Orbiter 8-21-19: [Suspected] Ryan Gordon, Yaniv's "agent," pays a visit to the Farms - The inside story of a gay op trolling plan between Blaire White and Ryan Gordon.

yesthatanna

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Blaire is discussing this situation a bit at the moment on a stream here. Not sure if it's worthy of it's own thread yet.
Just listened to the first bit where she mentioned me/TPM.

She did totally stop responding without explanation (and this was just communication between her and I relayed after her video on Gordon and we were sharing experiences, and after Jessica’s dox), and I very much dislike that she framed it as an issue of trust.

I know she said “she gave me no reason to distrust her,” but that’s still not a very nice way to frame it — Especially putting mentions of me immediately after those of Ryan Gordon. This is after we went out of our way to include her story and experiences with Gordon as the bookfront on the Jane Doe piece.

Not pleased with that at all.
 

SourDiesel

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Ok again, for reference, the child luring law in Canada:

172.1 (1) Every person commits an offence who, by means of a computer system within the meaning of subsection 342.1(2), communicates with

  • (a) a person who is, or who the accused believes is, under the age of eighteen years, for the purpose of facilitating the commission of an offence under subsection 153(1), section 155 or 163.1, subsection 212(1) or (4) or section 271, 272 or 273 with respect to that person;
  • (b) a person who is, or who the accused believes is, under the age of sixteen years, for the purpose of facilitating the commission of an offence under section 280 with respect to that person; or
  • (c) a person who is, or who the accused believes is, under the age of fourteen years, for the purpose of facilitating the commission of an offence under section 151 or 152, subsection 160(3) or 173(2) or section 281 with respect to that person.
  • Punishment
    (2) Every person who commits an offence under subsection (1) is guilty of
    • (a) an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term of not more than ten years; or
    • (b) an offence punishable on summary conviction and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding eighteen months.
  • Marginal note: presumption re age
    (3) Evidence that the person referred to in paragraph (1)(a), (b) or (c) was represented to the accused as being under the age of eighteen years, sixteen years or fourteen years, as the case may be, is, in the absence of evidence to the contrary, proof that the accused believed that the person was under that age.
  • Marginal note:No defence
    (4) It is not a defence to a charge under paragraph (1)(a), (b) or (c) that the accused believed that the person referred to in that paragraph was at least eighteen years of age, sixteen years or fourteen years of age, as the case may be, unless the accused took reasonable steps to ascertain the age of the person.

  • 2002, c. 13, s. 8
  • 2007, c. 20, s. 1

All references to section numbers and subsection numbers are referring to various child sexual abuse laws. If you want to know more, you can look up the various section numbers and simply follow the references.

Before we start going into blogs about supreme court decisions that occurred in specific cases after defendants appeal, maybe we could start with the basic law. Anyone can look this up on the website I am about to link. All Canadian laws are listed there.


Now can we please stop sperging about whether or not Ryan had a right to blah blah blah? He has no fucking idea what he's talking about and harassing Anna to answer legal questions isn't helping a damned thing. No one who isn't a legal professional should be trying to try this case in their heads. Again, just report the fucking pedophile to the police and let them decide if any laws have been broken.

Edit: let's see what's under some of the sections referenced in subsection 1a - under 18 years. Here's section 163(1):

Obscene materials
  • 163 (1) Every person commits an offence who makes, prints, publishes, distributes, circulates or has in their possession for the purpose of publication, distribution or circulation any obscene written matter, picture, model, phonograph record or any other obscene thing.

Ok? So yes, it is very much illegal for Jonathan Yaniv to send pictures of his dick to 16 year old girls in Canada.
 
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SourDiesel

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I am just a layperson. So are you. So is Anna. We all agree on this.

But still, as a layperson, I can look up a cite that's on a respected legal forum in Canada and ask reasonable questions about it. If a question came up stateside where I was familiar with said laws, I would be glad to point you to what I knew down to the sub-cites instead of telling you to look them up. Let's not get into a @ComeGetSome argument here. If you have the cites, bring them. If you don't want to spend the time getting them, I won't blame you, but don't blame me either. I brought a legit reference and asked @yesthatanna to comment. And that is all.

