American Universities - raising the next generation of lolcows

WW 635 · Apr 21, 2017

Universities are supposed to be a place of higher learning. They're a place where young men and women go to receive an education that will provide them with necessary skills for a professional career. For some that career is in radical political ideals and lolcowism.

Recently some students from Pomona, Scripps, and other Claremont Colleges wrote the following letter (https://archive.md/Dm2DN):

In Response to Academic Freedom and Free Speech

Dear David Oxtoby,

We, few of the Black students here at Pomona College and the Claremont Colleges, would like to address several of the points made in your ‘Academic Freedom and Free Speech’ email sent out to the entire student body on April 7, 2017 in response to a student protest against Heather Mac Donald’s talk at Claremont McKenna College’s (CMC) Athenaeum. We believe that given your position as President of this institution your voice holds significant weight in campus discourse. That power comes with immense responsibility, especially when you could dictate campus culture, climate, and the alleged mission of this institution. As President, you are charged with upholding principles of Pomona College. Though this institution as well as many others including this entire country, have been founded upon the oppression and degradation of marginalized bodies, it has a liability to protect the students that it serves. The paradox is that Pomona’s past is rooted in domination of marginalized peoples and communities and the student body has a significant population of students from these backgrounds. Your recent statement reveals where Pomona’s true intentions lie.

Free speech, a right many freedom movements have fought for, has recently become a tool appropriated by hegemonic institutions. It has not just empowered students from marginalized backgrounds to voice their qualms and criticize aspects of the institution, but it has given those who seek to perpetuate systems of domination a platform to project their bigotry. Thus, if “our mission is founded upon the discovery of truth,” how does free speech uphold that value? The notion of discourse, when it comes to discussions about experiences and identities, deters the ‘Columbusing’ of established realities and truths (coded as ‘intellectual inquiry’) that the institution promotes. Pomona cannot have its cake and eat it, too. Either you support students of marginalized identities, particularly Black students, or leave us to protect and organize for our communities without the impositions of your patronization, without your binary respectability politics, and without your monolithic perceptions of protest and organizing. In addition, non-Black individuals do not have the right to prescribe how Black people respond to anti-Blackness.
Your statement contains unnuanced views surrounding the academy and a belief in searching for some venerated truth. Historically, white supremacy has venerated the idea of objectivity, and wielded a dichotomy of ‘subjectivity vs. objectivity’ as a means of silencing oppressed peoples. The idea that there is a single truth--’the Truth’--is a construct of the Euro-West that is deeply rooted in the Enlightenment, which was a movement that also described Black and Brown people as both subhuman and impervious to pain. This construction is a myth and white supremacy, imperialism, colonization, capitalism, and the United States of America are all of its progeny. The idea that the truth is an entity for which we must search, in matters that endanger our abilities to exist in open spaces, is an attempt to silence oppressed peoples. We, Black students, exist with a myriad of different identities. We are queer, trans, differently-abled, poor/low-income, undocumented, Muslim, first-generation and/or immigrant, and positioned in different spaces across Africa and the African diaspora. The idea that we must subject ourselves routinely to the hate speech of fascists who want for us not to exist plays on the same Eurocentric constructs that believed Black people to be impervious to pain and apathetic to the brutal and violent conditions of white supremacy.

The idea that the search for this truth involves entertaining Heather Mac Donald’s hate speech is illogical. If engaged, Heather Mac Donald would not be debating on mere difference of opinion, but the right of Black people to exist. Heather Mac Donald is a fascist, a white supremacist, a warhawk, a transphobe, a queerphobe, a classist, and ignorant of interlocking systems of domination that produce the lethal conditions under which oppressed peoples are forced to live. Why are you, and other persons in positions of power at these institutions, protecting a fascist and her hate speech and not students that are directly affected by her presence?

Advocating for white supremacy and giving white supremacists platforms wherefrom their toxic and deadly illogic may be disseminated is condoning violence against Black people. Heather Mac Donald does not have the right to an audience at the Athenaeum, a private venue wherefrom she received compensation. Dictating and condemning non-respectable forms of protest while parroting the phrase that “protest has a celebrated” place on campus is contradictory at best and anti-Black at worst.

This is not an argument rooted in Heather’s loss of “free speech” or academic freedom. She is a well-known public figure, her views are well documented. Rather, our praxis is focused on not allowing her anti-Black platform to be legitimized in front of an audience, which she does not have the right to. Engaging with her, a white supremacist fascist supporter of the police state, is a form of violence.

