2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Trump vs. Biden

Who is the best choice for President of the United States in 2020?


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Wh-- Seriously? After everything that happened during the Ferguson riots and that utter, lying hack who pushed that "Hands up, don't shoot!" crap you're still going to try and pretend that Michael Brown's death was completely unprovoked? Michael Brown assaulted a store owner, robbed a store, assaulted a police officer and attempted to take his gun and was shot as a result. He was not innocent.



Does anyone remember this guy, Shawn Parcells? He was the "Forensic Pathologist Expert" who showed up in Ferguson and shoe-horned his way into the case, eventually winding up on a nationally-televised press conference to promote that in his "expert" opinion, Brown was standing still, and was shot in the back while his hands were up in the air.

You know the problem with that? Shawn Parcells isn't a forensic examiner. He lied. He isn't "Professor Shawn Parcells." Parcells has never been on the faculty of any college or university anywhere. All of it was a lie, he pulled every single bit of it straight out of his ass and nobody in the media bothered to check his credentials or research his Ph.D or ask so much as a single question. They took him at his word, shoved him up on the stage and let him slam down one rubber stamp after another to fuel the outrage and push a lie, resulting in the town getting mangled because no one in the media did a second's worth of homework.

And now Warren's trying to push this like none of that ever happened. You have to be fucking kidding me.
 

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Biden at it again...

Biden Says He Was Vice President During Parkland Shooting
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...s-vice-president-during-the-parkland-shooting

Joe Biden said he was vice president when the deadly high school shooting in Parkland, Florida, took place. Except, it happened in 2018, more than a year after he left office -- the latest gaffe by the Democratic presidential front-runner.

Biden told reporters in Iowa on Saturday that “those kids in Parkland came up to see me when I was vice president.” But when they visited Capitol Hill to talk with members of Congress, lawmakers were “basically cowering, not wanting to see them. They did not want to face it on camera.”

The former vice president was making a point about the changing conversation around gun violence in this country, and how as more and more ordinary people are touched by mass shootings, they are more likely to call for action.

An official with the Biden campaign said the former vice president was thinking of the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, when he misspoke. That attack, in which 20 children between six and seven years old were killed along with six staff members, was in December 2012.

Survivors of the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School shooting in Parkland, Florida, made national headlines for their demonstrations and calls for action, including visits by some students to the nation’s capital. The shooting, the deadliest high school killing spree in U.S. history, occurred on Feb. 14, 2018, and left 17 dead and injured more than a dozen others. The assailant was an expelled student.

Biden, along with former Representative Gabrielle Giffords, an Arizona Democrat who was shot in the head during an event with constituents in Tucson in 2011, met with Stoneman students in Washington days after the 2018 incident.

The statement was the latest in a string of gaffes that have plagued Biden on the campaign trail. On Thursday, Biden, 76, told a group of Asian and Hispanic voters that “poor kids are just as bright” as white children. And last week he referred to mass shootings in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio, as having taken place in Houston and Michigan.

In both cases he quickly caught himself. And on Saturday Biden told reporters he misspoke on his “poor kids” comment but said that overall, people understood the point he was trying to make.

“I don’t think anybody thinks I meant anything other than what I said I meant,” Biden said.

President Donald Trump, who’s spending the weekend at his golf club in Bedminster, New Jersey, was quick to seize on Biden’s blunder. He said on Twitter that the former vice president “doesn’t have a clue.”

Donald J. Trump

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Joe Biden just said, “We believe in facts, not truth.” Does anybody really believe he is mentally fit to be president? We are “playing” in a very big and complicated world. Joe doesn’t have a clue!
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The stupid things that come out of his dementia-ridden mouth would certainly make for a good campaign run if he went against Tramp, certainly.
I would love to watch Trump eviscerate him on the debate stage. I think I've seen the theory thrown around on here that Biden would skip the debates if he gets the nomination. I wouldn't blame him if he did.
 
