Naltrexone is shit from what I have heard. It increases tolerance, so people drink more to get drunk and thus there is a better chance of OD'ing.Like I said, I am getting help soon. I did an inpatient thing before, it was pretty helpful, but I really, really don't have time for it right now :/ if it's essential than idk.
Naltrexone literally cuts my drinking in half. "Half" is still not a healthy amount but it's much, much better, so in that sense I find it extremely valuable.
It seems like what you guys like about AA is the group therapy aspect? If that's the case, I can agree with that; one of the most helpful things I found about inpatient were group sessions. But you can go to non-AA group sessions, you know.
is basically my experience with a non-AA group.
That doesn't seem right- from what I recall it's supposed to decrease tolerance and that's definitely been my experience. ~3 weeks ago my subscription ran out and my drinking immediately went off the the scale so i'd say that's decent evidence as well.Naltrexone is shit from what I have heard. It increases tolerance, so people drink more to get drunk and thus there is a better chance of OD'ing.
Look into acamprosate, instead.
I've never used naltrexone, so my comments are all third party, but I haven't heard good things about it. Having said that, it must work for some people, or it wouldn't be prescribed. If it does work for you, that's great.That doesn't seem right- from what I recall it's supposed to decrease tolerance and that's definitely been my experience. ~3 weeks ago my subscription ran out and my drinking immediately went off the the scale so i'd say that's decent evidence as well.
Heh, sounds exactly like traditional Judeo-Christian deism, and the deism often espoused in AA. If someone has hardships, it's the person's fault ultimately. If someone has a success, God is to be thanked for it. Far too many in AA have similar views about alcoholism and 12 Step success rates. If AA doesn't work for someone, they weren't honest enough and didn't try the program fervently enough.
I think that part of AA is off-putting for many people. It's hard to try to change something if you think you have no control over it.Yes, the very first step is to admit you are powerless to your addiction.
I agree with having lots of options. It's just that in America, it seems like it's the only option for people who are struggling. And it doesn't work for everybody.I am not one of these people lol, though I have been around addicts all my life and I know how sick and miserable they are and how sick they make everyone around them. I'll not only stick up for AA/NA, but I'll stick up for and promote any and all methods that give alcoholics and addicts satisfaction because I've seen how bad it gets for them. I don't think having a lot of options for addicts seeking help is a bad thing.
I'm not very familiar with the various pharmaceutical remedies for alcoholism, but I've never heard that about naltrexone. Also, it doesn't increase tolerance so much as decrease the brain's response to booze. It is supposed to turn off what causes alcoholics to compulsively drink endlessly once they start again.Naltrexone is shit from what I have heard. It increases tolerance, so people drink more to get drunk and thus there is a better chance of OD'ing.
Actually, his doctor probably could prescribe both. I don't understand that drug enough to comment much, but if it works in the same manner as the first, it might be what is needed to get him off alcohol completely (assuming it'd be safe for him to be on both). Though, that shouldn't be the only method of recovery, because...But I would still recommend looking into acamprosate (camprol I think?). It reduces cravings, and if you do drink, it tends to be much less.
That is one major reason someone should make the necessary internal changes to stay away from alcohol on their own. They might lose access to the medications for one reason or another. I hope you managed to get another prescription since you wrote that.~3 weeks ago my subscription ran out and my drinking immediately went off the the scale so i'd say that's decent evidence as well.
Well, yes, that's true. Those programs are not merely the literature and doctrine, but also the people and meetings. A meeting doesn't have to mirror the literature and Steps' wording and attitude precisely. However, the literature and Steps do very massively influence the general fellowship. The core literature is extremely deistic and diminishes the power of people, so as a consequence most in AA also have that general philosophy. Of course, everyone except the lunatics in AA understands that they are not automatons, and they have to rely on their own judgement and strength to live their lives to a large degree. They just don't feel they can succeed at sobriety and happiness in general without the awareness and intervention of God, generally.You said a lot here, I'll probably respond in more detail later on but I wanted to say that I think you are confusing the steps for the actual fellowship of the AA/NA meeting.
I'm familiar with the chip ceremony. I never said they ritualized that in that manner, though a fair number of the blue/year chip takers will assert God and their allegiance to God allows them to remain sober.They don't stop the person and tell them to get down on one knee and thank God for "allowing" them to stay clean. I don't know where you are getting that from.
Oh, yes, I'm not arguing with you at all there. Especially for people who have additional mental illness and are highly estranged from humanity, that kind of camaraderie is extremely important. 12 Step programs very much facilitate service and participation. People who might not readily have any other opportunities to be useful to other people, will always have a clubhouse or meeting to utilize in such a manner, which bolsters their social experience as well as happiness. This is something that the secular alternatives just can't offer, especially at their current sizes.The main thing about it is the connections people make with their peers, the therapeutic element of meditation, prayer, and venting your frustration to a completely open and nonjudgmental group who exist outside of your normal circle. A lot of alcoholics/addicts turn into isolated people, so just getting them to break that habit of being isolated and getting them outside the house is a good thing that I'm sure a lot of them would normally avoid.
Oh, I will be the first one to point out their merits and advantages, as well as the first to point out their defects. I think the 12 Step model (disregarding the God versus human debate) is not intrinsically bad, and those organizations have several customs and cultural traits which make them highly meritorious and well-functioning. The problem at least in AA is its literature and dogma. The rejection of the power of people and their capability to improve their own lives, and the rejection of the validity of anything not God-centered, severely limit its range of appeal and effectiveness. Its overarching message and orientation grievously sabotage it, and they are overall extremely unwilling to adapt and modernize. Would you want your psychotherapist to treat you using 1930's medical texts and theories?Every comment here (for the most part) has been badmouthing AA/NA or knocking them in favor of some alternative method.
