ADF and Homelessness (or lack of) -

[melty]

One topic I've seen come up a few times recently is whether or not ADF is still homeless and living under a bridge. A few people speculate he may have some type of roof over his head that is not a bridge or overpass. This thread is to discuss whether or not ADF is really homeless and what his living conditions are like. If we determine that he is or isn't homeless (he posts a picture of his living conditions, for example) discussion will move to discussing what said conditions are like (Portland has a pretty wide variety of homeless camps, and if he is staying with someone or something it's likely a shithole)

Evidence he is NOT homeless right now:
-He hasn't discussed his homelessness in awhile. It is extremely unlikely he would pass on the opportunity to talk about some kind of oppression he's facing, especially if it's real and he doesn't have to go to all that trouble of making it up. This is probably the biggest piece of evidence he's not currently homeless.
-He ordered some bondage equipment online and shipping companies require addresses
-He recently posted a picture that appears to be in some kind of crude structure that is not a retail establishment, hotel room, or tattoo parlor.

Evidence he IS homeless right now:
-He spends what little money he has on incredibly stupid shit, making it unlikely he is able to afford rent
-FedEx failed to deliver said bondage equipment, possibly because they do not deliver packages beneath bridges
-Where does he store all that bondage equipment anyway? He's way too fat and out of shape to be lugging it around everywhere.
-He has no friends and none of the asspat brigade ever want to take him in

 

[Trombonista]

He probably stays in hotels for a few days each month.

 

[Coldgrip]

I think he mainly uses hotels and motels to sleep in, when that fails he couch surfs. He finds someone that can tolerate him or pities him and spends his nights there until either he moves before he completely wears out his welcome or after he wears out his welcome. When he can't find somebody to mooch off or doesn't have enough money for a place of he tries his luck at the city's shelters.

The few odd nights where he has no luck he spends outside, but I'm willing to bet it isn't under a bridge. A bridge that is relatively dry and sheltered is a prime place for the homeless to sleep in. Someone like Phil, who takes pride in acting like an insufferable asshole, he'd get his ass beat or stabbed pretty fast. If not for those reasons then for the fact that he carries around a bunch of expensive bondage gear and an expensive phone. It'd be like a piggy bank walking up to them and saying how much money he has and that all they would need to do to get that money would be to crack him open.

Now, I realize that this hypothesis has a few flaws, most notable is that had Phil been kicked out of anywhere he'd of made a facebook post about it. But I maintain that Phil is just a spoiled (and soiled) entitled manbaby that likes to pretend he's the most oppressed person in the world and that when the going gets rough he turns tail and runs to the nearest Motel 6.

 

[Zeorus]

Just curious for opinions - would Phil's complete and utter lack of hygiene be evidence of homelessness and autism...or just autism?

 

[EI 903]

Just curious for opinions - would Phil's complete and utter lack of hygiene e be evidence of homelessness and autism...or just autism?

Just autism. Nick Bate was never homeless, and he took worse care of himself than Phil does.

 

[Yawning Asperchu]

Just curious for opinions - would Phil's complete and utter lack of hygiene be evidence of homelessness and autism...or just autism?

Has a home:

Edit:

Spoiler: Off Topic

Dat forehead...Chris always looks like he's just taken up boxing.

 

[Baguette]

And that fried, thirsty ass hair... damn.

Edit: I'm a retard who fucks up post quoting on my phone.

 

[Konstantinos]

I imagine that what little of his income he devotes to feeding himself gets spent on fast food. If you're hella poor and you don't have a very firm grasp on how food affects your body, Mickey D's can be an attractive food source. Its cheap and it would explain why he looks progressively fatter and greasier in every new picture of him.

Has a home:
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Right, but for how long?

 

[Iamthatis]

I've never understood how the AP brigade doesn't incure his wrath by not providing him with free housing. Isn't it transphobic of them to let a poor defenseless and targeted Latinix stay with them for free?

