An American in the United Kingdom - First time in the UK in a decade.

mindlessobserver

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So, while I am largely well traveled, my time in the UK, the country of "muh heritage" is shockingly limited. With my last trip occurring over 10 years ago. In this case it was to attend a family reunion. And I am conflicted. I really didnt want to believe the worst of /pol/ assessments or @Null 's assessment of the country. But here is my unbiased American opinion.

What. The. Fuck.

This country has gone full on schizophrenic. Ititerally has no idea what it is. At all. First of all let's talk the interactions. In London tourists are handled by immigrants. Without fail. My rental car, the people explaining how to use the Tube, not a one English and often not speaking with an english accent. Even the Uber driver was a Nigerian. Holy shit was /pol/ right?

Nope. I take the car (yes Americans can drive on the left. Your round abouts are more annoying then direction of travel) out in the countryside the diversity disappears. And the anger/fascination begins. There is a combination of "what are you doing here" with genuine fascination with the strange creature. Which says to me it's very rare for Americans to drive afield. Along with anyone else not English. And along the way I am CONSTANTLY assailed with how I viewed the current political situation as an outsider.

So here are my thoughts. Britains TV is a horrifying mixture of American television, british Reality TV shows and advertisements that are without fail interracial. Without fail. Every ad unless aimed at someone over 60 involves an interracial couple. All the BBC channels are mindless trash, with only the American shows offering some perspective. With the Food Network being the only one concerned at all with british culture.

When you drive there are cameras everywhere. When you park there are cameras everywhere. When you use the internet or connect to wifi you are prompted to accept monitoring. But on the roads the moment the cameras disappear everyone starts driving like they do in America and get really mad when you don't. I see Cameras everywhere. Every. Where. I know for a fact this post is being recorded. And everyone here knows they are being watched and they pretend it's not happening. Even as the rebel every chance they get against it.

The TV reflects it. All those interracial ads don't reflect at all on the society I see OUTSIDE of London. Inside London? Oh yes. But those people are insane. The older ones anyway. The older brits in London I had dinner with were absolutely blind to the issues, the younger people used me as some sort of priest, as if venting to an American was somehow safer then daring to talk to a peer. And in the countryside it's like London is some sort of hell. In Cornwall they are building huge housing estates...for white flight. White Londoners are literally doing what White Americans did in the 1970s. Fleeing all the way to lands end.

But even at lands end the cameras are Every. Where. So. Many. Cameras. In Cornwall, the actual west virginia of England. Along with a desire for fair trade fruit, coffee, tea, and cardboard straws. (Cardboard straws suck. Fuck your cardboard straws). Which shows even in the countryside of England there is a desire to do many of the lefty causes...I think? It's hard to say? Is it true belief? Or is it a product or the panoptican?

I am in hell. It was not like this even 10 years ago. There are cameras everywhere in CORNWALL. What has happened to England? I leave the day after tomorrow. I dont think I will come back.
 
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KimCoppolaAficionado

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I'm really not sure what you expected; people were describing exactly what you are describing 10 years ago. I posit that England has not changed, but rather you have become hyper-vigilant to those things.
The fact you think that fair trade is an attitude that could only be enforced by a dystopian police state when even the most dyed-in-the-wool conservative can generally agree that slavery is bad seems to support that.
 

Death Grip

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You're lucky you have the choice. Some of us by accident of birth are stuck here with no hope of escape.
Oh well at least they don't finger print everyone upon entering the country. And the cameras on public transport only get looked at if something goes down. Don't ask me how I know this.
The ones on the streets are monitored 24/7 though.
 

mindlessobserver

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I'm really not sure what you expected; people were describing exactly what you are describing 10 years ago. I posit that England has not changed, but rather you have become hyper-vigilant to those things.
The fact you think that fair trade is an attitude that could only be enforced by a dystopian police state when even the most dyed-in-the-wool conservative can generally agree that slavery is bad seems to support that.

I dont disagree with fair trade. I in fact support it. But then sincerity of it is diminished when it seems to come from a place of fear or coercion. Fair trade is a thing in America too, but we use it as an excuse to charge slightly more and the option remains to buy a can of folgers to be brewed from the tears of Indonesian slave children. Which we dont buy btw and at this point is shoved into a corner and exists largely to justify the higher priced "premium" stuff. But we have the choice. Here you have none. And I dont believe its sincere at all.
 

mindlessobserver

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I talked with the wife of my cousin and sharing children stories and she commented how the NHS sent a baby expert after you get out of the hospital. Oh that's great I thought. You can ask the NHS to help you with infant care.

I said so. The response? Oh no. They come around automatically. She said it like it was normal. I translated what she said into American for her. The Government sends an official to your house to tell you how to raise your own children.

Just...what the fuck?
 

mindlessobserver

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Why the fuck would you even visit London?

Come over here to God's own county, North Yorkshire next time.

London was where the reunion dinner was. I made a point of renting a car and heading out of the city though. It's very different outside the city. Among which is the demand for everyone to pucker their anus for October 31. On the M4 it was absolute silence. The rest stops were the usual, road alert signs were blank.

The moment I switch to the M5? Oh lord. Alert signs every few miles warning that shit will change for drivers and freight haulers on the 31st. Every service stop had a stand stuffed with pamphlets trying to explain Brexit. I kept one as a souvenir. It was nonsense btw and thoroughly unhelpful beyond a firm declaration that truck drivers are fucked come November 1. Not blind to the fact that absolutely none of that shit was posted or presented on the main carriageway supporting central london. It's like everyone on the M4 around london is to be deliberately or willfully kept in the dark.

I think that is what has made me so mad. The cameras, the blatant manipulations, the....everything...its so in your face I am appalled nobody is talking about it. It makes my skin crawl.
 

Dom Cruise

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I've never been there but I would say the last halfway decent decade for England was the 2000s, but in the 2010s things have gone so crazy it beggars belief.

It's a shame because I love classic England, especially the Victorian era up to the mid-20th century, it's horrible how all that heritage is being ruined, this American feels for you guys.
 
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