2019-10-19 - Australian eSafety: Banned in Australia -

[Ineedahero]

But here's the thing: I've lived in Australia my whole life, so how come I'm not affected by any of this bullshit I keep hearing about?

As @redcent alluded to, if you had tried joining prior to September you would have needed a VPN to access the site, but for some reason recently the major telcos stopped blocking the farms. And now this. It's very odd.

 

[MrTickles]

First off: I don't believe for a single second that fucking China of all places is so peaceful that a young girl never in her life has to worry about being raped. Your saying that like it just doesn't happen, but I guarantee it absolutely happens.

Second: "Nanny"

Are you trying to say that there are ways to "govern" a country correctly by passing laws that will protect it's citizens from crime and discourage people from breaking said laws with threat of fines and jailtime enforced by highly trained police officers?

No fucking shit sherlock!

The UK, Sweden, and soon Australia are passing too many laws that hinder it's citizens freedom and make everyday life a hassle, much more than it protects them?

Again, no fucking shit.

If that's your idea of a "nanny state," then we already have that, and it's much better than your "nanny state" because I can openly call my lawmakers all stupid cunts and call a man in a dress and wig a faggot on the internet and not have to deal with the police at my door. You can't do that in China, you can't do that in England, and very soon you won't be able to do that in Australia, at least without being behind a VPN that is. If you still find no problem with that, then I don't know what to tell you, buddy.

I promise you that the rising rape rates in Western Europe would not be remedied by more effective state surveillance. Tyrone gives absolutely no thought to the consequences of his actions when he sees a pretty white girl walking home at night and drags her into the bushes for some cultural enrichment. He just acts on his impulses.

You could have a 100% closure and conviction rate with a guaranteed death penalty, but as long as the genetic trash is flooding into Europe, rape rates will continue to soar.

You're both not getting it. Even though you don't need a vpn to visit baidu or youku or wechat, you still won't visit it because you don't speak fucking Mandarin.. Similarly Chinese don't care for youtube, facebook etc because they have alternatives in Mandarin. So that's a redundant argument entirely. Let go of it. Facebook is shit. Youtube is shit. Normie shit for normies.

As for the archetypal Tyrone, Guangzhou has 100,000 Nigerians. Not a peep. Not a fucking single rape or violent crime. Why? Because Tyrones in China should they even dare chimp out would be crushed, killed then destroyed, with their organs conserved for better individuals and it would be televised on public television as it happened. Not sent off with a slap on the wrist or a merry go round at a revolving door hotel/prison like they do in the west. And everybody knows this. And it works.

 

[Twinkie]

As for the archetypal Tyrone, Guangzhou has 100,000 Nigerians. Not a peep. Not a fucking single rape or violent crime. Why? Because Tyrones in China should they even dare chimp out would be crushed, killed then destroyed, with their organs conserved for better individuals and it would be televised on public television as it happened. Not sent off with a slap on the wrist or a merry go round at a revolving door hotel/prison like they do in the west. And everybody knows this. And it works.

That's... not how a "nanny state" works or is ever going to work in the West though, which is what you or whomever it was was arguing for when they were crowing about the low crime rate.

 

[Failure_Personified]

Whoa whoa whoa, hold up here. "Promotes, incites, or instructs in"? Did I miss another meeting or something? If so, it sounds like it would have been rad to attend.

so if I'm understanding this correctly... the shooting itself promotes, incites or instructs... did they watch the same video I did?

 

[Vlinny-kun]

You're both not getting it. Even though you don't need a vpn to visit baidu or youku or wechat,

It's because that shit was specifically made by the chinese and therefore applies chinese law to it's site, so of course they're going to use it. However, your going to need a VPN for quite literally everything else. Just take a look at this website. Anything that doesn't tow the party line is censored. I'm actually suprised kiwifarms is still allowed, for now.

As for the archetypal Tyrone, Guangzhou has 100,000 Nigerians. Not a peep. Not a fucking single rape or violent crime.

You are going to be suprised to here that, 100k, in a country with billions of people, is small talk. Fuck, that's low numbers even for the US.

Also, apparently China does have a rape problem. They just never go reported or the chinese government steps in and takes the shit down so that they would look good. Of course you would deny it because you're a commie shill.
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/opinion/2014-07/28/content_17942252.htm
https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...-victims-hollywood-first-person-a8031436.html
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/5050/question-of-rape-in-china/

 

[2nd_time_user]

I'm American, and when I see reports like this, I go to an "objectionable" site to see if it'll come up. My favorite for this purpose is Stormfront--even though they would never accept me personally nor do I seek acceptance from them, it's not personal for me in the way censorship is.

