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I'm English, and my sister is kind of in love with Hilary (Seriously, the other night while I was trying to sleep she practically barged in just to tell me that she had started reading her autobiography) so obviously I only hear good things about her. Reading this thread I'm beginning to think that maybe my sister doesn't really know what she's talking about. What is it about Hilary exactly that's off-putting?
She was one of the main cheer leaders for invading Iraq. The Republicans would probably like that about her, but it's the reason she wasn't an option for me in the 2008 Democratic Primary and the reason I wish she wasn't a shoe-in for the nomination this time.
 
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I'm English, and my sister is kind of in love with Hilary (Seriously, the other night while I was trying to sleep she practically barged in just to tell me that she had started reading her autobiography) so obviously I only hear good things about her. Reading this thread I'm beginning to think that maybe my sister doesn't really know what she's talking about. What is it about Hilary exactly that's off-putting?
The Clintons pioneered a strategy called "triangulation" which meant they would mix together policies/talking points from the left and the right when convenient to cobble together a majority. This would usually work for a while but eventually both sides would decide they were full of shit.
 

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Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT), a self-described socialist, will declare that he's seeking the Democratic nomination on Thursday.
 

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Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT), a self-described socialist, will declare that he's seeking the Democratic nomination on Thursday.

He'll never get it. He'll be fun in the primary debates but Clinton or Warren will crush him (probably Clinton).
 

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So, dumb question time - how can Sanders contest the Democratic nomination when he's not a Democrat? Are Democratic primaries open to candidates from outside the party? Or is he going to join the Democratic party for the sole purpose of seeking the nomination )(and if so, isn't he providing his opponents with a very easy attack angle?)

I mean I know he's not going to win and is just running in the hope of shifting the general agenda leftward, but I'm not sure how he's even able to run.
 

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So, dumb question time - how can Sanders contest the Democratic nomination when he's not a Democrat? Are Democratic primaries open to candidates from outside the party? Or is he going to join the Democratic party for the sole purpose of seeking the nomination )(and if so, isn't he providing his opponents with a very easy attack angle?)

I mean I know he's not going to win and is just running in the hope of shifting the general agenda leftward, but I'm not sure how he's even able to run.
Party registrations are handled on a state basis so technically none of the candidates running are registered Democrats in any of the primary states unless it happens to be their home state (i.e. Hillary Clinton is legally a Democrat only in New York, etc.). They will probably have to sign off on a form in each state saying they are a Democrat or identify with the party but there is no legal framework beyond that since Vermont's party registrations or lack thereof don't carry any water outside Vermont. Officially, the DNC doesn't care and will presumably let him keep any delegates he wins without registering with the party.
 

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So, dumb question time - how can Sanders contest the Democratic nomination when he's not a Democrat? Are Democratic primaries open to candidates from outside the party? Or is he going to join the Democratic party for the sole purpose of seeking the nomination )(and if so, isn't he providing his opponents with a very easy attack angle?)

I mean I know he's not going to win and is just running in the hope of shifting the general agenda leftward, but I'm not sure how he's even able to run.
US Representative Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the Chair of the Democratic National Committee, brought this up a few months ago. I think she said that they wouldn't open up the debates to him if he weren't a registered Democrat, but they can't really keep him off the ballot or anything.
 

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US Representative Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the Chair of the Democratic National Committee, brought this up a few months ago. I think she said that they wouldn't open up the debates to him if he weren't a registered Democrat, but they can't really keep him off the ballot or anything.
They could block him from a few debates, but the vast majority of them won't be sponsored by the DNC so they won't have any say in the matter. The ballot issue will be determined entirely on a state-by-state basis with no input from the national party.
 

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Party registrations are handled on a state basis so technically none of the candidates running are registered Democrats in any of the primary states unless it happens to be their home state (i.e. Hillary Clinton is legally a Democrat only in New York, etc.).

I know I've said this before, and will say it again, but... what a truly bizarre system. Thanks for explaining, nonetheless.
 

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They could block him from a few debates, but the vast majority of them won't be sponsored by the DNC so they won't have any say in the matter. The ballot issue will be determined entirely on a state-by-state basis with no input from the national party.
I'm talking about the primary debates. They haven't set up debate schedules or anything, really, for those yet, and the DNC, if they wanted, could set the criteria.
 