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Any college football fans remember Lou Holtz's last few years at ESPN where he was clearly slipping into the throes of dementia and it was just uncomfortable for everybody? Because I'm getting those vibes from Biden
TBH if Biden isn't somehow benefiting from being Harris' easy target in every debate then his campaign staffers are probably flirting with elderly abuse charges letting him into the public arena.
I'll echo @Ruin's sentiment that he sounds very much like my late grandfather towards the end, right down to the really petty attempts at looking macho and flexing his masculinity.
 

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As I mentioned earlier in this thread, Yang is beta. Anyone who thought he had a chance was incredibly out of touch with American politics. It takes a certain personality type to succeed at Presidential campaigning and Yang doesn't fit that profile. Policy specifics really don't matter that much when it comes to elections. The vast majority of voters care more about presentation and a 'feeling' that a candidate will align with their values, not the minute details of some policy proposal or another.
 

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As I mentioned earlier in this thread, Yang is beta. Anyone who thought he had a chance was incredibly out of touch with American politics. It takes a certain personality type to succeed at Presidential campaigning and Yang doesn't fit that profile. Policy specifics really don't matter that much when it comes to elections. The vast majority of voters care more about presentation and a 'feeling' that a candidate will align with their values, not the minute details of some policy proposal or another.
Lol, why is the nippa crying?
 

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Any college football fans remember Lou Holtz's last few years at ESPN where he was clearly slipping into the throes of dementia and it was just uncomfortable for everybody? Because I'm getting those vibes from Biden
Oh yeah, I totally see the comparison. Poor Joe just doesn't seem like he's all there upstairs.
 

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Bernie has no new ideas
The trouble with Bernie is health care and student debt is all well and good, but there's a bigger fight going on at the moment, this is a battle literally over the very existence of the United States as we know it.

The health care debate seems downright dated and quaint in 2019, when we have extremists marching and chanting "no borders, no wall, no USA at all", we got bigger fish to fry at the moment.

And Bernie is part of the left, I wouldn't even consider voting for him unless he disavowed the extremist elements of the left, same as they want Trump to disavow white supremacists.



Wh-- Seriously? After everything that happened during the Ferguson riots and that utter, lying hack who pushed that "Hands up, don't shoot!" crap you're still going to try and pretend that Michael Brown's death was completely unprovoked? Michael Brown assaulted a store owner, robbed a store, assaulted a police officer and attempted to take his gun and was shot as a result. He was not innocent.


Does anyone remember this guy, Shawn Parcells? He was the "Forensic Pathologist Expert" who showed up in Ferguson and shoe-horned his way into the case, eventually winding up on a nationally-televised press conference to promote that in his "expert" opinion, Brown was standing still, and was shot in the back while his hands were up in the air.

You know the problem with that? Shawn Parcells isn't a forensic examiner. He lied. He isn't "Professor Shawn Parcells." Parcells has never been on the faculty of any college or university anywhere. All of it was a lie, he pulled every single bit of it straight out of his ass and nobody in the media bothered to check his credentials or research his Ph.D or ask so much as a single question. They took him at his word, shoved him up on the stage and let him slam down one rubber stamp after another to fuel the outrage and push a lie, resulting in the town getting mangled because no one in the media did a second's worth of homework.

And now Warren's trying to push this like none of that ever happened. You have to be fucking kidding me.
It's creepy how Orwellian it all is, reality doesn't matter, only the narrative does.

The fact that she would really want to pick at that scab again half a decade later is bullshit.
 

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It would be agonizingly ironic if it actually happened, too, and they repeatedly literally the same mistake they made with Bernie and caused all of the outraged potential Yang voters to start casting protest votes to Trump just to spite the DNC. Again.
The DNC is insane, yes. At this rate I don't think they'll learn from their mistakes for another decade, honestly.
 

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The DNC is insane, yes. At this rate I don't think they'll learn from their mistakes for another decade, honestly.
If they lose 2020, it will devastate the DNC and if they lose a lot of seats in the 2022 Midterms, it may force them to rethink their strategy and policy.

If Trump wins in 2020 and the Squad get voted out of office in 2022, then I think the Democratic Party will slowly drift back to some degree of normalcy.

