Culture Alibaba founder defends overtime work culture as 'huge blessing' - Because Chinamen have the ancient gift of overworking

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If you work so much that you can’t enjoy the fruits of your labor until you’re old and shrivelled up, you’re wasting your life. Also, it’s easier to work long hours when you’re on the top and don’t have to do mind-numbing, menial tasks. Twelve hours a day of meetings and business dinners is not as physically and mentally taxing.

Lastly, dedicating your entire existence to your work is significantly easier when you’re a disfigured Chinese manlet and no woman would touch your willy unless you shower her with cash.

We have only one life. Don’t waste yours slaving away for some mongoloid chink.
 

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There's also a difference between working 80-100 hours a week starting your own business and working 80 hours a week for a company and only getting paid for 40 because your "exempt", you're called lazy if you only work 60 hours, and you still have zero job security.
 

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Koreans are into overtime culture too, they even sometimes mock the Japanese work ethic by calling them lazy! I don't remember if dying from overworking is a thing in South Korea too though.
Japan and China both have this weird problem with people being promoted into useless roles that I didn't see much in Korea. No, nobody is going home before the boss does but a lot of office workers in Japan just don't....do anything useful during the workday. China has a related problem where people are promoted into roles they can't actually perform, so they just kinda malinger and dodge work duties for hours and hours on end.

I imagine this is the reason they burn out so fast. Working 12-hr shifts is pretty common in the healthcare industry but at least you're doing something.
 

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Japan and China both have this weird problem with people being promoted into useless roles that I didn't see much in Korea. No, nobody is going home before the boss does but a lot of office workers in Japan just don't....do anything useful during the workday. China has a related problem where people are promoted into roles they can't actually perform, so they just kinda malinger and dodge work duties for hours and hours on end.

I imagine this is the reason they burn out so fast. Working 12-hr shifts is pretty common in the healthcare industry but at least you're doing something.
You see a lot of that in high end corporate culture in America as well. People who busted their ass on finance tend to be really melancholy since their job is nothing but numbers smithing for money they could burn if they earned half their present salary anyway.
 
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Koreans are into overtime culture too, they even sometimes mock the Japanese work ethic by calling them lazy! I don't remember if dying from overworking is a thing in South Korea too though.
Koreans just kill themselves before dying from overwork. Long work hours in South Korea is actually a serious problem, while Japan is pretty average even with the whole "karoshi" thing.

Japan and China both have this weird problem with people being promoted into useless roles that I didn't see much in Korea. No, nobody is going home before the boss does but a lot of office workers in Japan just don't....do anything useful during the workday. China has a related problem where people are promoted into roles they can't actually perform, so they just kinda malinger and dodge work duties for hours and hours on end.

I imagine this is the reason they burn out so fast. Working 12-hr shifts is pretty common in the healthcare industry but at least you're doing something.
It's like Asians are just bad at stress. Even after getting drunk from two pints of less than 5% ABV beer after work, they'll fall asleep on the train. Meanwhile, Eastern Europeans work like dogs and keep going after two liters of vodka in the snow.
 

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Chinese tech employees are pushing back against the industry’s notoriously long hours, known as the “996” schedule of working from 9am to 9pm, six days a week.

Over the past few weeks, a project that began in part as a joke among tired Chinese developers has turned into a nationwide debate about work culture and a rare protest against practices at some of the country’s largest companies.

In late March, a group of developers started a project on the code-sharing platform Github called “996.icu” – a reference to a comment by a programmer that working such a schedule could land an employee in the intensive care unit.

The discussion gained momentum, as users added to a blacklist of more than 150 companies that push their staff to work excessive hours, posting evidence of unpaid, often compulsory or heavily encouraged overtime.

According to Chinese law, businesses should not allow their staff to work more than eight hours a day or 40 hours a week, and overtime is restricted to 36 hours a month.

But former and current employees of companies included on the blacklist – including Bytedance, the creator of the video app TikTok, Huawei and the e-commerce platform Pinduoduo – say such laws are regularly flouted.

Users have uploaded screenshots of conversations where employers ask them to work late in the evening. Each company listed is given a number for the type of hours they tend to push, in some cases beyond the 996 work schedule.

Ant Financial, a financial services company affiliated with Alibaba, is listed as having a “9106” work schedule – starting at 9am, ending at 10pm, for six days a week. In another case, staff at a software firm in Shandong province said they were required to work more than 100 hours of overtime in a month.

The long hours at Chinese tech firms are a relatively new development as China’s tech industry has expanded with startups modelling themselves more after those in Silicon Valley.