In fact, @yesthatanna clarified that @RXG never did bring up any laws even to , and in fact @yesthatanna was aware and she and TPM actually did verify against "Romeo and Juliet" clauses that exist in Canadian law even though she's not a lawyer either.

You seem to be implying that only PD and lawyers can be legitimately involved as third parties. That would exclude @yesthatanna. I don't agree.
I literally just went out of my way to both cite and lay it all out for you. People have been going around claiming it's not illegal if she was over 16.

Anna is reporting on a story. That's literally all she's doing. She's not trying this case she's telling a story.

Ryan was trying this case though and you seem to be trying this case too, tbh. All anyone had to do was report the alleged crime to the police. That's all. And Ryan seemed to not be willing to do that until he himself played investigator, crown attorney, judge AND jury and decide himself of Yaniv's guilt. And it may be interesting and fun to do but I'm starting to feel like this isn't the thread for it. I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish by interrogating everyone tbh. We aren't going to crack this "case". There's no case to crack.
 
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wabbits

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Has anyone else wondered like I have whether the Gordon-Yaniv alliance broke up because Yaniv refused to pay Gordon for, as @2nd_time_user said above, reputation management services?

When their arrangement broke up, the Miriam Yaniv account tweeted praise for Jonathan for not having fallen for "a scam," and while Gordon's behavior during his week of Yanivery would have been weird behavior for a documentarian, it was pretty standard for reputation management: Take over the SM, cool down your client's public disputes, contact media to find out what they're doing and chill any negatives they're pursuing, pitch positive stories - like by pitching a doco about your loved-by-all client's activism.

Had Yaniv not understood he had to pay for reputation management? Or had Gordon offered him a week of free service to prove how well worth paying for his work would be but when the week ended, Yaniv didn't want to pay? Did Gordon even go so far as to raise his price once he had Yaniv's SM passwords and 40 hours of recorded conversations that gave him incriminating information?

Whoa, am I accusing Gordon of blackmail? Nah, it could have gone more like, "Shit, Jessica, you need more help than I thought. I'm not going to have time for my other projects because I'm going to have to sink all my time into talking to reporters about how those girls weren't minors and getting inside the RCMP investigation to find out what they've got. That's double, m'lady. I've got to raise my rates."

Thoughts?
 

WGkitty

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Has anyone else wondered like I have whether the Gordon-Yaniv alliance broke up because Yaniv refused to pay Gordon for, as @2nd_time_user said above, reputation management services?

When their arrangement broke up, the Miriam Yaniv account tweeted praise for Jonathan for not having fallen for "a scam," and while Gordon's behavior during his week of Yanivery would have been weird behavior for a documentarian, it was pretty standard for reputation management: Take over the SM, cool down your client's public disputes, contact media to find out what they're doing and chill any negatives they're pursuing, pitch positive stories - like by pitching a doco about your loved-by-all client's activism.

Had Yaniv not understood he had to pay for reputation management? Or had Gordon offered him a week of free service to prove how well worth paying for his work would be but when the week ended, Yaniv didn't want to pay? Did Gordon even go so far as to raise his price once he had Yaniv's SM passwords and 40 hours of recorded conversations that gave him incriminating information?

Whoa, am I accusing Gordon of blackmail? Nah, it could have gone more like, "Shit, Jessica, you need more help than I thought. I'm not going to have time for my other projects because I'm going to have to sink all my time into talking to reporters about how those girls weren't minors and getting inside the RCMP investigation to find out what they've got. That's double, m'lady. I've got to raise my rates."

Thoughts?
This is the most likely story of all this that I've heard TBH. None of the rest of what he's saying even makes any sense and details keep changing. It's almost like he made it all up and can't keep his story straight. It's also fits why Yaniv called him his agent and he represented himself as Yaniv's agent.