Protest that doesn’t disrupt the status quo is benign and doesn’t function to overthrow systems of oppression, which is the ultimate goal.

To conclude our statement, we invite you to respond to this email by Tuesday, April 18, 2017 at 4:07pm (since we have more energy to expend on the frivolity of this institution and not Black lives). Also, we demand a revised email sent to the entire student body, faculty, and staff by Thursday, April 20, 2017, apologizing for the previous patronizing statement, enforcing that Pomona College does not tolerate hate speech and speech that projects violence onto the bodies of its marginalized students and oppressed peoples, especially Black students who straddle the intersection of marginalized identities, and explaining the steps the institution will take and the resources it will allocate to protect the aforementioned students. We also demand that Pomona College and the Claremont University Consortium entities take action against the Claremont Independent editorial staff (http://claremontindependent.com/meet-the-staff/) for its continual perpetuation of hate speech, anti-Blackness, and intimidation toward students of marginalized backgrounds. Provided that the Claremont Independent releases the identity of students involved with this letter and such students begin to receive threats and hate mail, we demand that this institution and its constituents take legal action against members of the Claremont Independent involved with the editing and publication process as well as disciplinary action, such as expulsion on the grounds of endangering the wellbeing of others.

Authored by:
Dray Denson PO ’20
Avery Jonas PO ’20
Shanaya Stephenson PO ’19

Co-Signatories:
Victor Bene PZ ’19
Bemnet Gebrechirstos SC ’19
Jordan Howard-Jennings HMC ’19
Gabby Snowden SC ’19
Eliamani Ismail SC ’20
Katarina Figueroa
Karé Ureña PZ ’18
Leandra Vargas PZ ’18
Malaika Ogukwe PO ’19
Journey Simmons PO ’20
Mazvita Nyamuzuwe SC ’20
Noemi Delgado PZ ’19
Sherlan Lord PZ ’19
Leya Solomon PO ’19
Vanessa Akinnibosun SC ’19
Zemia Edmondson PO ‘20
Neyissa Desir PO ’19
Sega Birhane HMC ’20
Ramonda Giddings HMC ’17
Matt Simon HMC ’18
Jillian Cardamon HMC ’20
Jasmine David PO ’19
Justis Allen HMC ’17
Donely Gunn HMC ’18

What kind of person would put their signature on something so inane? Why people like Zemia Edmonson! Who's this you ask? (You did.) Zemia is author of the following blog that insists that black students should have the option to room only with other black students since they might be uncomfortable around whites. As in, black students should be allowed to discriminate against potential roommates due to the colour of their skin.

People of Color Can Choose Who They Want to Live With

Zemia Edmondson | Oct. 14, 2016, 1:45 p.m.

Before I even enrolled in courses at Pomona College and the Claremont Consortium, I found that some of the Consortium’s black students were the subject of a highly divisive national debate: Should students of color explicitly request to live only with other people of color?

The story is as follows: Karé Ureña PZ ‘18, along with Sajo Jefferson PO ’19 and Isaac Tucker-Rasbury PO ‘18, are black students at the Claremont Colleges.

Ureña posted Facebook statuses on her personal profile and to the Pitzer College Class of 2018 page requesting a fourth roommate for the students’ off-campus home. Ureña specified: “POC [people of color] only.”

Launch controversy.

The Claremont Independent, a campus news source, first reported the story on Aug. 9 with the headline: “Students at the Claremont Colleges Refuse to Live with White People.” Just days after, national news sources such as The Washington Post, U.S. News and The Guardian reported the event, another materialization of the tense racial relations recently highlighted at colleges and universities across the nation.

Lots of people had something to say, including students who found the request “racist.” Melvin Oliver, Pitzer College’s president, condemned the group of black students in a Message to the Community: He cited Pitzer’s Mission and Values statement, which emphasizes “diversity, dialogue, inquiry and action” to promote “intercultural understanding” as a counterargument to Ureña’s posts and the students’ request for a POC-only home. Administrators pointed at the mission statement as the default response to a much deeper, unaddressed problem.

What’s disturbing about this splashy nationwide debate is that it perpetuates the system that marginalizes black people for taking issue with a social system that doesn’t support them.

What’s more troubling is that in institutions that are supposed to build “intercultural understanding,” the legitimate needs and concerns of the black population aren’t heard or met.

Rather than examining how Pitzer, a school whose walls are colored with murals denouncing social injustices, has failed its black students, students and administrators victim-blamed Ureña (a decades-old response). They claimed she needed to change—not the community making her feel uncomfortable.