 

[ASU]

Here's some homelessness sperging based on things I've seen traveling around:

Spoiler

Homeless people tend to clique up loosely. You'll have shelter homeless that stay primarily in shelters and they tend to look down on outside homeless. The outside homeless feel the shelter homeless don't have any freedom (you usually can't stay in a shelter if you're obviously drunk or on drugs, although in big cities this is easier to get away with sometimes). People who do meth will usually group up, people who do heroin will group up, etc, and all these groups will claim a separate park or underpass or spot by some drainage ditch just outside of town or whatever. Then there are other delineations like homeless who busk/beg vs. homeless who recycle. They won't usually sleep in the same spots because the ones who recycle look down on the beggars, and buskers usually get offered couches to sleep on. All this is complicated by numbers; one homeless won't get the cops called. Two may, especially if they're drinking. Three or more in a place where it's not cool is a bad idea. So outside of a few super liberal places in California/Oregon these groups have to be semi-spread out wherever they lurk during the day to keep the heat down so they can drink/do drugs/whatever. There are other groups where something other than the type of drug used determines whether you're cool or not. Gutter punks, which is what Phil is, are one of these groups.

Wherever you sleep is called your camp. Camps have a thousand things you have to learn to stay safe. You have to carry your bike in and out so you don't leave tracks for cops to follow. If local kids or cops find it your stuff will usually be trashed or thrown away. You can't just assume you're welcome in anyone elses camp. Even if you get invited in if just one person later complains about you, you'll probably have to pack your shit and move a few hundred feet away or whatever. No one wants some weirdo near their stuff even if they don't own much.

Most homeless don't have to be homeless. It's a vary rare person, usually one who hasn't gotten into the system or who has fallen through the cracks somehow, who really has to be out there. Most street kids give up on being outside and go back home within a year or two. It is a very degrading life. It is humiliating to sit in a field watching some rich family play with their dog. The dog has toys, a house, a yard, a vet, you're sitting in a field waiting to die. People just snap out there from the pressure of it. Start screaming and end up getting put on a psych hold or tossed in county for an evening. People with pre-existing mental issues don't last. People without them may discover they have some while they're out there. Few things I've seen are as depressing as surviving off of shit you take out of a dumpster, then getting so injured you can't even dig in the garbage anymore.

Phil probably is known by a lot of these different groups of homeless in every town he goes to. He's probably semi-welcome in some as long as he doesn't steal. His hygiene will have him be looked down on by all except other gutter punks. The gutter punks may or may not care. Most of them will have heroin or meth problems and nearly everyone out there drinks to pass the time. I haven't been to Oregon so maybe there's some straightedge homeless scene or something, I've never heard of anything like that, though; most homeless would treat you like you were an undercover cop if you tried. Anyway, so Phil's absolutely known to these people because cops use homeless as informants for all kinds of shit, so about the only thing functional out there is the police/snitch intelligence network. The cops will use this to learn about drug dealers, new homeless in the area, prostitutes, and chomos (child molesters) so every new homeless that comes through the area will have a ton of eyes on them and not even be aware of it. So all of his background info and all that has already been gone through, quietly, by the second day he's in a new area. He'll be judged in 1000 different ways, think prison life basically. Keep your head up, don't challenge people, don't be a punk, don't talk to the police. Phil bragging that he reported the GG driveby to the police is a huge no-no, any group that learns of it that does drugs or is into prostitution will kick him out and he'll be permanently persona-non-grata. However, that's only groups that know about it, and homeless don't tend to be the most computer literate, so he may be more or less ok so far.

To sum this all up before I sit here typing all night, Phil is probably somewhat welcome or tolerated out there. Not everywhere, not even in most places, but he'll know many rats nests and somewhere among them will likely be one that will let him set up camp on their outskirts. The most damaging thing anyone could probably do to him in that regard is to let the homeless in the areas he camps in know he's a snitch. Unless that happens somehow, or unless it's already happened, there's no reason I'm aware of to assume that he's totally unwelcome everywhere he goes. Yes he's obnoxious and a hundred other negative things but unless you're a thief or a snitch or a chomo people out there tend to try to tolerate others like themselves, so Phil probably fits in fine with the ultra-liberal SJW-y punk scene in at least some of the places he goes to. That scene may only be a handful of people, other trannies or whatever, but those type of homeless cliques exist even in mid-sized towns in most of the West Coast so I'm quite sure there's a much larger scene up in the larger cities of Oregon.

 

[Coldgrip]

...so Phil probably fits in fine with the ultra-liberal SJW-y punk scene in at least some of the places he goes to.

