2015 - year of the cow? -

[Hodor]

I don't think we've ever had a year quite like this in the history of net. To explain, so far this year has been non-stop happenings. Lolcow activity has been popping up with frequency- hell, I'd argue that Chris himself has been having a bit of a bump in activity since December.

We're seeing some crazy shit. Nick Bate is potentially going to face justice, absolutely ancient cows like Randi Harper are returning full blast. It's a great time to be a farmer or a /cow/boy.

The question is, what the hell is causing it? That's what I'm wondering. This is a really damn odd thing- it's like an absolute explosion in content. I can only guess that it partially has to do with Gamergate, since that's been more or less drawing huge amounts of spergs out of the woodwork (hell, look at Wu and Peter Coffin), but I don't think it's just that.

What do you guys think?

 

[L desu]

The stars are aligning, and everything is coming into place... Oh who am I kidding its just a good time to milk cows, and their milk is FLOWING.

 

[BT 075]

You can look at this in different ways. The way I see it, it's not all that positive really; DeagleNation is fake, Jace is an actor, and as the excitement wears off there's something of a deception. Chris may go to jail too or face some other forms of restriction, which would be the end of him as a Lolcow for a long time of not forever. Nick Bate may go to jail too, which I don't really give a fuck about because he's a disgusting human being.

That leaves us with GamerGate and Brianna Wu, both are really boring to me. Wu was only really funny for a little while when Jace was fucking her, but without Jace she's boring again. Marjan went stale. Tumblr is meh.

The year started super promising but we'll have to wait and see if it will stay that way. I kinda don't think so, but I would love to be proved wrong.

 

[Big Nasty]

Nick Bate is potentially going to face justice

Wut? Is he actually for reals going to get prosecuted, or is this just another round of "guise i called the fedsn n nick is totally gonna get partynvanned" talk?

 

[AP 297]

You can look at this in different ways. The way I see it, it's not all that positive really; DeagleNation is [Redacted]. Chris may go to jail too or face some other forms of restriction, which would be the end of him as a Lolcow for a long time of not forever. Nick Bate may go to jail too, which I don't really give a fuck about because he's a disgusting human being.

That leaves us with GamerGate and Brianna Wu, both are really boring to me. Wu was only really funny for a little while when Jace was fucking her, but without Jace she's boring again. Marjan went stale. Tumblr is meh.

The year started super promising but we'll have to wait and see if it will stay that way. I kinda don't think so, but I would love to be proved wrong.

Maybe we need to reevaluate our definition of Cow. Normally it has involved responding to trolling, being accessable, and being an idiot/morally bankrupt monster.

Gamergate and Brianna Wu may seem boring only because to reach them it takes more effort than say an internet youtuber or a tumblrista. It requires us as artists to be more creative in how we can exploit and draw responses from them. The best cows troll themselves. There are lots of publicity whores, lets examine how we can document and appreciate their willingness to be clowns for us all. I also think this forces us to reevaluate our definition of "trolls" or "trolling". I would argue now and the Jace[Redacted]. Also note that what we used to think of as trolling has evolved significantly. What was trolling or griefing 10 or even 5 years ago is now considered immature and juvenile.

I would argue that the farms has gotten too used to staples like Chris and Jace. There is a whole world of comedy waiting to be seen and documented.

Also note one other thing. This site has a lot more traffic and a lot more accessibility to google searches. If we were to document more public figures, there is a strong chance they may encounter our work. Our images and satirical artwork can be more public too. Making encounters with these figure a lot more likely.

2 years ago no one would have thought it was likely that a site like this would draw the anger of people who have been interviewed on CNN. Now Brianna hates this site and its existence. Think of who else could feel that way if we were to document them...

We already got cited by the SPLC. I would say this could be a year to redefine the farms.

 

[Surtur]

Maybe we need to reevaluate our definition of Cow. Normally it has involved responding to trolling, being accessable, and being an idiot/morally bankrupt monster.