The narrative holds: blacks are fated to be uncomfortable; so instead of holding the institutions accountable, most students are told to accept this norm and not seek systemic change.

Media coverage of the controversy never described the concerns of the Claremont students as legitimate, in keeping with a familiar narrative: the myth of black inferiority. Psychologists propagated this myth and legitimized it with empirical data, saying blacks need to adapt to (white) middle-class customs in order to succeed. This raises two problems: one, that the burden of assimilation necessary for success is on the black community. But a second, more sinister phenomenon occurs: As Martin Deutsch writes in The Disadvantaged Child, “problems of social adaption" at lower-class (i.e. black) public schools weaken emotional sensitivity toward black students.Thus, others become deaf to the words of black people. If educational systems, the stepping stone into American life and culture, aren’t sensitive to the black community’s feelings, society is given a pass.

But there’s more. Not only are blacks’ emotions invalidated through a perpetuation of the status quo, but their methods of emotional expression are also criticized. In the 1960s, researchers popularized the idea (resting on false assumptions) that because the language of black mothers is insufficient, black children don’t know how to properly express themselves. Mothers who give orders without explanation are to blame. Because their language is inherently unable to express said emotions, these children experience “language deprivation,” and their emotional accounts are deemed illegitimate, according to these researchers.

So when a black Pitzer student describes the “trauma” she has experienced at the college, the just response is not to the look the other way.

People are desensitized to black people’s emotions, as evident both in the collective failure to humanize black slavery and the failure to acknowledge Ureña’s, Jefferson’s and Tucker-Rasbury’s request for a roommate of color and emotional recognition.

What’s worse, again we blame the victims—really the survivors—of these dynamics while failing to indict the system for foul play. The players (in our case, the black people and people of color at the Claremont Consortium) are expected to score goals with an invisible net.

Yet psychological studies don’t answer the particular question of whether Ureña, Tucker-Rasbury, and Jefferson are acting on prejudice.

Spoiler alert: they’re not prejudiced. They’re definitely not racists, and what’s better, they’re entirely justified.

For college roommates, race means something. Living with same-race roommates, both for minority- and majority-identity students, saw higher comfort, less anxiety and a greater chance for a lasting friendship than with other-race pairings. What’s more, white students expressing hostility toward minority students, even at “progressive” schools like Pitzer, is not a rare phenomenon, and may even be common. Research supports giving students the freedom to choose their own roommates. For blacks, living with whites, or even other people of color, can be harmful. So we should not act astonished or condemn students for making a “POC-only” roommate request.

Should schools include race on their housing forms? Private homes don’t fall under the jurisdiction of the colleges. But for American school administrators, is there an obligation to apply research supporting same-race roommates in the roommate process? For many campuses, with myths of this country thriving in a post-racial society, at sometimes troublingly loud volumes, the likely answer is no. When Cal State Los Angeles instituted black-preferred housing, the media rebranded it as “black-only” and created uproar heard across the political spectrum. But while public colleges and universities will find it difficult to adopt these measures, maybe private schools can take the first step, if they want to live up to their diversity commitments. Or maybe, to start, administrators, students, and the public can tell students who want to decide the community the live in that it’s not just acceptable; it’s valued.

Zemia Edmondson PO ’20 hails from West Palm Beach, FL, lives in Harwood Court, and is a prospective Environmental Analysis major.

It should be noted she doesn't seem to discriminate for skin colour when selecting partners...

These aren't the only schools with exceptional demonstrations of exceptionalism. A student from Reed College, private liberal arts university in Portland, gave $200 to ADF.

Héctor Morgan-Montoya is the poor exceptional (and desperately searching for a place to live after graduation) queer who made the donation. They are a self-defined "radical leftist" who shills on their FB page for others of similar political ideals.

Dead name: Sidra Morgan-Montoya
Portland, OR, USA

Former city of residence: Irvine, CA, USA

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sidra-morgan-montoya-09428a101/ (https://archive.fo/ccKyK)
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/sidra.morganmontoya/ (http://archive.md/QrGFF)
Couchsurfing: https://www.couchsurfing.com/people/sidramorgan-montoya (https://archive.fo/5lklS)
Google+: https://plus.google.com/109455784479084242225
Art with blowtorches: https://patch.com/california/watsonville/three-women-teach-the-art-of-melting-wax-with-blow-torches (https://archive.fo/6wtac)
Article in the Grail: http://www.reedthegrail.com/de-sastre/2016/4/5/darkmatter-darling (https://archive.fo/taik6)
Moveon.org petition to perform Harry Potter at Fullerton College: https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/petition-to-preform-harry-1 (https://archive.fo/RTrxo)

And then there's UC Berkley and it's violent protests which included such groups as By Any Means Necessary (BAMN), Anti-facists (Antifa), and OathKeepers. Way to go Berkley! They almost have the whole radical spectrum covered. It's like UC Berkley is playing a game of Pokemon but with extremist groups instead of cuddley fighting animals. And that's just this year alone.