I'm willing to wager he doesn't actually. From what I can tell, up here in Oregon the ultra-liberal SJW punk types are nearly all well to do kids that have their parents money to blow on "punk" clothing. Their snobbishness would cause them to shun Phil as a poor person. The other groups in Portland might tolerate him for a while, but Phil has been known to do stupid shit (like mention going to the police, flashing around expensive items) so it would only be a matter of time before he'd have to leave the area he's in for safer pastures.

Spoiler: Slightly OT:

Portland is really the only place in Oregon he could survive. Places like Albany or Salem, while fairly safe have enough aggressive homeless that would get into a fight with Phil either for his stuff or for the fun of it. Places like Lincoln City have homeless groups used to living in the woods, either are meth-heads or deal regularly deal with meth-heads, and deal pretty regularly with the local police. Someone like him would be welcomed just long enough for his stuff to be scoped out and then looted and left out in the woods. And I highly doubt Phil has any woodland survival capabilities.

 

[ASU]

I can't say that Phils social life is something I want to defend, but he can't afford to buy a room every night and while he might sometimes get couch offers he's got too many problems for anyone to put up with him indoors for long. As for danger, if he were really as at risk as all that he'd have already been stabbed. He'd be so busy dealing with actual real life meth-heads that he wouldn't need to make shit up about GG for pity points on facebook.

The pudgy fucker isn't going without food, either, and he's apparently not so depressed that he's lost his appetite. He's able to travel around when he feels unsafe even for BS reasons which as far as I'm aware is usually what prompts him to move. When I've seen people get kicked out of camps bladed weapons were involved but no one swung, no one except a literal psycho or crackhead wants to go toe-to-toe with a crazed tranny with a knife like Phil. It's all fun and games until someone pulls a blade, and stabs from exceptional people are as deadly as stabs from anyone else.

It's impossible to say for sure since he'd lie as easily as think, but from what he posts his biggest threat is the Kiwi Farms stalkers. For a dude supposedly living under bridges and crap (which, those aren't always prime real estate, due to drunk people pissing and shitting under them all day if they're actually remote at all, but they might be crowded when it rains) if his biggest worry is what people say on the internet, he's doing pretty damn well by homeless standards.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

I imagine that what little of his income he devotes to feeding himself gets spent on fast food.

Phil has made a bitstrip about his self insert getting some "self care" at an ice cream parlor.

 

[Batman VS Tony Danza]

The most bizarre thing is he isn't homeless due to no regular income, falling through the cracks, drugs, or any reason most homeless people are. If Phil is actually homeless then it's just because he's that fucking stupid. With 1k a month you can afford an apartment and utilities with some left over. He has food stamps too so that helps cover another necessity. If you're on disability then you get free health coverage, your prescriptions covered, free doctor visits, free visits to a shrink, and a free non-smartphone with unlimited texting and 250 minutes every months.

By comparison to the average homeless person, Phil is very privileged. If he was actually homeless then why doesn't he have a few homeless friends who hang around him in hopes of some loose cash coming their way? I'm sure they'd get something before Phil blew it all on bondage gear and tattoos. Phil is a perfect target for a greedy fair weather friend because he is constantly seeking recognition.

Something ain't right.

 

[Morbid Boredom]

The ETHOS Definition and Classification of Homelessness: An Analysis
It's written by two academics at the University of Otago in Wellington, NZ... Kiwis.

On page 10, there's a chart that breaks down the degrees of "homelessness" -Phil probably flips between classifications 1, 3, and 8. (Outside, in a motel, and couch-surfing).

 

[Peace and Harmony]

Here's some homelessness sperging based on things I've seen traveling around:

Semper fidelis. This is a great summary and convinces me that it is not really possible that Phil is "permanently" homeless, i.e. he might spend a lot of time wandering around but he definitely has places he can go to crash into slumber if he needs to. Considering he seems to travel around with Jordman fairly often, I would say that he's spent some time stinking up his apartment. I have a very, very hard time imagining that this privileged white boy would survive one night in a camp without coming to grievous bodily harm (other than that which has already subjected himself to).

Just autism. Nick Bate was never homeless, and he took worse care of himself than Phil does.

