Amazon's Invincible - thoughts?

[The High Prophet of Truth]

I thought Season 1 was decent, but I know Season 2 and Season 3 will be awful.

 

[Express RX-78]

At least with the Mauler Twins, sometimes the heroes or the good guys try to kill them, hence why the survivor has to clone himself to produce another.

Well shit you got me there. I forgot how many times they've died already, plus how they get left alive because they don't end up doing evil stuff all the time.

but I know Season 2 and Season 3 will be awful

Any reasons why?

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

You'd think they would have realised that giving characters conviction and making things fun to read are going to make people like your work.

That does not mean they take it seriously. No one takes 40k or Dreed seriously. They just aren't horrified by it because if they were they would never have read the work in the first place.

How writers always miss this is baffling to me.

That's the problem with satire; eventually, someone will take those characters out of context and focus on the cool factor. Especially if you made them into badass guys with big guns, someone somewhere is going to love them for who they are. You could have made these characters as a parody of over-the-top action movies, but people who love said movies are going to love your work for the wrong reasons.

Oh, you'll be surprised to see how many people take 40K or Dredd seriously. Down to the point of missing the message that those works were originally meant to have.

I hope it doesn't follow the books. It got boring when Omni-Man left for ages and then got real convoluted.

If I were to venture a guess, they're going to somehow follow the bare outline of the books while making a few changes here and there to make things more plausible.

I thought Season 1 was decent, but I know Season 2 and Season 3 will be awful.

Based on your knowledge of future storylines?

Well shit you got me there. I forgot how many times they've died already, plus how they get left alive because they don't end up doing evil stuff all the time.

Exactly. If you want to have villains that you can re-use despite the heroes and the law trying to kill them, why not create a way for them to come back from the dead? Or at least, in the Mauler Twins' case, clone themselves to make up for dead men?

 

[The High Prophet of Truth]

Any reasons why?

Based on your knowledge of future storylines?

Both because it seems to be a pattern with recent shows that start off OK and because Robert Kirkman does not know how to end stories. I've read only two of his comics and both ended with him doing a time skip over major events.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Both because it seems to be a pattern with recent shows that start off OK and because Robert Kirkman does not know how to end stories. I've read only two of his comics and both ended with him doing a time skip over major events.

That's a problem. Especially if what I've seen from the future storylines of Invincible, it's a repast of things like Dragon Ball Z.

Spoiler: FUTURE EVENTS

Dealing with a violent alien race that has its own empire, coupled with dealing with your dad who was a killer and who has royal blood in his veins. It's Dragon Ball Z all over again.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

I still think it would have been a more interesting take if Debbie and Mark had sided with Omni-Man and they'd set about making utopia.

Such stories are rare.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I still think it would have been a more interesting take if Debbie and Mark had sided with Omni-Man and they'd set about making utopia.

Such stories are rare.

My thoughts exactly. Imagine Mark and Debbie making such harsh decisions, alienating almost everyone they know, just to side with Omni-Man because they think it can create a better future for the world once the Viltrumites arrive, that's the kind of story that I'd be fully invested in, instead of the whole "Empire bad" thing that's been done to death by the time of the early 2000s. It was cute when Star Wars and Star Trek did it back then, but now, you need to add more to the formula or it gets tired and boring. Another evil empire story. Boo-hoo.

That's why I wanted Nolan to go full Darth Sidious and use pawns to take out the Guardians and the world governments so he could swoop in, wipe out the villains, take over Earth, and have it join Viltrum. Because at least, if the story was going with the rather bland "evil empire" route, the least they can do is make the would-be evil conqueror smart, combining aspects of Regime Superman and Palpatine to make Earth's assimilation into the Viltrum Empire go over smooth and steady.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

My thoughts exactly. Imagine Mark and Debbie making such harsh decisions, alienating almost everyone they know, just to side with Omni-Man because they think it can create a better future for the world once the Viltrumites arrive,

Indeed. Heck, Mark ends up ruling over space utopia anyway in the comics, the big bad’s final problem is Nolan being the rightful ruler of Viltrum causing conflict between Earth and Viltrum and Nolan learns to properly care for species and realise his errors so it's not like going the route of Nolan convincing them would change the end point. If anything it would have just ensured we see Nolan's development fully on screen.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Indeed. Heck, Mark ends up ruling over space utopia anyway in the comics, the big bands final problem is Nolan being the rightful ruler of Viltrum causing conflict between Earth and Viltrum and Nolan learns to properly care for species and realise his errors so it's not like going the route of Nolan convincing them would change the end point. If anything it would have just ensured we see Nolan's development fully on screen.