Special thanks to @Ride for his help with this and @Feline Darkmage for spurring the idea. Also, attention @zedkissed60

ICametoLurk · Apr 21, 2017

Worth 6 digit debt.

DNJACK · Apr 21, 2017

Universities are just horrible

RI 360 · Apr 21, 2017

Here's an excellent organization that keeps a finger on the pulse of these kind of atrocities and injustices caused by the prevalent attitude in academy expressed by OP: FIRE - Foundation for Individual Rights in Education

They are near and dear to my heart and will be to yours too.

Sinner's Sandwich · Apr 21, 2017

I heard that Harvad recently told his students that gender can change on a daily basis

ICametoLurk · Apr 21, 2017

Sinners Sandwich said:
I heard that Harvad recently told his students that gender can change on a daily basis

Yep

https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=9079

“gender is fluid and changing,” often fluctuating on a daily basis

frozenrunner · Apr 21, 2017

The Obama-era Title IX expansion has destroyed the American institution of higher learning.

Kari Kamiya · Apr 21, 2017

Within this past year, I've been questioning more and more if it's even worth getting an education at colleges and universities anymore with nutjobs running/allowing themselves to be controlled by these administrations everywhere you look. If a degree is still worth anything, perhaps it'd just be better to take online courses to avoid the masses and direct contact with the crazies who so much as judge you at a glance (you'd still have to put up with whackjob instructors, albeit not in person at the very least). But then that'd probably just encourage NEET behavior.

I used to think the college life would teach real world experiences where high school failed, except even the real world doesn't put up with these assholes--and none of them are getting the hint. Hell, I don't think college students have ever taken the hint since prior to the beatniks' conception. And with impressionable young folks (all raised on social media and whom currently believe their snowflake shit doesn't stink) fresh out of high school applying to these campuses practically every month and being assimilated, it seems like even society itself is unfortunately getting sick and tired of fighting against this shit and are just waiting for it all to die out on its own.

Gym Leader Elesa · Apr 22, 2017

Anyone who goes to college is a lolcow. If you needed an advanced education to make money, you weren't worth saving anyway.

Bob's Fries · Apr 22, 2017

Gym Leader Elesa said:
Anyone who goes to college is a lolcow. If you needed an advanced education to make money, you weren't worth saving anyway.

Jewelsmakerguy · Apr 22, 2017

Gym Leader Elesa said:
Anyone who goes to college is a lolcow. If you needed an advanced education to make money, you weren't worth saving anyway.

See now that's the problem- Some cities, especially the one where I live, require secondary education to get the job.

And while I see where they're coming from with that (you need the proper experience and training), it's stupid as fuck because that just leaves fewer jobs for the ones who don't have any. And more so if this is what kind of graduate they're producing these days.

Lackadaisy · Apr 22, 2017

Silence, goyim. Let me collect my shekels.

Ntwadumela · Apr 22, 2017

CricketVonChirp said:
Universities are supposed to be a place of higher learning. They're a place where young men and women go to receive an education that will provide them with necessary skills for a professional career. For some that career is in radical political ideals and lolcowism.

Recently some students from Pomona, Scripps, and other Claremont Colleges wrote the following letter (https://archive.md/Dm2DN):

What kind of person would put their signature on something so inane? Why people like Zemia Edmonson! Who's this you ask? (You did.) Zemia is author of the following blog that insists that black students should have the option to room only with other black students since they might be uncomfortable around whites. As in, black students should be allowed to discriminate against potential roommates due to the colour of their skin.

It should be noted she doesn't seem to discriminate for skin colour when selecting partners...

