2017-08-25 - Vidar Viking Elvi: Do I have to pull the trigger on this one? -

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Do I have to pull the trigger on this one?

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On 08/25/2017 07:42 PM, BSV wrote:

The following message has been sent from BSV
<thoorogodin@gmail.com> (IP: 37.191.230.94) via the contact
form at Kiwi Farms

Dear kiwifarms

I work with minors, I have done for the last 3 years. I have been
through police vetting to have my job. And I have a clean record.
Brian Dunn has mental issues. He have clearly broken the rules no
matter what jurisdiction he is in.
He can't claim people is a pedophile without showing any evidence for
it. Nor claim that I am a pedophile on the internet just because they
decided to include Viki ng in their username.
Given my work situation I have to do something with this
I would really have liked to have had a peaceful solution to this.
But If I don't act I would have to forfeit my job, and any further job
offers in this business.
I would really hate to have to use time and resources on this.
If it's possible to just remove his posts from the thread with the
pedophile tag, all the other false information can stay.
And unless I get some trouble as a direct result of what he have
said/done I can leave him alone.
He is mentally deranged. And I don't think he understand what
devastation it's going to be for him if this is allowed to continue.
I genuinely don't think he sees the seriousness in this.
This is going to be intently worse then the "job e-mail"
I will get a lawyer on monday, to look in to it if you can't do
anything to help the situation
This is the very best I can offer,

I have not given him consent to publish any of my pictures or personal
information.
With Kind Regards
Vidar viking Elvigen
Sørkedalsveien 3b
0369 Oslo
Norway
+4790134736

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On 08/25/2017 08:10 PM, Null wrote:

I don't know how international court orders work and the Government of
Norway has no authority over me or the website.

Removing content arbitrarily is not something I can do without harming
the website and its credibility. Your presence on the forum, and your
continued contribution to the drama surrounding you, puts me into a
situation where I cannot discretely handle this situation. People would
notice. Considering you're threatening legal action which could
potentially involve me, deleting posts at this point might cause me
legal complications. The only option I have is to do nothing.

My advice would be to talk to your attorney. You will probably need to
regardless of what you want to do. Brian appears to be an American, so a
judgment in his state would have a dual-utility of damages (if granted)
and a court-order regarding the site (if granted). I would also suggest,
when asking the court for an order to remove content from the Internet
and from the Kiwi Farms, to keep the scope of the removal as narrow as
possible. If you somehow trick a judge to court order the entire KF (or
an unreasonable amount of it) to be removed, then I will have to
intervene, contest the court order, and probably escalate the issue to
federal courts.

US defamation definitions are very narrow but in your instance I believe
there may actually be substance for it. Brian has made a very poor
decision to write what he has on a verified account linked to his real
identity.

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On 08/26/2017 07:31 AM, Vidar Viking Elvigen wrote:

Dear Null.

I am not vindictive, and I can file such a suit in Norway. I'ts sort
of a think you can do internationally
the thing with it is that for the verdict to take effect in your
country it have to break American rules as well.
In that way an american insulting allah can't be held liable when he
is in America. Unless you have some blasphemy laws.
The irony of this is that I have given you information that the
content is breaking the rules.
Bryan have postet pictures of me, that is not "public domain" And he
have posted Wrongful, and hurtful information, so you are in fact more
liable now. Since I have told you, and you refused to listen.
I am not out to get you. I actually have some respect for you. Believe
it or not. You are not the one that have mental issues. Brian Dunn is.
I have been in contact with the police about him previously, and I
have to take whatever rigmarole of what criminal over the line stuff
here. In regards to threats and physical violence.
I just thought I wouldn't unnecessary hurt the guy. What I did
contacting his work was just to send him a warning. Don't push me any
further. You can't break in real life laws just to fuck with me.
However he interpreted this as some me out to get him, and escalation
of the issue. Even though I haven't actually broken any rules, he is
the one pushing it further.
Just take a good hard look at the situation, and who I am. I am just
some DSP whiteknight that tries to do something kind. I haven't done
anything malevolent.
Just take the issue with his wife/girlfriend/ex whatever their status
is. He said I threatened to rape her. And for some reason told her
about it too. So she came to me all upset. I am actually gay, or
bisexual. I have had GF, but I am more attracted to guys honestly.
Well I explained this to her. And we actually became on good terms.
Sarah Is actually a really cool person.
We do have some common interests, let me just put it like that.
Maybe this also was something Bryan saw as provoking. I have no
fucking Idea. But just banning the troll from chat, he attributed to
being me, would have fixed the issue. (I later found out who the troll
was too and he hadn't claimed to be me)

