A real potential start to the American Civil War - What would happen within America during a retaliatory power outage lasting months during a Sino-American War of Hacking?

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jje100010001

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One thing for sure- lots of foreign and domestic adventurers, lots of foreign agents, and everything being livestreamed.

The world's biggest playground and movie set.

Another civil war will not happen in america. War is something that is conducted by men. There are no more men left in america, only faggots, fatties, troons, femboys, porn addicts and nerds. Whatever happens, all of them will continue posting on the internet and buying video games on "steam", untill they go extinct.
It was theorized that because the US has an fairly high level of individualism, low group cohesion, and a powerful government, you're not really going to have any successful grassroots group organization that's not going to start quickly splintering or getting subverted by the feds.

I see the only sort of civil war situation emerging from the state-federal level, where it's government against government.
 

MelloYello

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Pretty creative but realize this is the farms. Alot of people might try bait you saying such in hopes of you getting vanned. For a laugh.
Duly noted, but there's nothing novel about the idea. The brits were already working on something similar during the 1940s,
though they intended to target livestock, if I remember correctly.
If there's any method to cause mass casualties the human mind could possibly conceive, no matter how perfidious, I bet you the military has already thought about it.
 
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DeadFish

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Duly noted, but there's nothing novel about the idea. The brits were already working on something similar during the 1940s, though they intended to target livestock, if I remember correctly.
If there's any method to cause mass casualties, no matter how perfidious, I can guarantee you the military has already thought about it.
That's how the conspiracy theories about fluoridized water came to be, by the way.
I'm aware. Bat bombs. Computer controlled cockroaches. They ain't shy about it.

I'm just saying look at recent history.
Bin Laden did 911 with intent of causing issues with the american economy.

What did he get for his efforts?
He his in caves and was hounded by the us military for a decade.

2008 recession. Wall street caused the world economy to implode. Did they get punished? Nope why? Cause they paid the right people off. As a result they got rewarded with bailouts. They could've nuked the white house as long they greased the right palms. He'll the owners of the palms might let them have all the silos for the right price.

If you're going to go up against anyone you use their weakness against them

Paying off local politicians to neglect infrastructure would be the way to go. It's already happening on its own
I forget the story but real estate mongers interfering with politics is the cause of flint michigan s problems. I'm saying if someone wants to they could weaponize this process to great effect
 

Johan Schmidt

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I'm aware. Bat bombs. Computer controlled cockroaches. They ain't shy about it.

I'm just saying look at recent history.
Bin Laden did 911 with intent of causing issues with the american economy.

What did he get for his efforts?
He his in caves and was hounded by the us military for a decade.

2008 recession. Wall street caused the world economy to implode. Did they get punished? Nope why? Cause they paid the right people off. As a result they got rewarded with bailouts. They could've nuked the white house as long they greased the right palms. He'll the owners of the palms might let them have all the silos for the right price.

If you're going to go up against anyone you use their weakness against them

Paying off local politicians to neglect infrastructure would be the way to go. It's already happening on its own
I forget the story but real estate mongers interfering with politics is the cause of flint michigan s problems. I'm saying if someone wants to they could weaponize this process to great effect
Thatcher did it to the North and Liverpool specifically in the UK. It was an official policy of managed decline to let problem counties die off in a way that maximises their use with little input while shielding the plan from the proles that live there.

A government can just grind down communities over time pretty easily; the USA already does socially. Whenever they get boatloads of migrants they spend shit loads of money bussing them into the whitest areas they can like some sort of nog bomb. The UK does the same for migrants as well.
 

Sustainable War

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This reminds me of the time I kept getting told to look up this Navy Seal, who had been interviewed on Fox News or something. Multiple people from parts of my life randomly mentioned this guy and whatever shit he was talking about, might have been Obama or something like that. I went to his website (which was 90% not whatever he talked about in that interview) and this stupid motherfucker was ranting about all these recent rumors about "an EMP device the North Koreans were designing that could kill the whole U.S. grid." This fucking exceptional individual was talking about the plot of the new Red Dawn remake that was coming out in several months, like down to a tee, like he was some parody as an alien reading movie insider news that he thought was real. Changed my opinion of Navy Seals when I started looking into the kooks they become after that.
 