Zemia Edmonson / zemiaafro

zemia@live.com

1239 THE POINTE DR
WEST PALM BEACH FL 33409

170 EAST 6TH ST
SU# 132
CLAREMONT CA 91711

(305) 733-7370

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/zemia-edmondson-a59686125
Racist blog post: http://tsl.news/opinions/6108/ (http://archive.md/f1PGG)
Associated Students of Pomona College First YEar Class President: https://aspc.pomona.edu/senate/appointments/senate/ (http://archive.md/AIODP)
Graduated Cum Laude from Choate: https://www.choate.edu/uploaded/Documents/Communications/2016_thenews.pdf (http://archive.md/RpoOV)
Review of Choate performance: http://www.mixedracestudies.org/?tag=zemia-edmondson (http://archive.md/2SFWy)
Handing out free tampons at school: http://thechoatenews.choate.edu/2016/03/31/choate-to-provide-free-tampons/ (http://archive.md/DGypb)
Twitter: https://twitter.com/zemiaafro (abandoned 2014; http://archive.md/aCvTo)
Pictaram: http://www.pictaram.com/user/_zemia/1695856472 (http://archive.md/ShOyT)
Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCELY6Mx1gaiFQdrozvotHew
Pintrest: https://www.pinterest.com/zemiaafro/ (http://archive.md/8esNE)
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/zemia.edmondson (http://archive.md/QWqtQ)
Insisting Bernie supporters jump on the Clinton bandwagon: https://www.wired.com/2016/06/victory-rally-clinton-asks-sanders-supporters-climb-aboard/ (http://archive.md/Xcox0)
Attended this event on mixed race issures: http://www.fanshencox.com/home/?page_id=17 (http://archive.md/2pHBt)
Review of digital print: https://www.ckehoeart.com/urban-digital-print (http://archive.md/yiZ4Z)
French Woods Community newsletter mentions: http://frenchwoods.com/pdf/march2010.pdf (http://archive.md/h3CLS)

These aren't the only schools with exceptional demonstrations of exceptionalism. A student from Reed College, private liberal arts university in Portland, gave $200 to ADF.

Héctor Morgan-Montoya is the poor exceptional (and desperately searching for a place to live after graduation) queer who made the donation. They are a self-defined "radical leftist" who shills on their FB page for others of similar political ideals.

Dead name: Sidra Morgan-Montoya
Portland, OR, USA

Former city of residence: Irvine, CA, USA

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sidra-morgan-montoya-09428a101/ (https://archive.fo/ccKyK)
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/sidra.morganmontoya/ (http://archive.md/QrGFF)
Couchsurfing: https://www.couchsurfing.com/people/sidramorgan-montoya (https://archive.fo/5lklS)
Google+: https://plus.google.com/109455784479084242225
Art with blowtorches: https://patch.com/california/watsonville/three-women-teach-the-art-of-melting-wax-with-blow-torches (https://archive.fo/6wtac)
Article in the Grail: http://www.reedthegrail.com/de-sastre/2016/4/5/darkmatter-darling (https://archive.fo/taik6)
Moveon.org petition to perform Harry Potter at Fullerton College: https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/petition-to-preform-harry-1 (https://archive.fo/RTrxo)

And then there's UC Berkley and it's violent protests which included such groups as By Any Means Necessary (BAMN), Anti-facists (Antifa), and OathKeepers. Way to go Berkley! They almost have the whole radical spectrum covered. It's like UC Berkley is playing a game of Pokemon but with extremist groups instead of cuddley fighting animals. And that's just this year alone.

Special thanks to @Ride for his help with this and @Feline Darkmage for spurring the idea. Also, attention @zedkissed60

Gym Leader Elesa said:
Anyone who goes to college is a lolcow. If you needed an advanced education to make money, you weren't worth saving anyway.

Funnily enough, the year before I graduated high school I was actually planning to apply to an American university, but tragic occurrences within the family led me to stay here instead. I truly believe that was a sign from Allah.

The environment here regarding university life is quite different I gotta say.
I'm glad the Kuwaiti universities aren't full of hypersensitive cucks who always try to find a reason to be offended.

HG 400 · Apr 22, 2017

Ntwadumela said:
I'm glad the Kuwaiti universities aren't full of hypersensitive cucks who always try to find a reason to be offended.

idk what happens if a Danishman draws a cartoon?

Ntwadumela · Apr 22, 2017

Dynastia said:
idk what happens if a Danishman draws a cartoon?

Either deportation or execution I'd assume...

Holy shit I've never even thought of that.

Secret Asshole · Apr 22, 2017

Kari Kamiya said:
Within this past year, I've been questioning more and more if it's even worth getting an education at colleges and universities anymore with nutjobs running/allowing themselves to be controlled by these administrations everywhere you look. If a degree is still worth anything, perhaps it'd just be better to take online courses to avoid the masses and direct contact with the crazies who so much as judge you at a glance (you'd still have to put up with whackjob instructors, albeit not in person at the very least). But then that'd probably just encourage NEET behavior.