I just in general used to lurk much more on the internet. Not
interacting that much with people at all. Maybe I would pop in to a
streamchat once in a while. But I was in general very reserved. Not
taking part in any communities, or forums before I got involved with
DSP. I have read a little on kiwifarms too. Shit I used to be so much
in to chris chan. Just following him, not actively participating with
stuff. So I haven't been unfamiliar with kiwifarms.
I always find it fun to watch eccentrics. nut cases, autist and the
such. Everyone likes a good sideshow. And they can REEE themselves to
they lose their voice, and it's still funny. Because "sadly" they have
usually just uploaded their own antics. And even when they would
send in the police, army, and anyone in their power to get something
done. They have not got the resources or the mental capacity to
achieve anything.
This have actually given me an idea of some funny internet justice
thing, I might invest some time in to. But that is besides the point.
What I am telling you is, I am not that kind of an individual. If you
think that I am a moron, you have just listened to the wrong people
lying about me. I am resourceful, and methodical.
I know the best way to get rid of internet drama is just to ignore,
however I don't give a fuck if some trolls on the internet laugh at
me. I can be meta enough that I can laugh of myself if it is fun, or
goofy. And like I have said I am not vindictive.
Someone who is really vindictive is Bryan.
He is an insane Narcissist and he is just planing to try to grind me
harder. Because when he isn't shut down but encouraged he will just
make things worse. Honestly you would think that moderation is to
protect someone weak that is being bullied. That is what it usually
does.
But in this case it's about protecting the aggressor from doing
unbelievably stupid shit.
I don't know, maybe this is something you want. The excitements with
lawsuits and legal action.
Because not putting the restraints on Bryan and allowing him to be
trolled, and encouraged to escalate his madness is going to lead down
that route.
And in someway you are in fact responsible. Because you are
encouraging a madman.
You sell the guns, and what people might use them for is not your
trouble. And I get that. But when a psychotic person comes in, and
buys a gun and starts shooting innocent people, and you keep on
selling guns and ammunition to him. I am sure the insane crowd
cheering him on would see you as ruining their fun if you would stop
him, But the legal system wouldn't
That was a really bad analogy. But I couldn't think of anyhting better.
I don't think you are afraid of any legalities. Because from the cases
I have seen in Norway, the site is not held responsible for taking
something criminal/illegal down. It's the reluctance to do so with the
knowledge that it is bad that would get you in trouble, with fines and
what not.
But we are not even at the point where I have contacted a lawyer.
Their offices don't open until Monday. I just wouldn't approach a
lawyer randomly. Those guys are not cheap. And I would have to pay
them to help me to just prepare for what is to come, so it's best that
I am prepared.
I honestly kind of like you. You seem to be a smart person that is not
reckless. I honestly would rather be your supporter, then being forced
in to some god awful expensive legal bullshit. With an unknown outcome.
And if you would shut down that Narcissist psychopath that is literary
trying to ruin my life. I would appreciate it. And you would most
definitely have my support.

With Kind Regards
Vidar viking Elvigen
Sørkedalsveien 3b
0369 Oslo
Norway
+4790134736 <tel:%2B4790134736>

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On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 5:49 PM, Null wrote:

I am not mediating your interpersonal feud.

Sent from Blue

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On 08/26/2017 12:24 PM, Vidar Viking Elvigen wrote:

Dear Mr. Moon

What kind of response is that? I don't even understand it. I have to
say that I am really disappointed. I didn't even ask for any mediation.
You are the administrator of a site that allows very compromising and
knowingly false information to be posted about me. By a person that
have committed criminal offences against me in the past. Not only
Libel and slander, but credible threats of violence.
I am not asking you to be a mediator, but to take my side in this.
Because I am a victim of offences committed against me. You are
facilitating him possibly ruining my work carrier, and reputation Was
that clearer?

With Kind Regards
Vidar viking Elvigen
Sørkedalsveien 3b
0369 Oslo
Norway
+4790134736

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On 08/26/2017 07:31 AM, Mr. Moon wrote:

Are you trying to scare me by changing your address line from "Null" to
"Moon"?