I'm not actually sure what was intended when Bill W. and his contemporaries created the 1st Step and used the word "powerless". To me, it's not really an assertion that one is totally and utterly incapable of helping themselves, but that there will never be such a thing as successful usage of alcohol or whatever else the addiction is. If an alcoholic drinks, alcohol will win every time, and there is nothing which will change that. That's what it means to me and I would imagine most people in such programs.I think that part of AA is off-putting for many people. It's hard to try to change something if you think you have no control over it.
That isn't power leveling at all. Don't listen to that nonsense, people overuse that term here. What you are asking is completely relevant to the discussion going on. You aren't revealing embarrassing personal information on a completely unrelated topic, this whole thread has been about alcoholism, addiction, AA/NA, etcetera.I want her to get better, but I don't want to be forceful. I'm trying to get her to go to meetings with me...
It can be very difficult when both partners have addictions and have a tenuous grasp on sobriety. I've also heard from multiple people with experience in this general area that meth is the most difficult addiction to deal with, because the drug is so powerful and the effects from abuse of it are so extensive and persistent. Alcoholism is apparently relatively easy to address in comparison to meth addiction.I'm an alcoholic. I hung out with my ex today who is addicted to meth.
Even though her DoC is different from yours, it's highly risky for someone early in recovery to have a significant other who is in active addiction. She might inadvertently threaten your sobriety unless she enters recovery as well. I'm not advocating any decision regarding that, but it's a factor you should contemplate, preferably while also seeking the advice of people in recovery alongside you.I want her to get better, but I don't want to be forceful. I'm trying to get her to go to meetings with me...
Actually, I suggest several meetings are attended at different times and places. It's very bad if someone bases their attitude and future attendance on one particular meeting due to sheer variances and diversity. A good group/meeting might be mediocre or bad once in a while, or someone might happen to choose a group which is too rigid/liberal for their tastes. Clubhouses and meetings have varying cultures and customs, not just on "primary purpose" issues, but on all sorts of other matters.Just try and talk her into attending one meeting with you to see what its all about. After all, its only one hour of her time and she may actual get something out of it. The worst that can happen is she doesn't dig it and she won't want to return, which is fine.
Actually, I suggest several meetings are attended at different times and places. It's very bad if someone bases their attitude and future attendance on one particular meeting due to sheer variances and diversity. A good group/meeting might be mediocre or bad once in a while, or someone might happen to choose a group which is too rigid/liberal for their tastes. Clubhouses and meetings have varying cultures and customs, not just on "primary purpose" issues, but on all sorts of other matters.
There have been some meetings I've sat in which caused me to think to myself, "Oh, I really hope no newcomers are here. This would be a horrible first meeting to be in.". And that's happened with many people. They come into a shitshow for their first meeting, and then never come back. That's not reasonable, of course, but people aren't in a good state if they're needing help with drinking/using.That is actually really good advice. I only suggested getting her to go to that first meeting with that gentleman to "get over the hump" and find out about what they really are about. Good call though.
While emotional dysfunction definitely can be the direct cause of someone abusing substances or going back to using them, people with genuine and full addiction/alcoholism cannot moderate even when everything is splendid. Some people just have that disease and the only solution is abstinence. Going back to the first part of your comment, I do think some in recovery are overly self-critical or view any of their excesses as a symptom of their disease.That being said, staying there forever will only hold you back and make you afraid to make all sorts of benign choices. Much easier to get treatment for the underlying reason you use the drug habitually.
Isn't it very common for victims of child abuse, especially child sexual abuse and victims of domestic violence and/or rape to have addictions to deal with the emotional pain and even the PTSD they have from the trauma. Of course not all addicts are abuse victims but from what I researched a very large percentage of them have dealt with some kind of traumatic experience as a child or even as an adult. But I do believe most addiction problems can be treated better with more mental health awareness and realizing that child abuse (especially if it is sexual or physical abuse) and other traumatic experiences can be a major factor that can trigger substance abuse and other severe mental health problems.
It's really hard to have a discussion about addiction without powerlevelling. Almost everyone knows or is an addict, and very few people know the science behind it, so without personal stories the entire discussion would just be "I think addiction is bad" or "drugs seem pretty cool" over and over.Okay. I'm gonna power level quite a bit here. But that's kind of what this thread is about, right?
My addiction is alcohol. Which is why I know about acamprosate and naltrexone (via third party).
I am going to group 3 times a week, one-to-one counseling once a week and meetings when I can.
That said, it's still a struggle. People who don't have the disease rarely understand, and that makes it worse. I could ramble on but...
I'm an alcoholic. I hung out with my ex today who is addicted to meth.
She originally told me she didn't want to get better, but today she was more open to it. She mentioned marriage and family (I honestly don't know if it was directed at me)
I want her to get better, but I don't want to be forceful. I'm trying to get her to go to meetings with me...
Not interested in becoming a sex addict, famFind your hole. Fill it with good stuff
Well, I saw her again tonight. And it was clear there was nothing between us. Would I like there to be? Yes. But my first priority is my and her sobriety.It's really hard to have a discussion about addiction without powerlevelling. Almost everyone knows or is an addict, and very few people know the science behind it, so without personal stories the entire discussion would just be "I think addiction is bad" or "drugs seem pretty cool" over and over.
Two addicts being together, unless you are really stable that just seems like a recipe for disaster to me. I would try to encourage her when you can, but as I'm sure you know, you can lead a horse to water, etc.
Not interested in becoming a sex addict, fam
My biggest issue with being sober atm is just being fucking bored.