Exactly. This whole Viltrum Empire conflict folds anyway once Nolan reforms and the Viltrumites find out that he's the rightful Viltrum Emperor. It just becomes Thragg vs. Nolan and both have their armies of Viltrumites against each other, with what's left of the legitimate Viltrum Empire (the remaining handful that was left) siding with Nolan. Seeing Nolan's development fully on screen would just make the story better.

 

[Lodoss Warrior]

It depends. I don't think it outranks Watchmen, since that book actually has a lesson to teach about the dangers of superheroes' effects on society at large. Invincible, for all its good parts, just seems like your run-of-the-mill superhero show with some twists and turns thrown in for good measure.

That's fair to say. Watchmen was one of the earliest deconstructions of the superhero genre that made a splash, and while I think there are contemporary works that were better (Marshal Law), can't deny that Watchmen really wants to leave the reader with a startling lesson. Invincible is looking to have a good time and impart a familiar, safe message.

That said, I just enjoy Invincible more.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

That's fair to say. Watchmen was one of the earliest deconstructions of the superhero genre that made a splash, and while I think there are contemporary works that were better (Marshal Law), can't deny that Watchmen really wants to leave the reader with a startling lesson. Invincible is looking to have a good time and impart a familiar, safe message.

That said, I just enjoy Invincible more.

I can see why. Watchmen can get pretentious at times, whereas Invincible is just here for superhero gore, which makes it more honest.

 

[Neet Tokusatsu Hero]

I guess this is a question everyone will be asking for the next few months.

I torrented the whole comic series right after finishing episode 8, and i think i'll stick with the comics, because i'm pretty sure they will double down with the woke shit in the next seasons.

 

[CheezzyMach]

The reason many heroes don’t just kill their villains besides the meta one is that they will just keep taking the easy route and eventually just keep killing every villain there is. Aside from that there are heroes who have strong moral codes that prevent them from killing or would be traumatized by the thought of it especially if they are teen heroes. The way you want all heroes to basically follow blind utilitarian ethics is really stupid.


Yes because a bunch of random super villains with no experience with technology would be perfect for killing the guardians and not make him look suspicious at all. Furthermore Nolan pretty much did things well, really it’s the whole family thing that threw him off and pretty much developing human feelings which he never experienced before. Then again you’re the same autist who wanted Mark to side with Nolan for a girl being a bitch to him.


Bruh do you not know what fun is? Not everyone has read every book or comic book and it’s not the downfall of society you autistic retard. That’s such a petty and autistic thing to judge based on the existence of reaction videos.

For all my faults with it I like how Injustice explained why Batman doesn't kill basically once you've justified one death there's nothing stopping you from justifying another and another until you eventually stop caring. Which is exactly what happens once the Justice League really goes off the deep end.

And yeah we have shit like stock characters and story archetypes for a reason. Humans have been retelling and reinventing stories since the dawn of time.

 

[Willie Thrills]

That's the problem with a lot of British satirical writers. They didn't figure out that the things they wanted people to mock ended up attracting people to that which they were mocking. The same thing happened with Warhammer 40K and Judge Dredd; instead of abhorring the Space Marines and the Judges as violent, fascist, over-the-top dipshits whose answer to every question is a bullet in the head or a fist to the face, people ended up liking that shit and thinking it was badass. People thought Rorschach was a badass when Moore wanted people to despise him. Down to the point where even the movie version of Rorschach even emphasizes his badass factor instead of his nutball factor.

British writers are fart-huffing fags, and Americans import the farts to huff themselves. For example, V for Vendetta - Guy Fawkes wasn't some edgy maskfag, he wanted to kill Parliament because Parliament kept killing Catholics. This is all part of the 16th/17th century Sectarian conflics so is some major history. I have no fucking idea how they extended this to some pseudo-Fascist government, that's some creative fucking liberty since within Moore's own lifetime, it was the boyhole-loving sodomite Heath, the same government which started shipping in third worlders and implementing hate-speech laws to protect them who also had death squads to kill random Catholics in Ireland!

In other words, Moore's lot were the cunts who Guy Fawkes wanted to kill, the same state, not some "corrupted alternate state", Fawkes was a real guy who fought against the real state. Moore's "fictional antagonist" in V for Vendetta is so retarded since he literally lived under the actual, real antagonist who Fawkes fought against!

Seriously, not even joking, the Ulster plantations were part of Fawkes' motive, as it was part of the omnipresent Sectarian conflicts at the time, and Moore literally grew up where British soldiers were on the streets as a result of these ancient decisions. The fact he had to invent some Fascist government tells me he either doesn't know the UK well, or doesn't know Fascism well.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

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I guess this is a question everyone will be asking for the next few months.

