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Ok the title is click bait, but as a few of us were having a conversation in the we wuz kangz thread I thought you guys might find this interesting.

Gobleki Tepe is the name of a site discovered in Turkey. Out of laziness I'll copy a bit of wikis page about it

Göbekli Tepe is regarded by some as an archaeological discovery of the greatest importance since it could profoundly change the understanding of a crucial stage in the development of human society. Ian Hodder of Stanford University said, "Göbekli Tepe changes everything".[3][40] If indeed the site was built by hunter-gatherers as some researchers believe then it would mean that the ability to erect monumental complexes was within the capacities of these sorts of groups which would overturn previous assumptions. Some researchers believe that the construction of Göbekli Tepe may have contributed to the later development of urban civilization, as excavator Klaus Schmidt put it, "First came the temple, then the city."[41]

Archaeologists believe that this maybe the site where Hunter and gatherers first settled and became farmers, paving the way for civilization as we know it. It has the oldest megaliths ever discovered and some of the first religious practices and shrines ever.

More fascinating than that even is the fact that through DNA testing on grains humans use throughout the world almost all can be traced to this spot, almost all the grain,barley etc may have been first cultivated here.

This may be the place where humans became more then just another animal. While calling it the garden of Eden is an admitted exaggeration, there's no doubt that this is one of most important discoveries in the field of archeology and a giant leap for mankind towards leaving the Neolithic Hunter gathering that almost all humans were at that point.

This kind of stuff fascinates me, the beginnings of culture,religion, cultivation, farming may all be traced to right here.

Thoughts? Doubts? Am I nerd?

Shit, can a mod get rid of the wiki link, i put it on the wrong spot and don't know how to remove :(
 

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I just read the wiki on the site and in-line with the snippet you quoted, the site is pure hunter gatherer. I didn't see anything except denials regarding domestication or farming or even anyone actually living there.

Definitely an amazing site, though. The reliefs are incredible for something that old. Everyone seems convinced it is religious but that's what they always think. If you'd look back through time using an archaeologist's lens, you'd think the species spent most of its time hunting and praying. With all the reliefs being predators and the large required work force to build the thing, my guess would be militant in nature, even though it pre-dates written language. Maybe something like military standards, recording the history of the legion of the fox/bull/whatever. That might also explain why whoever had the place last buried everything.
 

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Definitely an amazing site, though. The reliefs are incredible for something that old. Everyone seems convinced it is religious but that's what they always think. If you'd look back through time using an archaeologist's lens, you'd think the species spent most of its time hunting and praying. With all the reliefs being predators and the large required work force to build the thing, my guess would be militant in nature, even though it pre-dates written language. Maybe something like military standards, recording the history of the legion of the fox/bull/whatever. That might also explain why whoever had the place last buried everything.
The walls of Jericho were first built by Hunter-Gatherers, and they were ten feet thick and thirteen feet high and were 765 yards long. The Middle-East was a warzone even way back then.

And yeah, the whole "everything is religious" thing really gets old lol.
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This kind of stuff fascinates me, the beginnings of culture,religion, cultivation, farming may all be traced to right here.

Grains weren't the only staple crops to be domesticated, and I don't think any civilization can't claim to be the "first" to develop agriculture since generally the idea was discovered by multiple groups at different time periods despite existing in completely different continents (teosinthe in Mesoamerica, wild rice in China, barley in Sumer, tubers in South America).

Below is a map of "points of origin" for agriculture which occurred relatively at the same time thanks to a more hospitable climate.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_of_origin
 
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