Right now the Democrats are listening to a very loud vocal minority of coastal elites and whiny Millennial hipsters, and if they lose in 2020 and 2022, then expect a restructuring of the DNC and changes in their party platform.

If Trump gets reelected in 2020 and AOC gets booted in 2022, then the DNC should learn their lesson and try to move on.

It happened the last time the Democrats pushed leftist agendas.

Back in the 70's and early 80's, the Democrats were moving farther to the left than ever. Hell, there were even liberal moral guardians back then as well, namely Tipper Gore and Joe Lieberman.

After Carter lost in 1980 and Walter Mondale suffered the most humiliating defeat in American electoral history, the DNC reformulated their plan and they went with the moderate populist approach of Bill Clinton.

Hell, the Republican Party underwent a similar trajectory in the late 2000's and early 2010's. After the 2012 Election and the implosion of the Tea Party movement shortly after, the Republicans began to shift away from pandering to Neocons and the Religious Right.

They took a more populist approach with Donald Trump. The GOP were hoping to get Jeb Bush or Ted Cruz on the ticket but both of them floundered. Trump became the nominee because he was the only candidate with popular support, and the Republicans were in the election to win it.

Over time, the Republican Party has shifted away from being the stuffy Evangelical moral guardians they were in the 1990's and 2000's, at least on the national level. There's still state-level politicians in the Bible Belt who run on that type of platform and most of them are elderly incumbents.

Once John McCain died, a lot of the Neocon influence died with him. Meanwhile, the Democrats kept being overrun with leftist moral guardians and their neoliberal approach they took in the Obama Administration came back to bite them

Suddenly, you had Republican politicians who became badass populists overnight, namely Mitch McConnell, as well as Lindsey Graham and others.

Even Ted Cruz, who was seen as an Evangelical relic before the 2018 midterms, got with the program and is going hard after both Google and Antifa.

As the SJW's become the left-wing equivalent of the Religious Right moral authoritarians that they originally rebelled against, more moderates and normies are being turned off by the DNC and their antics, and people are feeling a very visibile fatigue from Trump Derangement Syndrome and leftist identity politics.

Even the ones who dislike Trump will probably not vote for the DNC candidate in 2020 and just stay home instead,

The Squad are pretty much the mascots for a new brand of moral authoritarianism, while the only true remnant of the old moral guardians that is on the federal level is Mike Pence, who is largely powerless.
 
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Whichever candidate says we going to amend some shit, like put a two term policy on people who occupy the senate and house. So they actually spend the time doing the job. Instead of all their efforts in pandering and fundraising so as to never lose their seat.

Elect the person that is focused on doing 'this or that' then be done. Two term for house, two term for senate. So if they are doing good things and liked/supported by the people they can stay involved in the gov but avoid the lifetime ascension that inevitably corrupts by the nature of having no restraints except for the capital required to campaign on.

Keep the gov- progressing forward and staying fresh. There is a reason the presidential office has a two term, make it consistent to all facets of elected government officials.

So, im looking for someone like that.
 

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If they lose 2020, it will devastate the DNC and if they lose a lot of seats in the 2022 Midterms, it may force them to rethink their strategy and policy.
It's not that simple for them. You just can't put the genie back in the bottle so easily. Just like with how they're dealing with identity politics being turned against themselves.

They've spent literally fifty years pushing this radical feminism and identity politics. Almost four whole generations of people have based their entire world views on this nonsense. It's all they know. They can't put it down; they know nothing else. Those people will always find their homes in the leftmost political party.

Unless someone creates a new party to the right of the GOP, those lunatics will remain the Dems' (or some other equivalent left wing party) burden to bare. They made their bed, now they have to sleep in it.
 

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As I mentioned earlier in this thread, Yang is beta.

Pfft. Whatever. Would a beta take a page out of Biden's book and challenge DJT to a pushup contest?