Gamergate and Brianna Wu may seem boring only because to reach them it takes more effort than say an internet youtuber or a tumblrista. It requires us as artists to be more creative in how we can exploit and draw responses from them. The best cows troll themselves. There are lots of publicity whores, lets examine how we can document and appreciate their willingness to be clowns for us all. I also think this forces us to reevaluate our definition of "trolls" or "trolling". I would argue now and the Jace incident has proven it. We are really more like fans or participant spectators. Also note that what we used to think of as trolling has evolved significantly. What was trolling or griefing 10 or even 5 years ago is now considered immature and juvenile.

I would argue that the farms has gotten too used to staples like Chris and Jace. There is a whole world of comedy waiting to be seen and documented.

Also note one other thing. This site has a lot more traffic and a lot more accessibility to google searches. If we were to document more public figures, there is a strong chance they may encounter our work. Our images and satirical artwork can be more public too. Making encounters with these figure a lot more likely.

2 years ago no one would have thought it was likely that a site like this would draw the anger of people who have been interviewed on CNN. Now Brianna hates this site and its existence. Think of who else could feel that way if we were to document them...

We already got cited by the SPLC. I would say this could be a year to redefine the farms.

We got cited by the SPLC? When?

 

[SpessCaptain]

 

[Ariel]

We got cited by the SPLC? When?

http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2015/...eanings-charged-in-canadian-mass-murder-plot/

eta direct link

 

[Surtur]

http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2015/...eanings-charged-in-canadian-mass-murder-plot/

eta direct link

We are moving up in the world.

 

[Clown Doll]

Gamergate and Brianna Wu may seem boring only because to reach them it takes more effort than say an internet youtuber or a tumblrista.

Brianna Wu thrives on Twitter warrioring, which is one of the reasons why she's imo kinda boring : she puts out consistently some stupid victim drivel the same as Chris puts out whiny Facebook posts ; it's not at all difficult to get 'content' from Wu, on the contrary it's impossible for her to get to shut up. Some people enjoy Wu, I just couldn't get 'into' her.

What was trolling or griefing 10 or even 5 years ago is now considered immature and juvenile.

If this was at all true, a lot lolcow threads of people who made accounts to respond to us wouldn't consist of basically name-calling them endlessly to get them mad. Putting value judgments like "immature" or "juvenile" on certain trolling methods is begging a Rock war in a Glass house. Hey, it is what it is, I signed up for the site knowing what it was but there's absolutely no reason to pretend that we're like an Internet Aristocracy of trolling, it's 'tards laughing at other tards no bones about it.

I would argue that the farms has gotten too used to staples like Chris and Jace.

I disagree, the "household name" cows gave the site structure and formed the spine of the entire site culture because the established conventions came from years' worth of faux-pas(see : A-Logging, "weening").

There is a whole world of comedy waiting to be seen and documented.

Having 'big' cows doesn't mean that small cows can't be a thing. The big cows were big because there was/is a lot of content to them while small cows wax and wane. Hell, even 'big' cows do that, Moleman used to be big and have his own sub-forum, now he's in Spergatory, there were long periods of Chris inactivity but he had a resurgence.

If we were to document more public figures, there is a strong chance they may encounter our work.

This is not purely a good thing imo, if lolcows understand that they're being laughed at they either learn to hide their crazy better or they'll come over here at which point we can tell them in great detail how much better we are as people than them. I don't know how well that ends when people are already coming off as pathetic trollshielding themselves with an autistic man who shits his pants and does nothing. Direct interaction with us is making us look worse than simply documenting what kind of stupid shit people do. I understand that there are different methods that people want to enjoy their 'cows' with, but my personal opinion is that direct interaction with cows here muddies the documentation of them and in many cases is problematic in general.

 

[AP 297]

I can see you how you feel. We can disagree, and that is cool.

Brianna Wu thrives on Twitter warrioring, which is one of the reasons why she's imo kinda boring : she puts out consistently some stupid victim drivel the same as Chris puts out whiny Facebook posts ; it's not at all difficult to get 'content' from Wu, on the contrary it's impossible for her to get to shut up.

I would argue that Brianna is not really a warrior as much as an attention seeker who as we have seen really responds to people who disagree with her. She does this aggressively and often the result can be very funny when it backfires in her face. When she found out she got a restraining order and skipped a convention using the excuse that a fictious character was coming for her. Well that my friend was comedy gold!