I torrented the whole comic series right after finishing episode 8, and i think i'll stick with the comics, because i'm pretty sure they will double down with the woke shit in the next seasons.

That's bad news if they double down on the woke shit. There's a very pivotal scene in the comics, one that really highlights the abuse men can get in sexual relationships, and I fear they might cut it out because the wokesters don't like to highlight men as the victims in such relationships.

Spoiler: FUTURE EVENTS

After Nolan takes the crown as the new Viltrum Emperor, and the Viltrumites live on Earth as guardians of the planet, some Viltrumite chick is pissy about not doing her part in repopulating their race, and she rapes Mark after the latter had a falling out with his current girlfriend. The bitch even names the rape-child she has after him.

British writers are fart-huffing fags, and Americans import the farts to huff themselves. For example, V for Vendetta - Guy Fawkes wasn't some edgy maskfag, he wanted to kill Parliament because Parliament kept killing Catholics. This is all part of the 16th/17th century Sectarian conflics so is some major history. I have no fucking idea how they extended this to some pseudo-Fascist government, that's some creative fucking liberty since within Moore's own lifetime, it was the boyhole-loving sodomite Heath, the same government which started shipping in third worlders and implementing hate-speech laws to protect them who also had death squads to kill random Catholics in Ireland!

In other words, Moore's lot were the cunts who Guy Fawkes wanted to kill, the same state, not some "corrupted alternate state", Fawkes was a real guy who fought against the real state. Moore's "fictional antagonist" in V for Vendetta is so retarded since he literally lived under the actual, real antagonist who Fawkes fought against!

Seriously, not even joking, the Ulster plantations were part of Fawkes' motive, as it was part of the omnipresent Sectarian conflicts at the time, and Moore literally grew up where British soldiers were on the streets as a result of these ancient decisions. The fact he had to invent some Fascist government tells me he either doesn't know the UK well, or doesn't know Fascism well.

Basically, the fart-huffing fags always pick on Fascism because it was hip to accuse right-wingers of being fascist during those days, and Moore mistook a Catholic crusader for an anarchist revolutionary because he tried to blow up Parliament. Moore and the rest of the fart-huffers thought that Guy Fawkes was a British anarchist who shares their views on "fight da power" during the Thatcher era just because the dude tried to blow up Parliament, when really, Fawkes would have settled for a Catholic sitting on the British throne, which would just end with the godless anarchists getting thrown in the trash.

 

[Willie Thrills]

That's bad news if they double down on the woke shit. There's a very pivotal scene in the comics, one that really highlights the abuse men can get in sexual relationships, and I fear they might cut it out because the wokesters don't like to highlight men as the victims in such relationships.

Spoiler: FUTURE EVENTS

After Nolan takes the crown as the new Viltrum Emperor, and the Viltrumites live on Earth as guardians of the planet, some Viltrumite chick is pissy about not doing her part in repopulating their race, and she rapes Mark after the latter had a falling out with his current girlfriend. The bitch even names the rape-child she has after him.

Basically, the fart-huffing fags always pick on Fascism because it was hip to accuse right-wingers of being fascist during those days, and Moore mistook a Catholic crusader for an anarchist revolutionary because he tried to blow up Parliament. Moore and the rest of the fart-huffers thought that Guy Fawkes was a British anarchist who shares their views on "fight da power" during the Thatcher era just because the dude tried to blow up Parliament, when really, Fawkes would have settled for a Catholic sitting on the British throne, which would just end with the godless anarchists getting thrown in the trash.

The irony being that the most Catholic part of the region was Ireland, and the whole Catholic crusade was a real thing during... the Spanish Civil War.

Guy Fawkes himself did something similar, during the Dutch war of independence from Spain - as a Catholic crusader.

If Guy Fawkes existed in the 20th century, he would have been associated with Eoin O'Duffy, no doubt.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I do still hope they hold back on the woke and try to portray the comic story as faithful as they can on later seasons. It'd be a shame to see some of the later stories get altered or even screwed over because some woketard thought it was too politically incorrect. Some of the later arcs in Invincible get interesting, but if they hold back on it due to wokeness, or worse, add more woke shit, the show might lose its steam and eventually fall off like Game of Thrones did.

The irony being that the most Catholic part of the region was Ireland, and the whole Catholic crusade was a real thing during... the Spanish Civil War.