I'm on w10x64 going through Chrome with default search set to duckduckgo. On entering the url in the address field, it resolved but the page was blank. I then searched "stormfront" directly from the address field, and received results from the various public subforums that resolved.

Suspicious, I then brought up Edge, which I have kept to default. It uses Bing by default. I put stormfront.org in the address field, and it resolved with content too.

I just now found this and can't say if it's Chrome or not. But any search engine, any browser, any platform and any ISP can disable anything they feel like. And I suppose for VPNs they could do this too. It's not just government surpressing free speech.

 

[TotallyAChick]

No guns, no violent video games, no internet freedom. Australia is a sad, sad pit of depression.

One would think that when you're surrounded with spiders, snakes, 90% of your flora and fauna is trying to get you- the least your government can do is allow you to vent and shit post on a forum. Like, even cycling can be dangerous because those magpies are out for blood; compared to that, how dangerous is talking about an attack? I don't think anyone was endorsing it, we were merely criticizing slow New Zealand police as far as I know.

 

[repentance]

I don't think anyone was endorsing it, we were merely criticizing slow New Zealand police as far as I know.

The 8 sites are blocked for hosting the video and/or manifesto, not for the nature of discussions about the shooting. It's a stupid situation because sites which are actually celebrating the shooting and encouraging more are not banned as long as they're not hosting that content.

 

[COOW]

Not a peep. Not a fucking single rape or violent crime. Why? Because Tyrones in China should they even dare chimp out would be crushed, killed then destroyed [...] And it works.

A classic chimp out. In China. Prompted by the death of one of their co-ethnics while in police custody.

Tell us, you mendacious mongoloid, does the scene above square with your fiction of a group of rational actors cowed by the threat of execution?

 

[Spoonge]

I hate what Australia has turned into these past few decades. I really, really hate it. I hate the government. I hate the economy and how expensive shit is here. I hate the gun laws. I hate the boomers that just wont fucking die and stop fucking the real estate market. I hate the fact we keep bending over for China. I hate how incompetent everyone around here seems to be. I hate all the immigrants that we just keep letting in. And yet I cant leave because the people I give a damn about are here.

At least I still have VPNs to let me pretend that I'm actually American.

 

[Ineedahero]

so if I'm understanding this correctly... the shooting itself promotes, incites or instructs... did they watch the same video I did?

When an Aussie sees another Aussie do something on camera he instinctively thinks 'This dopey cunt is fucking this right up, I could have done a much better job' no matter what they are doing so yes, the shooting itself promotes, incites and instructs.

 

[Pointless Pedant]

It's because that shit was specifically made by the chinese and therefore applies chinese law to it's site, so of course they're going to use it. However, your going to need a VPN for quite literally everything else. Just take a look at this website. Anything that doesn't tow the party line is censored. I'm actually suprised kiwifarms is still allowed, for now.


You are going to be suprised to here that, 100k, in a country with billions of people, is small talk. Fuck, that's low numbers even for the US.

Also, apparently China does have a rape problem. They just never go reported or the chinese government steps in and takes the shit down so that they would look good. Of course you would deny it because you're a commie shill.
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/opinion/2014-07/28/content_17942252.htm
https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...-victims-hollywood-first-person-a8031436.html
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/5050/question-of-rape-in-china/

Absolutely. Rapes don't get reported often in most countries, especially when committed by powerful people, which they often are. Even more so in dictatorships with no accountability. At least we can talk about the Epstein scandal without getting arrested for it.

The PRC does have relatively low levels of street crime but it's not zero. Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea are pretty similar and aren't dictatorships.

 

[MrTickles]

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A classic chimp out. In China. Prompted by the death of one of their co-ethnics while in police custody.

Tell us, you mendacious mongoloid, does the scene above square with your fiction of a group of rational actors cowed by the threat of execution?

They're raging pathetically and ineffectively at police, not a single Chinese civilian was hurt and zero sympathy was garnered. In the Us they would be commandeering neighborhoods and terrorizing white people for days/weeks while politicians heap praise on them.

