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http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...ndependent_voted_against_gun_control_for.html
So, Bernie Sander has voted against gun control. That's a plus in my book, he'll respect my second amendment rights. Unless the gun grabber lobby gets to him.
I'm of the opinion that Sanders is trying to bring attention to issues ignored by "electable" politicians. He knows that being a self-proclaimed socialist makes him massively unpopular in some parts of the US.

That being said, I imagine lobbyists will ignore him on the grounds he's too much of a long-shot.
 

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That being said, I imagine lobbyists will ignore him on the grounds he's too much of a long-shot.

Which he could totally turn into a strength, if he plays his cards right.

The impression I get is that Sanders hopes to capitalise on the populist dissent behind Occupy and similar movements that keeps fizzling out for want of an actual objective.
 

Holdek

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I'm of the opinion that Sanders is trying to bring attention to issues ignored by "electable" politicians.

He and Ron Paul teamed up to promote auditing the Federal Reserve, IIRC. Talk about a team of opposites!

Yes, but they have the option of taking the same steps that the RNC did and stripping delegates, among other potential enforcement mechanisms. I don't necessarily see it happening, but, until they say so one way or the other, it's a possibility.
The DNC has said it will strip delegates from candidates participating in non-sanctioned debates (which has the added bonus to Hillary of giving her an out). The RNC has intimated that they will is well. Both parties want to prevent what happened with the Republicans in '12.

That they're recruiting him, or that they probably won't get him? The fact that they're recruiting him has been going around several third party circles. I don't think they'll get him because Steve Stockman only runs for office if it can get something for Steve Stockman. Running as a third party candidate after getting laughed off of the national stage in 2014 when he ran for the US Senate (which I still believe was an attempt to both retire his campaign debt and collect an email list to sell) won't really get him much of anything. (If congressmen could be lolcows, Steve Stockman would be close to one.)
I met him back in the '90s when he was considered an lolcow in Houston political circles. He was actually hooked up with militia types (might still be). He did eventually make it into Congress, though. Still, that's probably more an indictment of the state of our union than an endorsement of Steve Stockman.

I don't think America is in a place yet where the mainstream parties start to collapse and have to engage in coalition-building (which is what we're seeing in several European countries) so an independent running on a Democratic ticket is probably the closest thing they'll get (for now). Plus socialist is still a really dirty word in mainstream American politics, so it'll be interesting to see how Bernie "proletarian revolutionist" Sanders navigates that minefield.
An independent could run as an independent if he had a shit-ton of his own money to spend like Michael Bloomberg (and was serious about winning electoral votes, unlike Ross Perot).

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...ndependent_voted_against_gun_control_for.html
So, Bernie Sander has voted against gun control. That's a plus in my book, he'll respect my second amendment rights. Unless the gun grabber lobby gets to him.
So did Russ Feingold, the only member of the Senate to vote against the Patriot Act. Maybe it's an iconoclastic thing?
 
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As a liberal, I hate Hillary Clinton, but I hate anyone the Republicans are offering.

Still, Hillary Clinton is just another conservative in a liberal costume:

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/03/hillary-clinton-womens-rights-feminism/

Always accepting "the lesser of the 2 evils" is a horrible mindset for a voter.

Why vote for an evil at all??
I don't care if that sounds idealistic.

The only decent candidate who has a shot at the U.S. presidency is Bernie Sanders. If not, then I'm voting for Dr. Jill Stein again (Green Party).
 

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As a liberal, I hate Hillary Clinton, but I hate anyone the Republicans are offering.

Still, Hillary Clinton is just another conservative in a liberal costume:

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/03/hillary-clinton-womens-rights-feminism/

Always accepting "the lesser of the 2 evils" is a horrible mindset for a voter.

Why vote for an evil at all??
I don't care if that sounds idealistic.

The only decent candidate who has a shot at the U.S. presidency is Bernie Sanders. If not, then I'm voting for Dr. Jill Stein again (Green Party).
Anyone who's associated with someone who signed NAFTA into law (even though I'll also blame Reagan and his cronies for that one) or even Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act I'm going to think even less of and I don't give a shit if they're part of a party that I'd vote for.
 

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rand paul rand paul rand paul

I dig Rand. I think he would be a great PotUS and he seems to be one of the few in government who actually gives a fuck about the personal liberties of the US citizens. I'm sick of all these Big Government stooges like the Bushes, Clintons, Obamas, Romneys, McCains, and so on. I'm also sick of the fact that there aren't term limits for the rest of government like there is for the President. Part of the reason our country is so fucked up is because people become senators or congressmen and stay there for decades making bad policy.
 
As a Kanadian observing from the sidelines, I think Rand Paul would be a good pick for the repubs. Dems would be better off with Sanders on the fact that despite he might be a bit too left for the dems liking, he's probably the least likely to be corrupt like hillary.

Overall this is probably gonna be a very interesting election year for both US and Canada. Personally, as a conservative I'd be voting for rand given my pro-harper leanings. But we'll see how things go.
 

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I don't see how anyone could vote for Clinton and still feel good about themselves. She is one of the most corrupt people in US history. All she wants is power and those are the wrong kind of people to have in office.
lol anyone ever in politics wants power. Ideologues just want it to make the world exactly as they want. Romney was the one exception.
 

Queen of Tarts

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I lean toward the left side on the political spectrum, but from what I've seen of Hillary, I hope another Dem candidate beats her.

So long as a really conservative person or Sarah Palin (which is about as likely as the moon falling on earth) doesn't get elected, I'm pretty okay with it. There is a huge difference in social progress and social justice, though.
 

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lol anyone ever in politics wants power. Ideologues just want it to make the world exactly as they want. Romney was the one exception.

I disagree with Romney. He was/is every bit a Big Government, power hungry stooge as Clinton, Obama, McCain, and so on. In fact, the only real difference between Obama and Romney is Romney would have been better with the economy since he is a savy businessman. Other than that their political views are damn near lockstep.
 

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Ima get serious here.

Romney was the dude representing the mainstream politician. No one ever was passionate ever about him. every vote he had was a vote against someone else. I guess the joke was only funny to me. It happens.

On the topic of Rand, there's no reason to trust him, after his father sabotage his campaign for nomination in the last election. He'll compromise whatever ideal he has for whatever power and money he can, like everyone in DC. Like every election, no matter who wins, no difference. Romney was your only chance.
 
So apparently celebrities like Snoop Dogg are endorsing Hilary Clinton for 2016. Of course. I'm sure none of them even know what her beliefs are. The Dogg basically he's voting for her sorely because she's a woman. No wonder people outside of the US laugh/deride us. Our spokespeople for media/entertainment are so clueless.

I'm already seeing people (peers) and the media going crazy for Bernie Sanders. I don't know much about him but I already don't like him. A little close-minded I guess. I know many of you here probably aren't even near to the right, but I would like to see a candidate who at least shares some values of the right (less gov, stricter boarders, etc). Instead of the same middle in the road Republicans. A radical on either side as president sounds more interesting than the same bland Democrat or Republican . Walker seems to not have flip flopped in favor of RINOS or extreme moderates yet, so that's cool I suppose.

With the way things are going, if Walker (or Paul, but that may change) doesn't get nominated, I'm going Constitution. It won't make a difference, but at least I can be glad that I voted for a party that shares similar views. I'm done with the lesser of two evils crap. Which is what my Dad, a Republican, tells me to do when I vote. Both major parties are corrupt and lead to trouble if the "best" candidate isn't picked.

(Happy Memorial Day btw)
 
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