DeadFish

I've may have made some mistakes...
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Thatcher did it to the North and Liverpool specifically in the UK. It was an official policy of managed decline to let problem counties die off in a way that maximises their use with little input while shielding the plan from the proles that live there.

A government can just grind down communities over time pretty easily; the USA already does socially. Whenever they get boatloads of migrants they spend shit loads of money bussing them into the whitest areas they can like some sort of nog bomb. The UK does the same for migrants as well.
In other words power always centralizes
 

SweetSkittles

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You must be stupid to think that a group could actually muster up the power to start a civil war. The US Military would easliy overpower an forces that would even try to start a civil war
 

Cabelaz

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This reminds me of the time I kept getting told to look up this Navy Seal, who had been interviewed on Fox News or something. Multiple people from parts of my life randomly mentioned this guy and whatever shit he was talking about, might have been Obama or something like that. I went to his website (which was 90% not whatever he talked about in that interview) and this stupid motherfucker was ranting about all these recent rumors about "an EMP device the North Koreans were designing that could kill the whole U.S. grid." This fucking exceptional individual was talking about the plot of the new Red Dawn remake that was coming out in several months, like down to a tee, like he was some parody as an alien reading movie insider news that he thought was real. Changed my opinion of Navy Seals when I started looking into the kooks they become after that.
Seals are a fucking joke. Army are the people who actually get shit done professionally.
 

Lone MacReady

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Seals are a fucking joke. Army are the people who actually get shit done professionally.
People tend to forget that without gas, food, the people who grow and collect the food, mechanics, craftsmen, international contractors, willing/naïve volunteers - the military has nothing. One link in that chain getting disrupted fucks with the beast. There's a reason asymmetric warfare works so well against over expanded empires, why the MIC is such a fragile parasite. The AC-130 can't even takeoff if the pilot was killed or if the bases fuel tanks were blown up. The SEAL can't even find where you are without an expansive OPs team and nerds with satellite feeds. And even with all the tech in the world, the "People" have and will always outnumber the "Establishment", by a staggering degree. If only they realized this - change could be made this very day.
 

Haim Arlosoroff

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People tend to forget that without gas, food, the people who grow and collect the food, mechanics, craftsmen, international contractors, willing/naïve volunteers - the military has nothing. One link in that chain getting disrupted fucks with the beast. There's a reason asymmetric warfare works so well against over expanded empires, why the MIC is such a fragile parasite. The AC-130 can't even takeoff if the pilot was killed or if the bases fuel tanks were blown up. The SEAL can't even find where you are without an expansive OPs team and nerds with satellite feeds. And even with all the tech in the world, the "People" have and will always outnumber the "Establishment", by a staggering degree. If only they realized this - change could be made this very day.
Power projection and logistics far outweigh tactics and strategy, its like being an expert chess player blind, deaf, and dumb. Its a matter of control, you cannot occupy America with America's army. Joint Battle Command Platforms aren't usable if the friendly, hostile, neutral, unknown and noncombatant entities are American citizens, the M1A2 SEP v4's upgraded armor at the cost of a lighter gun isn't going to do a hell of good in an environment where the average attack is going to happen to your fuel or ammo supplies, and the average Grunt (a LGBT+ White Girl who is going to lose their morale when the first child gets shot) is going to be locking down and walking down urban America for months after their welcome is over from relieving whatever sparked the whole civil war.

The grand coalition of the Arms industry wouldn't survive a year, the occupation might last five but the MIC would be suddenly experienced by the average American and neither would be the same afterwards.
 

Still Anonymous For This

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China doesn't even need hacking or an EMP; all they need are a couple crews with shotguns and/or rifles, and a few minutes of alone time around transformer farms or substations.

Hell.... there's already been a couple test runs in multiple states over the years.

As true as this is, I'm extremely inclined to believe that China will never attempt hacking our infrastructure in such a way as to cause permanent damage to our nation or arm roving bands with shotguns for the same purposes. They won't do it for the exact same reason why Russia has never had the Spetsnaz do it or why the Norks don't do it: they are absolutely terrified of the response they would get out of us.