This as well. We're all mentally used to associating lack of hygiene with lack of access (i.e. being homeless) but Phil is just a filthy fuck.

Finally: if Phil is known for anything at all, it's lying to get oppression points. I couldn't say where exactly he's crashing, but he is.

 

[Morbid Boredom]

Additionally, Phil does have the option to literally camp.

Oregon has lots of state parks, and I found some in the Portland metro area that are open year-round. Phil is carrying a massive backpack, which might have a small tent -tent sites are $19.00, and even if that's only per day that's far less than a night at a motel. This time of year, he could spend any night he can't find a couch in the great outdoors -this would also explain how he runs up his phone bill -there's no wifi at the campsites so he'd have to use his data plan.

 

[melty]

Additionally, Phil does have the option to literally camp.

Oregon has lots of state parks, and I found some in the Portland metro area that are open year-round. Phil is carrying a massive backpack, which might have a small tent -tent sites are $19.00, and even if that's only per day that's far less than a night at a motel. This time of year, he could spend any night he can't find a couch in the great outdoors -this would also explain how he runs up his phone bill -there's no wifi at the campsites so he'd have to use his data plan.

I don't think he'd even have to buy a site. Portland has a ton of homeless tents, I see them everywhere, on streets and I'm the middle of the city and stuff. So this tent thing is possible.

 

[Sanae Kochiya]

I imagine that given how Phil finds some way to post on FB every so often to bitch about us, he must have somewhere to spend the night that has electicity of some kind.

That or he's one of those people that goes into fast food places and sits by the outlets, charging all of his shit.

 

[melty]

I figured I'd share a little more about homelessness in Portland. I'm not an expert and haven't really lived here that long but maybe someone will find it informative or someone else can add to it later.
Homeless people are EVERYWHERE. This was a big surprise to me moving to the west coast. I've been to a bunch of different cities and I think this one has the most homeless I've ever seen. From what I understand, it's partly because the climate is mild all year around, and the police don't really do much about it. I don't know the politics of it or why but that seems to be the case. It's an extremely liberal city and people seem generous, I see random free shit laying around all the time, they have a free book box program, stuff like that. Also public drinking fountains.
At any rate I literally don't leave my house without seeing multiple homeless people, even if just going to the corner store. It's not like I live in a bad area or anything either, they're just everywhere near the city center. It's not uncommon to see people sleeping in random places. If there is a comfy patch of grass in a somewhat quiet area there is a good chance someone is sleeping there. But you also see people sleeping on the street, in the doorways of businesses, etc. One time I took my friend and her kid to a park and there were 3 different guys sleeping around different parts of the park and no one even cared. It was a pretty nice park too. You may not be able to sleep there at night though.
There are homeless shelters, soup kitchens and the like and they always seem super crowded. As I mentioned before some people have tents. I've seen tents in a bunch of different places- under bridges, and just around, like maybe by an abandoned building. There are sometimes more permanent structures made with scrap wood, shopping carts, blankets and stuff. I imagine if you leave one up too long the police will do something about it but I don't really know. A lot of people have sleeping bags and sometimes you see mattresses under bridges.
People are homeless for different reasons, some are crazy, some are probably drug users, some are just down on their luck, but there are also people who just like living freely/off the grid or whatever. Basically homeless by choice. Or stupidity, in Hooves' case.
Anyway, I don't really know that much so that's just what I've observed. So there are a few options for Hoovesy when he doesn't have a place to stay. The tent thing could be what's going on. I would be willing to bet he has a sleeping bag at least. So he could find a storefront to hole up by if he can't find a place to stay for the night. The bridges within the city always have multiple homeless people staying under them at night and based on what @ASU said I don't know if they'd want Hoovesy. But further away from the city idk what the situation is.
Like I said shelters seem full but I don't know for sure, maybe he could stay at one of those sometimes.
I don't know about charging - that's a good point. Hooves is not so badly off, I can see him going to some fast food place or cheap restaurant every day and charging it there. Maybe he even has one of those portable batteries? Otherwise I have no idea how he doesn't bitch about running out of battery given how much he uses the thing.
Today Hooves posted about being at something called "Rose Haven" which is apparently a center for homeless women but I don't think you can sleep there, just eat and stuff.