Adding in the number of publications circling the wagons to defend themselves in a pathetic display of CYA. That was priceless!

If this was at all true, a lot lolcow threads of people who made accounts to respond to us wouldn't consist of basically name-calling them endlessly to get them mad. Putting value judgments like "immature" or "juvenile" on certain trolling methods is begging a Rock war in a Glass house. Hey, it is what it is, I signed up for the site knowing what it was but there's absolutely no reason to pretend that we're like an Internet Aristocracy of trolling, it's 'tards laughing at other tards no bones about it.

I would argue that requires us to re examine our methods. A lot of this happens. I will admit to being a party of it. Too often when some of these parties come to the site. We respond to them and they are in the act of trolling us. The Mooooo thread is a great example of this and so is marjan. The place where much of this departs is the research arm of things. In moooo's case we got his dick pix and a whole lot more. He will likely never want to come back to the site again. In Marjan's case, he has been documented and drawn out in ways that hurt him severely. If you read the wiki discussion, you will see a very different side to all of it. Now some members when they encounter him use quote boxes. They use his own words to damn him.

If you want an example of the immaturity I am talking about. Here read this and tell me your first response: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNUaZV8G_9ntqql0_lgFkTw/discussion

Many of these "trolls" are minors. I was not using value judgements as much as was arguing in fact that we look back at antics like this as things we did when we were kids.

I disagree, the "household name" cows gave the site structure and formed the spine of the entire site culture because the established conventions came from years' worth of faux-pas(see : A-Logging, "weening").

Having 'big' cows doesn't mean that small cows can't be a thing. The big cows were big because there was/is a lot of content to them while small cows wax and wane. Hell, even 'big' cows do that, Moleman used to be big and have his own sub-forum, now he's in Spergatory, there were long periods of Chris inactivity but he had a resurgence.

The big cows did provide an initial structure, but I would argue if we and the other sites do not change and adapt other methods of providing content from the exceptional in society. Than our supply of these forms of content will dwindle. People change and so will our staples. Chris has become paranoid and [Redacted]. They were valuable, but now they are gone and we must adapt to that. Small cows are always a risk and lately we have been very eager to cow almost anyone eccentric.

Our cows need to be content creators of their own. The desire of them to produce content from us to examine and laugh at has to be a requisite for us. Otherwise they will dry up again and again.

This is not purely a good thing imo, if lolcows understand that they're being laughed at they either learn to hide their crazy better or they'll come over here at which point we can tell them in great detail how much better we are as people than them. I don't know how well that ends when people are already coming off as pathetic trollshielding themselves with an autistic man who shits his pants and does nothing. Direct interaction with us is making us look worse than simply documenting what kind of stupid shit people do. I understand that there are different methods that people want to enjoy their 'cows' with, but my personal opinion is that direct interaction with cows here muddies the documentation of them and in many cases is problematic in general.

I concur that quite often we simply respond to people who come her and start arguments with us. It is why I think a set of unique protocols needs to be employed when this happens. The Mocking Marjan group while now somewhat dormant allowed us to pool resources and create threads that the subject did not get to see. We could gather information on several fronts without the subject being aware of what was happening. As he was jumping all over the place we were gathering info and picking him apart. The wiki also worked to do a lot of this. Ceph did a great job examining Marjan and his discoveries on this were invaluable. Each player had a role and each did their job.

The arguers drew marjan out and had him say stupid things. Dynastia got a lot of info from him and Ceph did some great research. The wiki extracted more content and the group made marjan paranoid while also helping the trolls to develop cohesion and attack marjan in more focused and calculated ways.

This whole experiment is creating content and examining people in a way that is very different from just placing mean comments on a youtubers wall.

 

[Clown Doll]

I can see you how you feel. We can disagree, and that is cool.

Thanks, I respect you taking the time to post a very thought-out response.

Brianna stuff.

Yeah, like I said, I'm not personally into her, but a lot of people are.

I would argue that requires us to re examine our methods.