After 9/11, nations were lining up left and right to not only support us, but also to assure us they had nothing to do with what happened. Adversarial nations were lining up at the White House to compete over who could suck Dubya off the best. This was only a little over a year after an election fiasco that split the nation.

China and Russia both know that if they turn the light switch off over here, and we cannot respond conventionally, that they'll both have an explosive surplus of glass to put on the international market. Putin knows he'd leave his bunker just in time for the radiation levels to die down, but two late to escape the Polish troops that will be coming for his ass.
 

murdered meat bag

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we'll tear each other apart. with the government on collapse, people will police themselves and lots of looters are going to see that it was the big bad government protecting them.

im guessing well see stacks of bodies near "now entering...." signs like in chechnya.

As true as this is, I'm extremely inclined to believe that China will never attempt hacking our infrastructure in such a way as to cause permanent damage to our nation or arm roving bands with shotguns for the same purposes. They won't do it for the exact same reason why Russia has never had the Spetsnaz do it or why the Norks don't do it: they are absolutely terrified of the response they would get out of us.

After 9/11, nations were lining up left and right to not only support us, but also to assure us they had nothing to do with what happened. Adversarial nations were lining up at the White House to compete over who could suck Dubya off the best. This was only a little over a year after an election fiasco that split the nation.

China and Russia both know that if they turn the light switch off over here, and we cannot respond conventionally, that they'll both have an explosive surplus of glass to put on the international market. Putin knows he'd leave his bunker just in time for the radiation levels to die down, but two late to escape the Polish troops that will be coming for his ass.
america has changed.

if we go to war with countries with real armies instead of jihad, we'll lose on the homefront.you have people who wont work at mcdonalds for a living wage because its not living wage of 70k a year. you think people are going to tolerate a rationing system after being able to buy whatever, whenever immediately? people freak out over a starbucks order, can you imagine when they can only get a tin of coffee, instant, type 3?

how well do you think a draft will work in 2021?
 
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Large

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As true as this is, I'm extremely inclined to believe that China will never attempt hacking our infrastructure in such a way as to cause permanent damage to our nation or arm roving bands with shotguns for the same purposes. They won't do it for the exact same reason why Russia has never had the Spetsnaz do it or why the Norks don't do it: they are absolutely terrified of the response they would get out of us.

After 9/11, nations were lining up left and right to not only support us, but also to assure us they had nothing to do with what happened. Adversarial nations were lining up at the White House to compete over who could suck Dubya off the best. This was only a little over a year after an election fiasco that split the nation.

China and Russia both know that if they turn the light switch off over here, and we cannot respond conventionally, that they'll both have an explosive surplus of glass to put on the international market. Putin knows he'd leave his bunker just in time for the radiation levels to die down, but two late to escape the Polish troops that will be coming for his ass.
There is Chinese and Russian irregular warfare going on in the US right now tho.
 

ArnoldPalmer

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we'll tear each other apart. with the government on collapse, people will police themselves and lots of looters are going to see that it was the big bad government protecting them.

im guessing well see stacks of bodies near "now entering...." signs like in chechnya.


america has changed.

if we go to war with countries with real armies instead of jihad, we'll lose on the homefront.you have people who wont work at mcdonalds for a living wage because its not living wage of 70k a year. you think people are going to tolerate a rationing system after being able to buy whatever, whenever immediately? people freak out over a starbucks order, can you imagine when they can only get a tin of coffee, instant, type 3?

how well do you think a draft will work in 2021?

It'll be pretty bad, but not as bad as you think. People are willing to give up every last bit of free agency they have just over a fucking germ. A real threat like a wartime draft is probably gonna go okay enough, simply because people are sheep and not for any honorable reason.
 

murdered meat bag

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It'll be pretty bad, but not as bad as you think. People are willing to give up every last bit of free agency they have just over a fucking germ. A real threat like a wartime draft is probably gonna go okay enough, simply because people are sheep and not for any honorable reason.
do you think bipocs are going to serve willingly? they rioted because they dont want to listen to police. do you think whites want to fight to ensure bipocs can riot whenever they want? you think anyone is going to appreciate losing their jobs to illegals because they had to go fight a war?

a third of military aged americans are too fat to enlist. some more have a disqualifying health issue. what remains is the fighting force ready to go to war.

people panick bought toliet paper, you think theyre not going to freak out over rationing?
 

