A Debate on the Ethics of Punching Nazis or Something -

[neogafrefugeenumber44634]

Supposedly the nazi was harassing the black guy on a bus. If that's true, I can't fault the guy for punching him.

Still not legal to punch the guy. All the black did was show that blacks cannot live outside cages and or chains. If someone hurls slurs at you, you cannot pull out a gun and shot the guy.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Still not legal to punch the guy. All the black did was show that blacks cannot live outside cages and or chains. If someone hurls slurs at you, you cannot pull out a gun and shot the guy.

Stop it with this racist shit. Not only is what you said untrue, but all you are doing is giving ammo to the antifa crap that "everyone against us is a racist!"

 

[Taily Puff]

Still not legal to punch the guy. All the black did was show that blacks cannot live outside cages and or chains. If someone hurls slurs at you, you cannot pull out a gun and shot the guy.

I don't think having a violent emotional response to someone actively trying to provoke a violent emotional response from you is exclusive to any race. It's still not acceptable, or legal, but it's also not hard to understand, and not a "black people" thing.

That said, the far left growing more and more violent is something everyone should have seen coming, in retrospect. There was such a strong push to equate mean words and aggressive language with actual physical violence, to say that hurting someone's feelings was literally assaulting them. Well it's not really a shock that a generation of students who were taught that feeling bad means you're being assaulted see no problem punching people who voted for the president who keeps saying mean words.

 

[neogafrefugeenumber44634]

I didn't think Juggalo-ing was a thing you could make dumber than it is, but maybe adding some far left ideology will achieve the impossible.

All the jugs had to do to make the gang identification seem stupid was to just up hold signs mocking the FBI for thinking grown man babys along with the 14 year old boy fans of a sub par rap group were a threat to the community. Only thing they were threatening was the supply of a sub par sugary drink.

http://www.theonion.com/article/insane-clown-posse-gets-ride-to-concert-from-mom-707

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

Still not legal to punch the guy. All the black did was show that blacks cannot live outside cages and or chains. If someone hurls slurs at you, you cannot pull out a gun and shot the guy.

Oh look now transvaalan can make a new friend.

 

[neogafrefugeenumber44634]

This is why cases involving shit like this don't generally amount to much. It's still illegal to punch even a Nazi. Nevertheless, a jury who looks at this video is going to convict the guy, at most, of simple assault. They'll probably regret that they couldn't convict him of "pretty awesome assault" because that punch was great.

Then maybe they'll fine him $50 or whatever and if they have to, sentence him to a day in jail, where everyone will love him (non-sexually).

That isn't simple assault by any legal definition. Simple assault is where you poked someone with your finger. Hitting someone so they can fall on concrete can kill the person. People have died from one punch and the punch thrower get life in jail for murder. Depending upon what a medical exam reveals and shown in trial that punch could get an attempted murder charge.

You do not have the right to punch someone for saying nasty things to you or for being a Nazi. It is not legal nor is it ethical. It makes you the bad guy.

 

[lolwut]

That isn't simple assault by any legal definition. Simple assault is where you poked someone with your finger. Hitting someone so they can fall on concrete can kill the person. People have died from one punch and the punch thrower get life in jail for murder. Depending upon what a medical exam reveals and shown in trial that punch could get an attempted murder charge.

You do not have the right to punch someone for saying nasty things to you or for being a Nazi. It is not legal nor is it ethical. It makes you the bad guy.

People punch each other in the street all the time and get charged assault for it. Unless you're basically sitting on top of them beating their face in, punching someone isn't attempted murder. And yes, that is a summary of the legal definition. (Also lol @ trying to argue law with @AnOminous; an actual lawyer.

 

[HG 400]

If somebody tragically dies from head-to-concrete impact then sure, murder charges might come up but no way in hell is anybody throwing 'attempted murder' at a punch in the head.

 

[neogafrefugeenumber44634]

People punch each other in the street all the time and get charged assault for it. Unless you're basically sitting on top of them beating their face in, punching someone isn't attempted murder. And yes, that is a summary of the legal definition. (Also lol @ trying to argue law with @AnOminous; an actual lawyer.

Wrong people do get charged with attempted murder because people can die from one punch. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-38992393

https://www.newsbreakapp.com/punch-...olice?s=fb.local.1172369249489489&id=03qPllbE

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...rged-with-attempted-murder-eyes-nfl-comeback/

Want me to drag up more or are you going to apologize?

If somebody tragically dies from head-to-concrete impact then sure, murder charges might come up but no way in hell is anybody throwing 'attempted murder' at a punch in the head.

The reason for attempted murder charge from the punch because it did brain damage to the person because the punch caused a concussion injury. It wasn't the fall to the ground it was the punch to the face or to the side of the head. Without medical intervention the person dies. Hence why attempted murder charges are done based upon the findings of the medical exams done the person that got punched.