'What does that guy weigh? 280 or something': Andrew Yang calls Donald Trump fat and a slob, challenges him to a push-up contest and says 'America would love to see you pass out'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...d-Trump-fat-slob-challenges-push-contest.html (http://archive.fo/lSCJg)
Andrew Yang on Saturday tore into Donald Trump, calling him fat and a slob who cheats at golf, challenged him to a push-up contest and said America would love to see the president pass out trying to run a mile.

The Democratic presidential contender started his presidential rift when chatting about all the fried food he was enjoying at the Iowa State Fair.

'I can't be eating crap on the trail too often because I need to stay in presidential form,' Yang told reporters after he spoke at a gun forum on Saturday.

'No one wants a president who doesn't seem he can run a mile. I think. I don't know,' he said.

He then turned to rip on the president.

'I don't think Donald Trump can run a mile. Would you guys enjoy watching Donald Trump run a mile? That would be hysterical. What does that guy weigh? 280 or something,' Yang said.

'I say he like passes out at the quarter mile mark,' he added.

Trump, at his last presidential physical in February 2019, tipped the scale at 243 pounds, according to his doctor.

At 6 feet 3 inches tall, Trump had the body mass of 30.4. Anything over 30 is considered obese.

Yang said he'd love to challenge Trump - who is known for his love of fast food and destain for exercise - on the track.

'Oh yeah. I'd challenge Donald Trump to any physical or mental feat under the sun. Oh god. What can that guy beat me at? Being a slob?,' he said.

His campaign staff tried to pull Yang from his question-and-answer session with reporters but Yang stayed before the microphones and kept on going.

'I can do approximately infinitely more push ups to Donald Trump,' he said.

When reporters asked him to demonstrate, the campaign staff stepped in and Yang declined to do so but said: 'I take pride in my ability to do push ups on a dime.'

But then Yang, a businessman whose signature line is 'the opposite of Donald Trump is an Asian who likes math,' went through a list of items he where he could beat the president.

'I want to go through this intellectually, like what could Donald Trump possibly be better than me at? An eating contest? Like something that involves, keeping something on the ground and having really large body mass, like if there was a hot air balloon that was rising, and you needed to try and keep it on the ground?,' he said.

'He would be better than me at that because he is so fat,' Yang added.

At that point a campaign staffer stepped in: 'Andrew.'

But Yang kept going.

He conceded, when asked by DailyMail.com, that the president may be able to beat him at golf but then said it would be hard to know because Trump cheats at the game.

'He might be able to beat me at golf although I'm told he cheats a lot so who knows what his true golf ability is,' he said.

Trump plays golf most weekends and is currently at his Trump golf club in Bedminister, N.J. for the next few weeks.

There have been allegations he cheats at the game.

An August 2017 Sports Illustrated piece noted: 'Trump will sometimes respond to a shot he duffed by simply playing a second ball and carrying on as if the first shot never happened. In the parlance of the game, Trump takes floating mulligans, usually more than one during a round. Because of them it is impossible to say what he has actually shot on any given day, according to 18 people who have teed it up with Trump over the last decade.'

Yang then faced the cameras to issue this challenge: 'Donald Trump - I challenge you to just about any physical or intellectual feat because you're a terrible president. And America would love to see you pass out trying to run a mile.'

After his 2018 physical, Trump's doctor recommended he improve his diet and noted the president said he'd like to lose 10 or 15 pounds.

The president takes a drug for his cholesterol but doesn't drink or use tobacco products.

Yang was coming off an emotional back-and-forth at he crowd of about 700 at the Everytown for Gun Safety Action forum in Des Moines on Saturday.

The father of two choked up when asked about protecting children from gun violence.

Stephanie, a gun violence survivor, talked about how her four-year-old daughter died from a stray bullet in March 2011 and asked Yang how he would address unintentional shootings by children.

After her story, Yang went down the audience to hug her and then choked up, wiping away tears on stage.

'I have a six and three year old boy,' Yang said, choking up, unable to speak and wiping back tears.

'I was imaging it was one fo them that got shot and the other saw it. I am so sorry,' he said as the audience applauded in encouragement.

'The biggest downside of running for president for me is I don't get to see my family very much,' he explained.
 
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