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I'm talking about the primary debates. They haven't set up debate schedules or anything, really, for those yet, and the DNC, if they wanted, could set the criteria.
Most of the primary debates will be held by local parties, newspapers/TV stations, universities, and civic groups in early primary states. If Bernie Sanders is a viable candidate he will be invited to attend by the hosts regardless of how much Wasserman Schultz wants to complain.
 

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Most of the primary debates will be held by local parties, newspapers/TV stations, universities, and civic groups in early primary states. If Bernie Sanders is a viable candidate he will be invited to attend by the hosts regardless of how much Wasserman Schultz wants to complain.
Yes, but they have the option of taking the same steps that the RNC did and stripping delegates, among other potential enforcement mechanisms. I don't necessarily see it happening, but, until they say so one way or the other, it's a possibility.
 

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As of this Tuesday, the Republican field will consist of: Ben Carson, Ted Cruz, Mark Everson (don't worry about him; he's nobody), Carly Fiorina, Mike Huckabee, Dennis M. Lynch (less of a nobody than Everson), Rand Paul, and Marco Rubio. Over the next few months, Jeb Bush, Chris Christie, Lindsey Graham, Bobby Jindal, Rick Santorum, and Scott Walker are expected to announce they're running. Potentially running are John Bolton, Bob Ehrlich, Jim Gilmore, John Kasich, Peter King, George Pataki, and Rick Snyder.

Likewise, the Democratic field will consist of Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders. Lincoln Chafee, Martin O'Malley, and Jim Webb will probably jump in at some point before August.

As for third parties and independents, there are a quite a few making bids or expected to make bids, but the most notable are: Roseanne Barr (Peace and Freedom Party), Gary Johnson (Libertarian Party), and Jill Stein (Green Party). The Constitution Party is actively trying to draft Steve Stockman to run, but I kind of doubt that they get him.
 

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Little left-wing side note:

My friends in Socialist Party USA haven't said anything to me about nominating a candidate for 2016 (likely since I'm no longer a member), but I am aware of a significant faction within the party that wants to endorse Sanders as a third-party candidate (some even if he goes Democrat). None of their previous candidates that I know of who are still with SPUSA are likely to run.
 

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Interestingly, typing this last post up made me go look for Dennis M. Lynch's platform again, and he appears to have removed his campaign site and deleted his Twitter and Facebook pages at some point in the past day. I may look around to see if he had some kind of campaign implosion (if you can call what he's running--he had to pay the NH GOP $10,000 just to go speak to them--a campaign).

What makes you say that?
That they're recruiting him, or that they probably won't get him? The fact that they're recruiting him has been going around several third party circles. I don't think they'll get him because Steve Stockman only runs for office if it can get something for Steve Stockman. Running as a third party candidate after getting laughed off of the national stage in 2014 when he ran for the US Senate (which I still believe was an attempt to both retire his campaign debt and collect an email list to sell) won't really get him much of anything. (If congressmen could be lolcows, Steve Stockman would be close to one.)

Little left-wing side note:

My friends in Socialist Party USA haven't said anything to me about nominating a candidate for 2016 (likely since I'm no longer a member), but I am aware of a significant faction within the party that wants to endorse Sanders as a third-party candidate (some even if he goes Democrat). None of their previous candidates that I know of who are still with SPUSA are likely to run.
There was some guy from Florida (Capone or something like that) who had talked about running, but I'm not sure if he still is.

EDIT: Lynch apparently withdrew today (I wonder what he's going to do with the money he mentioned...)

ANOTHER EDIT: Found both of these Twitter accounts, which have some interesting information on them. I figured he was just looking for a Fox show and to sell DVDs and books, but he was apparently taking it to an entirely different level. I wonder if he's too well known to be a lolcow...
 
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Little left-wing side note:

My friends in Socialist Party USA haven't said anything to me about nominating a candidate for 2016 (likely since I'm no longer a member), but I am aware of a significant faction within the party that wants to endorse Sanders as a third-party candidate (some even if he goes Democrat). None of their previous candidates that I know of who are still with SPUSA are likely to run.

I don't think America is in a place yet where the mainstream parties start to collapse and have to engage in coalition-building (which is what we're seeing in several European countries) so an independent running on a Democratic ticket is probably the closest thing they'll get (for now). Plus socialist is still a really dirty word in mainstream American politics, so it'll be interesting to see how Bernie "proletarian revolutionist" Sanders navigates that minefield.
 
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