 

[HG 400]

The reason for attempted murder charge from the punch because it did brain damage to the person because the punch caused a concussion injury. It wasn't the fall to the ground it was the punch to the face or to the side of the head. Without medical intervention the person dies. Hence why attempted murder charges are done based upon the findings of the medical exams done the person that got punched.

And a meth cook once got hit with possessing weapons of mass destruction. Those are bullshit charges you're supposed to be scared enough of to plead out and I'd be surprised if anyone got convicted of that shit.

 

[lolwut]

The reason for attempted murder charge from the punch because it did brain damage to the person because the punch caused a concussion injury. It wasn't the fall to the ground it was the punch to the face or to the side of the head. Without medical intervention the person dies. Hence why attempted murder charges are done based upon the findings of the medical exams done the person that got punched.

Thanks for refuting your own argument and saving me the trouble.

are you going to apologize?

lol, do you even know where you are?

 

[neogafrefugeenumber44634]

And a meth cook once got hit with possessing weapons of mass destruction. Those are bullshit charges you're supposed to be scared enough of to plead out and I'd be surprised if anyone got convicted of that shit.

People do get convicted. You just don't read about it. After all plenty of people don't believe a single punch can kill someone either by causing an artery to pop or the person gets concussed from the punch. Its only been in recent years that the media is reporting on these deaths.

Thanks for refuting your own argument and saving me the trouble.

lol, do you even know where you are?

How I did I refute my argument when I outlined why the charge is done?

 

[HG 400]

After all plenty of people don't believe a single punch can kill someone either by causing an artery to pop or the person gets concussed from the punch.

Which is why it's not "attempted murder", and only a disgustingly ambitious prosecutor would try to treat it as such. I doubt anybody in the history of humankind has ever tried to end somebody elses life and decided "yes socking him one time will do it".

 

[lolwut]

How I did I refute my argument when I outlined why the charge is done?

Because your claim is backed by a couple of exigent circumstances like they represent all the thousands of punches thrown each day, instead of being just that. Exigent circumstances. It takes a hell of a shitty defense attorney, or an extremely good (but asshole) prosecutor to prove their one hit wonder was an attempted homicide.

[E] This is what @neogafrefugeenumber44634 actually believes:

Spoiler

 

[neogafrefugeenumber44634]

Which is why it's not "attempted murder", and only a disgustingly ambitious prosecutor would try to treat it as such. I doubt anybody in the history of humankind has ever tried to end somebody elses life and decided "yes socking him one time will do it".

It is attempted murder since the attack nearly killed someone. It is why those a-holes that shot up a bus got attempted murder convictions even though their defense attorneys said they weren't out to kill anyone. Just because you failed at murdering doesn't mean you didn't attempt to murder them.

It is why those that claim to have fired a warning shot but wind up hitting and killing the person still get charged/convicted with murder or if the person doesn't die attempted murder

Because your claim is backed by a couple of exigent circumstances like they represent all the thousands of punches thrown each day, instead of being just that. Exigent circumstances. It takes a hell of a shitty defense attorney, or an extremely good (but asshole) prosecutor to prove their one hit wonder was an attempted homicide.

No it doesn't. Plenty of people who were victims of the knockout game got permanent brain damage. Guess what if the players had been found they would have been charged with attempted murder and convicted.

 

[HG 400]

It is attempted murder since the attack nearly killed someone.

No it isn't. Attempted murder is when you attempt to murder somebody.

 

[neverendingmidi]

lol calm down.


and stop double posting.

 

[lolwut]

permanent brain damage.

Exigent. Circumstances.

It is attempted murder since the attack nearly killed someone. It is why those a-holes that shot up a bus got attempted murder convictions even though their defense attorneys said they weren't out to kill anyone. Just because you failed at murdering doesn't mean you didn't attempt to murder them.

It is why those that claim to have fired a warning shot but wind up hitting and killing the person still get charged/convicted with murder or if the person doesn't die attempted murder

lol, wtf do guns have to do with any of this?

 

[Cthulu]

It is attempted murder since the attack nearly killed someone.

No attempted murder is pre-meditated. So If I say I will murder you irl it's not murder until I do or attempted murder if I fail like an asshat

 

[neogafrefugeenumber44634]

No attempted murder is pre-meditated. So If I say I will murder you irl it's not murder until I do or attempted murder if I fail like an asshat

Wrong. Premeditation is not a requirement if someone was committing a willful act to potentially cause harm. A gang member who during a drive by injures someone is convicted of attempted murder even though the person nearly killed was not the intended target.

Exigent. Circumstances.


lol, wtf do guns have to do with any of this?

giving an example as to a dumbass defense that you would attempt to use in such situations.

Exigent circumstances don't matter. What matters is often intent or premeditation. Even if someone claims they were not planning to have the person die guess what they still get charged with murder or attempted murder.