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8chan Is a Megaphone for Shooters. ‘Shut the Site Down,’ Says Its Creator.
August 4, 2019

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Fredrick Brennan was getting ready for church at his home in the Philippines when the news of a mass shooting in El Paso arrived. His response was immediate and instinctive.
“Whenever I hear about a mass shooting, I say, ‘All right, we have to research if there’s an 8chan connection,’” he said.

Mr. Brennan started the online message board 8chan in 2013, as a spinoff of 4chan, the better-known message board. In its early years, the site was known as an unmoderated free-for-all site populated by anonymous posters, where shocking and offensive humor reigned.
Now, 8chan is known as something else: a megaphone for mass shooters, and a recruiting platform for violent white nationalists. And Mr. Brennan, who stopped working with the site’s current owner last year, is calling for it to be taken offline before it leads to further violence.
“Shut the site down,” Mr. Brennan said in an interview on Sunday. “It’s not doing the world any good. It’s a complete negative to everybody except the users that are there. And you know what? It’s a negative to them, too. They just don’t realize it.”
So far this year, three mass shootings — El Paso, the mosque killings in Christchurch, New Zealand, and the synagogue shooting in Poway, Calif. — have been announced in advance on 8chan, often accompanied by racist writings that seem engineered to go viral on the internet.
Moments before the El Paso shooting on Saturday, a four-page message whose author identified himself as the suspected shooter appeared on 8chan’s politics board, known as /pol/. The person who posted the message encouraged his 8chan “brothers” to spread its contents far and wide.
Given its repeated involvement in mass shootings, 8chan has become a focal point for those seeking to disrupt the pathways of online extremism.
“8chan is almost like a bulletin board where the worst offenders go to share their terrible ideas,” said Jonathan Greenblatt, the chief executive of the Anti-Defamation League. “It’s become a sounding board where people share ideas, and where these kinds of ideologies are amplified and expanded on, and ultimately, people are radicalized as a result.”
8chan has been run out of the Philippines by Jim Watkins, a United States Army veteran, since 2015, when Mr. Brennan gave up control of the site.
The site remains nearly completely unmoderated, and its commitment to keeping up even the most violent speech has made it a venue for extremists to test out ideas, share violent literature and cheer on the perpetrators of mass killings. Users on 8chan frequently lionize mass shooters using jokey internet vernacular, referring to their body counts as “high scores” and creating memes praising the killers.
Mr. Brennan, who has a condition known as brittle-bone disease and uses a wheelchair, has tried to distance himself from 8chan and its current owners. In a March interview with The Wall Street Journal, he expressed his regrets over his role in the site’s creation, and warned that the violent culture that had taken root on 8chan’s boards could lead to more mass shootings.
After the El Paso shooting, he seemed resigned to the fact that it had.
“Another 8chan shooting?” he tweeted on Saturday. “Am I ever going to be able to move on with my life?”
Mr. Watkins, who runs 8chan along with his son, Ronald, has remained defiant in the face of criticism, and has resisted calls to moderate or shut down the site. On Sunday, a banner at the top of 8chan’s home page read, “Welcome to 8chan, the Darkest Reaches of the Internet.”
“I’ve tried to understand so many times why he keeps it going, and I just don’t get it,” Mr. Brennan said. “After Christchurch, after the Tree of Life shooting, and now after this shooting, they think this is all really funny.”
Mr. Watkins did not respond to multiple requests for comment.
In the early days of 8chan, Mr. Brennan defended the right of 8chan users to post anonymously, without censorship. And he dismissed incidents of harassment or violence by users of the site as the price of being an open forum.
“Anonymity should not be taken away from everyone just because of a few bad apples,” he told Ars Technica, the technology website, in a 2015 interview.
But more recently, Mr. Brennan, who has begun attending a Baptist church, has tried to persuade Mr. Watkins to shut down the site. He and Mr. Watkins live near each other in the Philippines, he said, and he often drives past Mr. Watkins’s house on his way to church.
Mr. Brennan said that other websites, like Facebook and Twitter, also play a role in spreading the kinds of violent messages that often originate on 8chan. But he said that those sites have been more proactive about removing dangerous content, making them less appealing venues for a would-be terrorist.
“Shutting it down, having these chan sites pushed underground, it wouldn’t totally stop these kinds of things from happening,” he said. “But it wouldn’t happen every few months.”
Mr. Brennan said he doubted that Mr. Watkins makes money from 8chan, since it is free to use and costly to maintain, and since its toxic content has made it radioactive to advertisers. (In a 2017 interview, Mr. Watkins said of running 8chan, “It doesn’t make money, but it’s a lot of fun.”) And Mr. Brennan is hopeful that sustained pressure on Mr. Watkins and his son will get them to change their minds eventually, and take down 8chan for good.
“How long are they just going to allow this to go on?” he asked.
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Maybe he shouldn't have sold the site to Jim Watkins, then he could shut down the website down because somebody did something and that means that nobody is allowed to use it from now on. But as of now, he's pretty much powerless because it's no longer his website. It's like if Moot was made to say he regretted making 4chan, he can't do shit because it's not his site.