Those chimps, after their once in a blue moon chimp-out don't exist in China anymore. Not they nor their families or associates. Meanwhile in Chicago...

You showed me a picture of what is possibly the only chimp riot in chinese history and are trying to pass it off as the norm. My point still stands.

The only dangerous element are the small minority of Uighur savages, but they're being dealt with as we speak.

Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea are pretty similar and aren't dictatorships.

One has the population of shanghai (Taiwan) and is not even a recognized country, one has the population of the Guangdong bay area and is partially run from washington (SK), and one is directly controlled by the US military (Japan). Poor choices to compare against a real, independent country. But yes..they do have similar crime rates per capita, because they are part of the same sinosphere/culture.

 

[mr.moon1488]

Absolutely. Rapes don't get reported often in most countries, especially when committed by powerful people, which they often are. Even more so in dictatorships with no accountability. At least we can talk about the Epstein scandal without getting arrested for it.

The PRC does have relatively low levels of street crime but it's not zero. Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea are pretty similar and aren't dictatorships.

I kinda question that low street crime level though. They actually have about half the number of cops per citizen that we do, and if their police are more concerned with dissident activity than they are routine patrolling, that could indicate they have a major dark figure of crime rate.


Side note: Communist dictatorships have been known to understate criminal activity... (Chikatilo)

 

[Pointless Pedant]

I kinda question that low street crime level though. They actually have about half the number of cops per citizen that we do, and if their police are more concerned with dissident activity than they are routine patrolling, that could indicate they have a major dark figure of crime rate.


Side note: Communist dictatorships have been known to understate criminal activity... (Chikatilo)

The USA has a lot of cops because it has a lot of criminals to deal with. The PRC probably has fewer criminals per capita so they don't need as many cops to deal with them.

The USSR did have a very large number of criminals, especially towards the end, but anecdotally there isn't much serious street crime in most cities in the PRC. I wouldn't trust their government issued statistics though.

 

[2nd_time_user]

First, the Aus letter implies KF is hosting the content, but KF only had the live video up for 48 hours or so. Since then it's been on a torrent that was published here that's been buried under seven months of site content. If anyone could even find it now, it's not even clear how many seeds there'd be now. But still, it's been not on KF directly but in the wild and out of KF's control.

Second, the ban appears to put the onus on Internet providers. With VPNs going mainstream, packaging with Symantec products etc., it wouldn't surprise me to see them restricting connections to "safe countries" to not get a major country angry. But again, that can be easily circumvented with VPNs who don't keep logs on users -- or Tor network.

 

[Dork Of Ages]

First, the Aus letter implies KF is hosting the content, but KF only had the live video up for 48 hours or so. Since then it's been on a torrent that was published here that's been buried under seven months of site content. If anyone could even find it now, it's not even clear how many seeds there'd be now. But still, it's been not on KF directly but in the wild and out of KF's control.

Second, the ban appears to put the onus on Internet providers. With VPNs going mainstream, packaging with Symantec products etc., it wouldn't surprise me to see them restricting connections to "safe countries" to not get a major country angry. But again, that can be easily circumvented with VPNs who don't keep logs on users -- or Tor network.

I'd agree with you there, but Null actually has the video (and the manifesto) attached in his original post of the shooting footage.
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/brent...-in-new-zealand-livestreams-from-gopro.54323/

 

[Giant Kozaky]

I found this out here, my isp banned the site after Christchurch. 2 minutes of effort beats however much was wasted on their filters

 

[2nd_time_user]

I'd agree with you there, but Null actually has the video (and the manifesto) attached in his original post of the shooting footage.
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/brent...-in-new-zealand-livestreams-from-gopro.54323/

The video itself goes to a torrent, though. He's posting a link to it that could be replicated easily on darknet or for that matter clearnet.

 

[Giovanni]

To be fair, I can see how an aspiring terrorist might watch the video, note that the shooter went utterly unopposed by any form of law enforcement for more than half an hour, and decide to go through with it. I can see how he'd be encouraged by the video showing that Australian emergency response is so slow that I can only assume they were all making pot pies at the time and wanted to finish before heading out. And I can absolutely understand how the video and subsequent backlash would make this high-score-contender relieved that, in the aftermath of such an attack, the government would be far more concerned about censoring records of the assault than doing literally anything to stop the spread of his ideology.

If there was a video of MY complete and utter incompetence getting literally dozens of people killed, I'd want it hidden from the public eye, too.