Ah, the Spanish Civil War. The one war where most normies today sympathize with the Stalin-backed nutcases who tried to eradicate the majority religion in Spain.

Guy Fawkes himself did something similar, during the Dutch war of independence from Spain - as a Catholic crusader.

If Guy Fawkes existed in the 20th century, he would have been associated with Eoin O'Duffy, no doubt.

And the British fart-huffers would be shocked to find out that their anarchist idol was actually closer to the religious far-right people whom they typically satirize.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

British writers are fart-huffing fags, and Americans import the farts to huff themselves. For example, V for Vendetta - Guy Fawkes wasn't some edgy maskfag, he wanted to kill Parliament because Parliament kept killing Catholics. This is all part of the 16th/17th century Sectarian conflics so is some major history. I have no fucking idea how they extended this to some pseudo-Fascist government, that's some creative fucking liberty since within Moore's own lifetime, it was the boyhole-loving sodomite Heath, the same government which started shipping in third worlders and implementing hate-speech laws to protect them who also had death squads to kill random Catholics in Ireland!

In other words, Moore's lot were the cunts who Guy Fawkes wanted to kill, the same state, not some "corrupted alternate state", Fawkes was a real guy who fought against the real state. Moore's "fictional antagonist" in V for Vendetta is so retarded since he literally lived under the actual, real antagonist who Fawkes fought against!

Seriously, not even joking, the Ulster plantations were part of Fawkes' motive, as it was part of the omnipresent Sectarian conflicts at the time, and Moore literally grew up where British soldiers were on the streets as a result of these ancient decisions. The fact he had to invent some Fascist government tells me he either doesn't know the UK well, or doesn't know Fascism well.

I read the first volume of Constantine and it was like reading modern day ultra woke comic (at least it felt to me like it). Sex positive hippie shit (with some hints of pedophilia), Conservative voters are literal fart demons, and government organised gay execution squads. In some ways it's worse than modern woke for how much it comes out as hysteric despite history showing how the fears were completely ridiculous.

The problem is that British writers is they like to think that people would go against groups/individuals who take tough actions for their ideals even when there are no better alternatives (which is fucking ironic when their politics are 100% the end justifies the means).

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I read the first volume of Constantine and it was like reading modern day ultra woke comic (at least it felt to me like it). Sex positive hippie shit (with some hints of pedophilia), Conservative voters are literal fart demons, and government organised gay execution squads. In some ways it's worse than modern woke for how much it comes out as hysteric despite history showing how the fears were completely ridiculous.

Take modern American wokeness, and inject in it enough steroids to turn a flabby nerd into the Hulk. That's how British satirical literature usually is.

The problem is that British writers is they like to think that people would go against groups/individuals who take tough actions for their ideals even when there are no better alternatives (which is fucking ironic when their politics are 100% the end justifies the means).

Individuals who take tough actions for their ideals are usually admired by the public, even if those ideals are wrong. So even though Rorschach is a nutball, and the Space Marines are self-deluded retards, the fact that they have principles and they stand for them ironically makes them heroes in the eyes of a public that's tired of deconstructions and woke yahoos telling them that they're sexist/racist/homophobic for having certain beliefs.

 

[Willie Thrills]

I read the first volume of Constantine and it was like reading modern day ultra woke comic (at least it felt to me like it). Sex positive hippie shit (with some hints of pedophilia), Conservative voters are literal fart demons, and government organised gay execution squads. In some ways it's worse than modern woke for how much it comes out as hysteric despite history showing how the fears were completely ridiculous.

The problem is that British writers is they like to think that people would go against groups/individuals who take tough actions for their ideals even when there are no better alternatives (which is fucking ironic when their politics are 100% the end justifies the means).

I remember looking at some shit by Chris Morris - a talented comedian for sure, and he did some shit about American terrorism and how the FBI considers white nationalism to be its #1 threat, whereas the American public often consider Islamists to be their #1 threat.

He said this as if the FBI had the final judgement on it, which is absolutely wrong.

White nationalists are the #1 threat to the FBI, whereas Islamist (or Black Nationalist) violence is the #1 threat to the American public.

These are both true because white nationalists like to shoot the FBI, whereas other groups focus on killing and bullying the civilian population.

Such a simple answer which seemed to go completely over Morris' head.

I see this a lot among them - and to be perfectly frank, talented writers are in abundant supply. The media industry has too many chickens and too few butchers, leading to an immense bottleneck where discrimination based on talent simply isn't possible - so they discriminate based on politics, and frequently, who gives the best blowjobs.

It's impossible for me to respect any entertainer knowing that they probably sucked dick to get published.