Chinese tech companies are known for encouraging an obsession with work: Huawei reportedly promotes an aggressive, cut-throat “wolf culture” among its ranks.

Chinese tech executives have defended the long hours at their companies. Jack Ma, the founder of Alibaba, one of the companies included in the blacklist, called the 996 schedule “a huge blessing” and said workers should consider it an honour rather than a burden.

Alibaba founder Jack Ma said employees should be ready to work 12 hours a day, ‘otherwise why did you come to Alibaba?’
Jack Ma said employees should be ready to work 12 hours a day, ‘otherwise why did you come to Alibaba?’ Photograph: Imaginechina/REX/Shutterstock
“If you join Alibaba, you should get ready to work 12 hours a day. Otherwise why did you come to Alibaba? We don’t need those who comfortably work eight hours,” he said, according to comments posted on the company’s Wechat account on Friday.

Richard Liu, the founder of the Chinese e-commerce company JD.com, also defended the 996 schedule. In a note on Friday, Liu recalled how in the early days of the company he would wake up every two hours so that he could offer customers a 24-hour service.

Liu said that since then, the number of “slackers” in his company had grown. “If this carries on, JD will have no hope and the company will be heartlessly kicked out of the market! Slackers are not my brothers.”

As China’s economy has slowed and bubbles have emerged in the tech sector, more employees are starting to reconsider the merits of working long hours.

“They [employees] were willing to accept long hours when business was good and they were being well rewarded but that is not the case any more. Staff are being laid off and pay is stagnating so staff are less willing to work as hard,” said Geoffrey Crothall of China Labour Bulletin.

The debate has spread across Chinese social media, where many users have criticised the tech industry’s work culture as “inhumane”. Even Chinese state media has weighed in. In an editorial on Sunday the People’s Daily said: “Employees who object to 996 cannot be labelled as ‘slackers’ or ‘not fighters’. Their real needs should be considered.”

The topic has also prompted a broader debate about the kind of work-life balance – or lack of it – engendered by Chinese companies.

One user commented on the discussion forum Zhihu: “Most of today’s companies are machines that cannot stop running. We are all screws on top. If the screw is rusty, just polish it, put a little lubricant on, then twist it on again and use it. If it breaks, they’ll find a new screw to replace you. The machine cannot stop.”
“Chinese tech executives have defended the long hours at their companies. Jack Ma, the founder of Alibaba, one of the companies included in the blacklist, called the 996 schedule “a huge blessing” and said workers should consider it an honour rather than a burden.”

Holy shit, how delusional are some of these corporate executives? “It’s an honor to spend virtually all of your time working for pennies to make me even richer.” I’m sure workers totally agree with that and don’t despise you at all.

At this point I’m rooting for the next workers’ revolution to get more rights and better pay. It’s just ridiculous that so many people work themselves to the bone and barely have anything to show for it while a handful of millionaires and billionaires get even richer.
 

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“Chinese tech executives have defended the long hours at their companies. Jack Ma, the founder of Alibaba, one of the companies included in the blacklist, called the 996 schedule “a huge blessing” and said workers should consider it an honour rather than a burden.”

Holy shit, how delusional are some of these corporate executives? “It’s an honor to spend virtually all of your time working for pennies to make me even richer.” I’m sure workers totally agree with that and don’t despise you at all.

At this point I’m rooting for the next workers’ revolution to get more rights and better pay. It’s just ridiculous that so many people work themselves to the bone and barely have anything to show for it while a handful of millionaires and billionaires get even richer.
Tbh a new communist revolution in China would be the most hilariously confusing war in history.
 

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China has the highest volume of trade in the world, the biggest labor pool in the world, has plenty of high-tech cities, high-speed trains, basically its own internet, and that it has billionaires in its parliament, and they're mirroring Western imperialism, and they have wealth inequality worse than the US, and their economy is flat-out profit-centered… but dude, I swear, they're actually socialist. It's three-dimensional Go, they're going to betray capitalism and install communism any decade now…

Oh and they have Blackwater, the biggest Private Military Porky, torturing Muslims.
 

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Tbh a new communist revolution in China would be the most hilariously confusing war in history.
I wish the east wouldn't be so extreme with their shit

the """socialist""" protests in the west usually ended with strengthening workers rights within the system while the east just tear down fucking everything trying to rebuild society with an entirely new system.

either way tho, I think we'd just see democratic demands like the tiananmen square people rather than an actual communist uprising.
 
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