ArnoldPalmer

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do you think bipocs are going to serve willingly? they rioted because they dont want to listen to police. do you think whites want to fight to ensure bipocs can riot whenever they want? you think anyone is going to appreciate losing their jobs to illegals because they had to go fight a war?

a third of military aged americans are too fat to enlist. some more have a disqualifying health issue. what remains is the fighting force ready to go to war.

people panick bought toliet paper, you think theyre not going to freak out over rationing?
It's all down to how much you're willing to distract them. People panic bought toilet paper for a month at most, and then turned around and told everyone else who did that, that they were killing grandma. And why? Because the media told them to stay indoors, mask up, live in a bubble, don't go to work, shut the entire world down, and never talk to anyone ever again. You can get people to hurt themselves just by convincing them that it's for the right reasons. Get the media to place the right spin on it, and these dumb cocksuckers will eat it up. You could probably convince these chimpanzees to be suicide bombers, depending on how your cards are played. People are fucking worthless, all it takes is to get them to believe they're worthless, but for a cause.

"I'm fighting to rid the world of terrorism!" "I'm fighting for diversity and inclusion!" "I'm fighting so I can come home and dismantle the police!" "I'm fighting uhcuz racisms!" Why do you fight? Ask a US Navy recruiter today.
Seriously, if the military markets itself like it's a social movement with some vague neoprogressive themeing, they have their audience overnight. The Ad Council does it for everything, even down to turning leaving the toilet seat up into a social movement. Your average person is so blindingly fucking reet-reet-mode that they WILL act on this impulse. You probably think I'm being overly cynical, but go ahead and turn the radio or TV on. Listen to the ads and PSAs. EVERYTHING is a social movement. Your antidepressant meds, your Jimmy John's down the street, your shampoo. We are united, and together, we'll rise up and sell product. You're not getting people to buckle their seatbelts, you're changing the world for the better! Look at all of those smiling african indigenous children. They're smiling because you're doing what the ad on TV says. You don't want them to frown, do you?

There's also the whole thing where the military is forcing themselves to ease back on prereqs so they can get more people in. Trannies, fatties, retards. You're warm meat, good enough. If you can't build up, build out. They'll get their numbers, even if they have to start military trials for a dilator with a dust cover.
 
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Haim Arlosoroff

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Look forward to one drone taking out a shitload of militia goobers if this ever goes down.
Yes, the Rural Arab Approach really is outdated. Decades ago it became better to organize in cities, rather than forlorn extremes of isolation. They are picked off like flies, the LGBT+ pilot will murder and murder in the name of Democracy-building and not question that they did anything wrong. LGBTQ philosophy is rather limited to sexuality and self-actualization that way. Subjectivity and Anti-depressants really create the best child-killing drone pilots, I'm surprised it took us this long to realize it.

However, in cities and by claiming free speech, a distributed network of like-minded individuals can both force the military repression and bleed it. When it is a non-conscription force who suicide rather than discuss what was done to women and children in the dirt roads of Iraq and Afghanistan, you can keep that going for decades. In a first world country, common perception and journalism have to resemble each other and the apparentness of the horror gets to be too much provided the 'accelerationists' keep escalating the responses. Algeria was lost by this. Not directly by the fighting, but by Opération Corse, the 1st Algiers putsch of May 1958, and the 2nd Algiers putsch of April 1961. Washington DC would be stressed by the lies becoming too readily falsifiable, and the response would be illegitimate shifts in power.

Nobody remembers that back in World War Two, Churchill proclaimed "France and Great Britain shall no longer be two nations, but one Franco-British Union. The constitution of the Union will provide for joint organs of defence, foreign, financial and economic policies. Every citizen of France will enjoy immediately citizenship of Great Britain, every British subject will become a citizen of France." The proposal of a Franco-British Union under British terms following the fall of Paris was a major contributing factor for the French to quickly surrender to Germany. Wild shifts in power, and insane proclamations, follow such times as an American civil war would bring. There are too many cooks in Washington, it spoils the broth.
 
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