I wouldn't say it's all bad(sans the trollshielding) but I think it's pointless to say one form of trolling is childish, when basically all 'trolling' is childish or at least, basically about making a tard rage, there's no way around that. The forum doesn't support trolling plans, but people visibly troll the cows constantly anyway so there's no site-wide agreement on any of it, it's all on a sliding scale.

The Mooooo thread is a great example of this and so is marjan. The place where much of this departs is the research arm of things. In moooo's case we got his dick pix and a whole lot more. He will likely never want to come back to the site again. In Marjan's case, he has been documented and drawn out in ways that hurt him severely.

Yeah, it's really hard to argue with results, lol, but different cows require a different approach and it sort of evolves naturally.

If you want an example of the immaturity I am talking about. Here read this and tell me your first response: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNUaZV8G_9ntqql0_lgFkTw/discussion

Many of these "trolls" are minors. I was not using value judgements as much as was arguing in fact that we look back at antics like this as things we did when we were kids.

Jace was teased with dick pics and wolf cum jokes until the very end, I fail to see where there's like a widespread "evolving" of trolling, people simply use whatever hot buttons that works on whichever particular lolcow. Each lolcow is more or less judged on it's own basis. Sending dicks to Jace was fine, sending dick pics to Kengle would be frowned upon, because of the established convention that Kengle doesn't work that way.

The big cows did provide an initial structure, but I would argue if we and the other sites do not change and adapt other methods of providing content from the exceptional in society. Than our supply of these forms of content will dwindle.

Despite the name "Kiwi Farms", we do not actually 'farm' Lolcows, lolcows are going to be a finite supply no matter what. You can have both quantity and quality, but only in the limits of how many lolcows there are(alternatively, how lax your standards you're willing to make for a lolcow) and how active they are. Chris spergs like me will discuss Chris because that's who we are famililar with and possibly can discuss better, the forums support more than one lolcow, that doesn't detract from the following of other lolcows if the site has a bunch of 'big ones'. I don't see why the site as a whole should function like a corporation that's dedicated to some hiveminded goal, you can have compartments following different lolcows without it having to detract from something else. I personally dislike Tumblrcows, but having a Tumblr board doesn't detract from what interests me personally on the site.

They were valuable, but now they are gone

I don't agree that Chris is gone, he's still doing more than many cows combined. Jace, jace has changed but he's still there,albeit in a changed form. Either way, it's all what the people want to discuss. I think that's a very important distinction here ; we're not a corporation rolling out a product line and everyone needs to get on board of that, it's more that people want to discuss certain lolcows and it's all gravitating the focus of the site naturally. The site lives in a constant state of change and whether we get a bountiful harvest this year or not is all up to the elements. Some worthwhile lolcows might have very long quiet periods because they're humans and they might have a resurgence later or not. Lolcow watching isn't constant fireworks, it has it's ups, it has it's downs regardless of what the watchers do.

I think a set of unique protocols needs to be employed when this happens. The Mocking Marjan group while now somewhat dormant allowed us to pool resources and create threads that the subject did not get to see.

I don't want rampant rules-lawyering and I don't think that all direct confrontation with lolcows is bad, not at all, but just saying that direct involvement with cows=/= good. If Marjan hadn't come on the site and people hadn't fucked with him in ways that aren't officially sanctioned, it would've been way less fun. However, it doesn't necessarily mean that cows knowing about us is always good. The Genie doesn't go back into the bottle, however, and we cannot scale back the "notoriety" of the site so debating that is kind of a moot point on my part.

 

[AP 297]

@Clown Doll

Thanks for responding. See your points and like them a lot. I too am not a lover of lots of rules. I guess rather than use the term protocols, I was really wanting to use the word tactics.

Everything has its place. I think though we should look at ourselves and examine what we are each good at so we can make the most of our threads and articles. Each of us produces something in our comments and responses.

Thanks for the great response!

 

[Trombonista]

2015 seems to be the year of the halal-cow.

 

[Joan Nyan]

I hate when people declare it the year of something after 2 months.

 

[obtuse]

I hate when people declare it the year of something after 2 months.

According to the Chinese, it's the year of the horse. That's still now stopping the cows from squirting in our faces.