I used to think the college life would teach real world experiences where high school failed, except even the real world doesn't put up with these assholes--and none of them are getting the hint. Hell, I don't think college students have ever taken the hint since prior to the beatniks' conception. And with impressionable young folks (all raised on social media and whom currently believe their snowflake shit doesn't stink) fresh out of high school applying to these campuses practically every month and being assimilated, it seems like even society itself is unfortunately getting sick and tired of fighting against this shit and are just waiting for it all to die out on its own.

No, you just have to be extremely smart about it. A lot of times people don't even think about the college they go to or what is actually important. There's a couple of things you really want to know:

1) Make sure you know what you want to do. This is the most important. Research degrees and their career paths. See if you need a college degree or associates degree. Make absolutely sure you can do what you want to do with only a bachelors.

2) Examine their career services, job services and employment after graduation. A lot of colleges tout their locations and amenities. Who gives a fuck. See how many get jobs. See if they have department specific career services (you don't want to get the same career service treatment that Philosophy majors do if you are a Chemistry one).

3) Go with as little debt as you can. College debt is the worst debt you can ever have. Don't be like me when we were told college debt was 'good debt' and then suddenly the economy prolapsed and whoops! You can't discharge it through bankruptcy because the government and the banks make billions off of it. College debt is garbage debt. It is incredibly difficult to discharge through bankruptcy. And take ONLY federal loans. I don't care what the interest rate is. The re-payment options on federal loans beat out private ones, especially if you hit hard times.

4) Avoid boutique degrees. Highly specialized undergraduate degrees are something you should be skeptical of unless they are a STEM field. Otherwise research. Sometimes universities try to attract people with cool sounding degrees that are basically for professionals looking for a salary bump or functionally worthless.

5) If you are ending your academic career at the Undergraduate level, then the name of the college and reputation might matter. If you are continuing for Graduate or Professional, nobody cares.

6) Don't go for pointless shit like location to a city or anything like that unless you plan on staying there. While college can be a chance to explore and grow in different environments, you are dropping a lot of money. Make sure the location fits why you are going.

7) If you are going for a humanities degree or degree in Social Science, don't waste your money. I'm not joking. If you dislike the politics espoused by universities, don't do it. The field is completely corrupted if you don't toe the line. You will find yourself extremely isolated. Social Science is not the way for academic or critical thought these days. Its only for parroting the ideology to put asses in seats and publish books. This goes even if you do online. You will NOT get anywhere in these fields unless you buy what they are selling.

If you are unsure if college is for you, find a good community college in your area and take some classes. Or a cheap state University. Typically community colleges aren't all that bad and they're a lot cheaper than dropping 30k and figuring out college doesn't fit for you.

9) Realize that most of this SJW nonsense is at expensive private schools and even then only in certain departments. You can research schools to see if they have any insane shit out of department people need. Also, be incredibly diligent if you decide to do Online colleges. Avoid for-profit colleges like the plague. They will get you nothing. Do online programs from reputable, non-profit, private/state universities. There is a difference between for-profit and private universities, learn them if you want to go the online route.

10) To re-iterate, make absolutely sure you know what you want to do. The value of a Bachelor's is incredibly difficult to see right now, even for STEM. Do your research into what you want to do, how you want to go about it. Some people can get away with getting just a Bachelor's. Most STEM fields with the exception of Computer Science and some Engineering require higher degrees to earn decent money.

Follow these steps and it should be ok. You just have to be extremely vigilant and be your own guidance counselor.

From The Uncanny Valley · Apr 22, 2017

I only have a GED and I'm fucking proud of it.

DykesDykesChina · Apr 22, 2017

If North Korea doesn't count as a lolcow, how can universities? There may be many lolcows there, but by the same logic you could make a thread about "the internet".

Locksnap · Apr 22, 2017

Just universities? The entire education system is a libcuck-infested sham. I dropped out before I got my GED and I'm proud of it. Only letters I need to know are
Make
America
Grate
Again
!

ICametoLurk · Apr 22, 2017

DykesDykesChina said:
If North Korea doesn't count as a lolcow, how can universities? There may be many lolcows there, but by the same logic you could make a thread about "the internet".

I have yet to see anything that would indict that a single person that isn't a lolcow uses the Internet.

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