Also why he wouldn't answer my questions about the original scope of the agreement and can't post his original agreement with Yaniv even with dox redacted!
 

yesthatanna

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Everything is cool, @SourDiesel ans @2nd_time_user! We are all armchair lawyers, detectives, psychiatrists... hell, I’m an armchair journalist xD

I am happy to answer any questions. That’s why I came here. To clear the popper-gassed air, as it were.

Folks can have whatever opinions they’d like about me and the whole situation. I just wanted to get the truth out there, or at least give as much info as I had in my possession for you to judge yourself.

I never expected people to be as nice and responsive as they have been here to my story and my details! So I’m grateful for that, and the chance to clear so much up. It was a huge relief for me, to be honest.

On the issue of the name revelations, of course I regret it. I feel horrible.

I only wish for people to know that Gordon was not always unstable. When he started off, it was 100% pro-victim, anti-Yaniv, and he used a lot of what I now realize was emotional manipulation (including the CSA reveal) that made me feel he was trustworthy and understood what all of this was about. It literally wasn’t until that night that he revealed his instability power level.

I have tried to lend a hand to a lot of other journalists, media, even citizen reporters who have come to me about Yaniv. It’s never been about an “exclusive scoop” for me, so I never had any reservations about sharing what I knew. Gordon was in a particularly unique position, convincing me he had totally sidelined Yaniv, and had the chance to get information no one else would have been able to. I shared things with him under this impression only, and under the conditions I’ve listed in other posts (1. getting closure for Jane, 2. after his massive fuck up and me trying to clarify shit and prevent any further fuck ups).

But that’s if he were true and honest. And he wasn’t. He was an unstable maniac either a) out to make a buck on the back of the Yaniv story, or b) in cohort with the Yaniv clan.

I never thought that things would ever get to this point. I don’t know how I could have predicted there was a psychopath out there who genuinely wished harm upon these girls, or would have taken their information and tried to fuck their lives up. Maybe I’m green behind the ears, but the only person I thought was that sick was Yaniv himself.
 
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2nd_time_user

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Everything is cool, @SourDiesel ans @2nd_time_user! We are all armchair lawyers, detectives, psychiatrists... hell, I’m an armchair journalist xD

I am happy to answer any questions. That’s why I came here. To clear the popper-gassed air, as it were.

Folks can have whatever opinions they’d like about me and the whole situation. I just wanted to get the truth out there, or at least give as much info as I had in my possession for you to judge yourself.

I never expected people to be as nice and responsive as they have been here to my story and my details! So I’m grateful for that, and the chance to clear so much up. It was a huge relief for me, to be honest.

On the issue of the name revelations, of course I regret it. I feel horrible.

I only wish for people to know that Gordon was not always unstable. When he started off, it was 100% pro-victim, anti-Yaniv, and he used a lot of what I now realize was emotional manipulation (including the CSA reveal) that made me feel he was trustworthy and understood what all of this was about. It literally wasn’t until that night that he revealed his instability power level.

I have tried to lend a hand to a lot of other journalists, media, even citizen reporters who have come to me about Yaniv. It’s never been about an “exclusive scoop” for me, so I never had any reservations about sharing what I knew. Gordon was in a particularly unique position, convincing me he had totally sidelined Yaniv, and had the chance to get information no one else would have been able to. I shared things with him under this impression only, and under the conditions I’ve listed in other posts (1. getting closure for Jane, 2. after his massive fuck in and me trying to clarify shit and prevent any further fuck ups).

But that’s if he were true and honest. And he wasn’t. He was an unstable maniac either a) out to make a buck on the back of the Yaniv story, or b) in cohort with the Yaniv clan.