I am now instructing you not to contact me. If you continue to harass
me, I will be forced to report you to your local authorities and/or your
Internet service provider.

I will be reposting these emails in your thread so that the community at
large may benefit from recognizing your attempts at intimidation. I am
not obligated to do anything for you and you've hemorrhaged my
patience. Contact your attorney.

Do not threaten me.
 
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On 08/26/2017 12:24 PM, Vidar Viking Elvigen wrote:

OK i will just drop formalities then. The Mr.Moon thing is something
that is meant to be formal, and polite, not intimidating. It's how I
learned to write them to people you don't know. That is also Why i
include my other contact information. It's not threats, and
absolutely not harassment. If you can't recognize formal/informal I
feel a bit sorry for you. And now you are disappointing me even further.
I thought you where much smarter then this.
In fact you are the one threatening me. I just made clear what the
actual formalities are.
If that is seen as a threat, maybe something is wrong? You ever think
about that? I was just asking for your help.
I did not expect to get such an erratic response what so ever.
People with any sense of formalities would easy recognize that.
Sorry you are viewing it like this. But I have had training in being
formal and polite. Why you are treating me as dirt for it I don't know.

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On 08/26/2017 01:38 PM, Mr. Moon wrote:

You have been instructed to stop contacting me. I am not saying this as
a joke. You are not permitted to contact me in any way.

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On 08/26/2017 01:38 PM, Vidar Viking Elvigen wrote:

Yeah, and good going just blatantly posting personal communication
like that, if you would have asked me, I would have said it was fine.
Because I haven't done anything but being nice and polite with you.
FYI I am not WhaleKermin If your that good with ISP and IP's you could
probably see that he is from another place Long away from me. But that
doesn't matter right?
It's just fun when a friend of me pranks me, but I have to say, You
surprise me with your malevolence.
Have a nice day

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On 08/26/2017 01:39 PM, Mr. Moon wrote:

This is your final warning. Do not reply to this email.
 

Sergeant Politeness

Pitiful, laughable, once again silent
True & Honest Fan
kiwifarms.net
I would also suggest, when asking the court for an order to remove content from the Internet and from the Kiwi Farms, to keep the scope of the removal as narrow as possible. If you somehow trick a judge to court order the entire KF (or an unreasonable amount of it) to be removed, then I will have to intervene, contest the court order, and probably escalate the issue to federal courts.
Under a court order, what's the maximum amount of shit you'd be willing to take off the site before you contest it? I'm curious now.
 

Null

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Under a court order, what's the maximum amount of shit you'd be willing to take off the site before you contest it? I'm curious now.
Anything more than individual posts or parts / parts of the wiki / parts of the OP / thread subtitles / thread tags I'd oblige with soft-deletes and then file an appeal. I'd only delete entire threads if the person is completely and totally misidentified and/or is a minor.
 

David Davidson

kiwifarms.net
BSV's entire threat sounds like DSP. "MUH SLANDER, MUH LIABLE"

Seriously if you post dump shit about yourself on the internet, expect it to get leaked out. The fucking forum signup says so ya dingus.

You aren't some clever mastermind, you just got baited by KoP at every given instance and kept saying more and more dumb shit. Don't take this out on the fucking website you decided to post on and make things worse for yourself.
 

AckAckAckAck

kiwifarms.net
BSV's entire threat sounds like DSP. "MUH SLANDER, MUH LIABLE"

Seriously if you post dump shit about yourself on the internet, expect it to get leaked out. The fucking forum signup says so ya dingus.

You aren't some clever mastermind, you just got baited by KoP at every given instance and kept saying more and more dumb shit. Don't take this out on the fucking website you decided to post on and make things worse for yourself.
But when Bryan's work gets called because he wore a company logo like an idiot, you guys cry about it.
 

Null

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But when Bryan's work gets called because he wore a company logo like an idiot, you guys cry about it.
Who is "you guys"? When I got to the point where he's apologizing to being a dick to some kid I don't even fucking know my eyes glazed over and I stopped reading. That's why my reply was simply "I am not mediating your interpersonal feud": because I don't care. The circumstances around this are completely and totally irrelevant to me; stop emailing me about it.
 
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