On a related note, I guess this site should be shut down too because we've had @FuckYou and @Heretics on Holiday either shoot up or try to shoot up public places. Maybe Facebook too because that had the New Zealand shooter streaming from it, along with some guy from Cleveland uploading his murder of a random guy to it. Don't forget YouTube, it had Elliot Rodger, Mr Anime, Randy Stair, that congresswoman shooter, and more uploading manifestos.
 

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@copypaste explain yourself nigger

But seriously, saying the whole site should be shut down doesn't fix anything and will just piss people off. Many boards exist with relatively interesting and productive discussion about whatever without political autism rearing its ugly head most of the time. No need to punish everyone who has a good time there because of a few pissed-off incels. Let Jim let the site die when he gets bored by it, not because a bunch of histrionic troons and opportunists started to breath down his neck every second of the day for something he can't control.
 
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How can hotwheels be this ignorrant?
These shootings happen regardless of the fact of 8chan being open or not.
If you took away a mass shooters ability to shitpost a week before he got down to his bloody deed, he'd just tape his manifesto to a random pole instead of vomitting it onto 8chan.
Does that mean we have to ban poles, too?
 
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Lol, I'm sure forcing everyone to go to darkweb chans will have a great effect. What could possibly go wrong?
Literally the exact same logic as thinking that demolishing a wall that local gangs like to tag with graffiti will magically end all gang related crimes

Setting aside the absolute disconnect between gangs doing serious shit and gangs doing grafiti....there are other walls nigger. They will just move the fuck on down the street and keep going with the spray cans no matter how many walls you knock down
 

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Well I honestly would not be surprised if 8chan eventually does close its doors for good sooner or later unless there are changes regarding with how the website is run in all.

Now the big problem with 8chan in itself is really how little moderation there is anyway. Now I'm all for free speech on the Internet but even then many websites still have reasonable moderation for the most part to make sure that there is some order on said platform and not have their users do really dumb stuff on their platforms (like Kiwi Farms) and the problem with places like that of 8chan is really the way that the website is moderated and they hardly keep their own speds in check.

If a place like ResetEra is one extreme where the moderation is far too strict to the point where you can't have any fun on that forum then 8chan is the other extreme on the opposite side of the spectrum where it's almost total anarchy and the people that moderate 8chan just hardly give a shit and not really care what their own crazies do on their platform until tragedies happen than involve 8chan in all.

So overall, it's either 8chan has to start keeping their own speds in check or they have to close their doors for good because they can't continue to still allow morons to LARP as the main character from The Turner Diaries and shit.
 
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Well I honestly would not be surprised if 8chan eventually does close its doors for good sooner or later unless there are changes with how its run.

Now the big problem with 8chan in itself is really how little moderation there is anyway. Now I'm all for free speech on the Internet but even then many websites still have reasonable moderation for the most part to make sure that there is some order on said platform and not have their users do dumb stuff on their platforms (like Kiwi Farms) and the problem with places like that of 8chan is really the way it's moderated hardly keeps their own speds in check.

If a place like ResetEra is one extreme where the moderation is far too strict to the point where you can't have any fun on that forum then 8chan is the other extreme on the opposite side of the spectrum where it's almost total anarchy and the people that moderate 8chan hardly give a shit and not care what their own crazies do on their platform until tragedies happen than involve 8chan in all.

So overall, it's either 8chan has to start keeping their own speds in check or they have to close their doors for good because they can't continue to still allow morons to LARP as the main character from The Turner Diaries and shit.
I'm sure 8chan was sold to a good man who will take the right course of action, and definitely doesn't have a shady history that would put him in a bad light.
 

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I feel like Hotwheels is just saying this mainly because he hates Jim and in reality he doesn't give a shit about 8chan. I mean surely he can't possibly be so exceptional as to actually believe that 8chan being shut down will stop any sort of extremist action. This article was calculated to make him look better, to make Jim look worse and to distance himself from the media drama whenever the chans are brought up.
 

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Wait, that's really the guy who created 8chan?

Isn't the logical conclusion that the internet is a megaphone for mass shooters? These people use the internet, just like everybody else, so it's probably not the internet's problem.
>he doesn't know the story of the crippled kike
 
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