I never thought that things would ever get to this point. I don’t know how I could have predicted there was a psychopath out there who genuinely wished harm upon these girls, or would have taken their information and tried to fuck their lives up. Maybe I’m green behind the ears, but the only person I thought was that sick was Yaniv himself.
Hey, @yesthatanna. I would have recommended beforehand that you got your pub to send you to some AP/ASME seminars beforehand, but you learned through hard knocks more than any seminar would have told you. At this point, I'd still recommend that you go but this time as a speaker. ASME is American-based, but welcomes Canadians as well as non-daily publications. You can get accepted and go for free. What happened to you is a valuable lesson that all editors should be reinforcing to their reporters at any level.
 

AbraCadaver

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I love that gordon was signing in and showing up to this thread constantly to sperg, right up until Anna showed up. Now suddenly he’s too busy to come back, per his login history.

Nice try Gordy, but we know that trick. Hiding behind a new lurking account so you can read here and still seem like you just haven’t checked back in? I’d say you’re quite upset Anna showed up. When you feel like logging back in under your main account, we’ll be here.
 

2nd_time_user

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I love that gordon was signing in and showing up to this thread constantly to sperg, right up until Anna showed up. Now suddenly he’s too busy to come back, per his login history.

Nice try Gordy, but we know that trick. Hiding behind a new lurking account so you can read here and still seem like you just haven’t checked back in? I’d say you’re quite upset Anna showed up. When you feel like logging back in under your main account, we’ll be here.
He doesn't have to have a new account. Anyone can lurk without signing up here. He's been hiding like a scared rabbit since Anna showed up not because he has so much "work" (he didn't before) but because she brought proof that he doesn't want to respond to. Personally, I agree with @wabbits theory of him going in as some kind of reputation manager, one that he fucked up totally when he told us here that he took over Jon's socials at his mom's behest and that Mama Yaniv had to ask him to give the keys back. He fucked up so totally that in fact Jon might have a claim over him that he feels he can't extricate himself from.

He's what, 43, and still probably lives with his relatives. And now he's quivering in 105-degree heat because some Canadian pedo and his batshit momma actually have him by the ballhairs.
 

SeeingRad

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I love that gordon was signing in and showing up to this thread constantly to sperg, right up until Anna showed up. Now suddenly he’s too busy to come back, per his login history.

Nice try Gordy, but we know that trick. Hiding behind a new lurking account so you can read here and still seem like you just haven’t checked back in? I’d say you’re quite upset Anna showed up. When you feel like logging back in under your main account, we’ll be here.
OFF THE RECORD YOU GUYS, FOR REALSIES

Hi @RXG,

It pains me to see that you did not keep your word and return to the Farms, or KW as it's famously known. I saw your posts about Anna and your conversations. The posts you made do not reflect what actually happened. I am willing to bypass that for now.

Regardless of our complete breakdown in communication due to your psychopathy, autism, and overall unpleasantness would you be willing to agree that you are an absolute failure of a human being and keep on our shared path of making fun of you? If I miscommunicated to you I want to extend no apology whatsoever because I don't care.

This forum deserves justice.

I will probably contact you again after this message, just hoping you can remember the 6-7 days of fantastic word salad we read and my willingness to show everyone here your PM's.

SERIOUSLY THIS IS OFF THE RECORD, I HAVE LAWYERS IN CANADA AND ALL THE PORN STATIONARY IN THE WORLD.
 

RavenCrow

It's only gay if the balls touch.
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I love that gordon was signing in and showing up to this thread constantly to sperg, right up until Anna showed up. Now suddenly he’s too busy to come back, per his login history.

Nice try Gordy, but we know that trick. Hiding behind a new lurking account so you can read here and still seem like you just haven’t checked back in? I’d say you’re quite upset Anna showed up. When you feel like logging back in under your main account, we’ll be here.
Ryan is currently busy looking for his missing dildo, which is actually still up his ass.

He's a busy man.
 

Fucks Capacitor

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I just can't believe that @RXG actually may have made his last post here without fanfare. It would have perhaps carried any significance at all if he hadn't flounced more than an 80s prom dress.
Them feels when you garnish your word salad buffet with a thesaurus but it doesn't overshadow audio recordings of you sounding like a desperate, duplicitious cunt.
 
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