Analysis Megathread -

[WachtAmWeb]

Raises the question, at least in my mind, if Jace has ever seen the gore and actual damage of what a round of that caliber does.

Not exactly the same as sending a 19 year old to Khe Sanh during the '68 Offensive, but I think it could go down that general path.

Now, I'm hesitant to think that any recreation, dramatization of war, or even footage of war can emulate actually being boots on the ground there. However we know how far down the rabbit hole Jace goes with his roleplaying, with his self-insertion in things to carry his illusion of actually having been there. We've seen this during his last time in ARMA II.

It's probably nothing we'll ever see on livestream or whatever, unless someone flashes those casualty pictures from Chechnya, Syria, or whatever on Fact Zone or a call in segment in lieu of a dick pic, but it makes me wonder. Will he have immediate disgust and snap back? Or will he sit there for a few seconds and ask questions about what he is seeing.

"This was a Syrian rebel, his face was blown off from a shell fired from a Russian APC."

"This man led the first patrol outside of Khe Sahn during the Tet Offensive. He was only three years younger than you when he died leading twenty two men."

"This is a veteran of Chechnya, he left his legs and ability to walk behind when he was shipped home, like you apparently. He now begs for spare change on a little cart on a busy intersection."

"This is an Iraqi who tried to escape his vehicle trying to escape Kuwait. He suffered the same fate as this "Bradley Stevens": burned alive in the skeletal hulk of a vehicle as the world fell apart around him. Does this sight ring a bell?"

"This little girl was a Palestinian in Beirut who was killed by a Christian Militia during the Lebanon War. Her mother is in the pile she lays on top of. Does Deagle Nation condone the killing of Muslims like her? Even in an active warzone where Israel has once again religion guides war? Has Eli reported to you any similar events happening in Gaza right now? His supposed Area of Operations? Because they're happening now."

One of the worst things about Jace is the fact that he probably has seen some hardcore gore, and he's OK with it as long as it's not Americans. The shit he writes in the torture scenes in Tiberius Rising aren't just a YOUNG MAN's retarded fantasies - they're informed. Don't forget that Jace has a surprising ability to completely stop caring about people if they're outside the parameters for being worth his care - Muslims, for example. He doesn't just hate them for being different - he actually wants to see them die.
In the early days several /k/ommandos sent Jace combat pictures, and he didn't give a fuck about stuff showing the Holocaust, the My Lai massacre, dead Palestinian civilians from Operation Cast Lead, Soviet POWs murdered by the Nazis, etc. He only cared about the images of dead or wounded US servicemen.

 

[BillRiley]

In the early days several /k/ommandos sent Jace combat pictures, and he didn't give a fuck about stuff showing the Holocaust, the My Lai massacre, dead Palestinian civilians from Operation Cast Lead, Soviet POWs murdered by the Nazis, etc. He only cared about the images of dead or wounded US servicemen.

I'm mildly surprised he even responded to the pictures of US casualties. I suppose it would be in keeping with his Commander Stryker woundedveteranmarinerespectmei'malwaysright fantasy world to respond with some kind of super-patriot bullshit, but otherwise I doubt Jace really differentiates between fantasy violence and real world violence.

tl:dr - You could show Jace pictures of real casualties all day and he wouldn't feel any different than if he'd been playing COD.

 

[WachtAmWeb]

I'm mildly surprised he even responded to the pictures of US casualties. I suppose it would be in keeping with his Commander Stryker woundedveteranmarinerespectmei'malwaysright fantasy world to respond with some kind of super-patriot bullshit, but otherwise I doubt Jace really differentiates between fantasy violence and real world violence.

tl:dr - You could show Jace pictures of real casualties all day and he wouldn't feel any different than if he'd been playing COD.

He was a bit different back then - more cocky, less willing to admit when he was wrong or didn't know something, even touchier, and much less aware of trolling. He hadn't built Commander Stryker up that much either - he was probably already playing pretend as Stryker sometimes, but he was much more mentally stable. I think the experience of the whole Team-Gamerfood-as-Muslims thing, plus his majorly increased drug and alcohol intake in the summer and autumn of 2013, are what broke him into the mess he is today. Before, he could differentiate between fantasy violence and real violence, but not much, and fantasy violence for him was much less visceral and sadistic for him than it is now.

 

[BillRiley]

He was a bit different back then - more cocky, less willing to admit when he was wrong or didn't know something, even touchier, and much less aware of trolling.

I'm having a hard time imagining an even more cocky and less touchy Jace, but I'll take your word for it. I haven't seen many of the old videos yet.

He hadn't built Commander Stryker up that much either - he was probably already playing pretend as Stryker sometimes, but he was much more mentally stable. I think the experience of the whole Team-Gamerfood-as-Muslims thing, plus his majorly increased drug and alcohol intake in the summer and autumn of 2013, are what broke him into the mess he is today.

In your estimation, about how long has Commander Stryker been around? Is there a 'genesis' of Commander Stryker like there was with Chris-Tran and Sonichu?

Before, he could differentiate between fantasy violence and real violence, but not much, and fantasy violence for him was much less visceral and sadistic for him than it is now.

It's pretty typical of dissociative personality disorders. Jace displays some pretty severe detachment in a few of his videos, particularly when stressed. (As I'm sure has been pointed out many times before. Press 'late' gamers! )

 

[FlyAwayNow]

In your estimation, about how long has Commander Stryker been around? Is there a 'genesis' of Commander Stryker like there was with Chris-Tran and Sonichu?

He's been around for a year at this point, maybe a year and a half.

Truly, at least in my opinion, and also speaking from the fact I was there when he was first discovered, it really was when /k/ and 4chan picked his scent up and started doing the rounds, giving him shit for what was all wrong about him. I mean, up until that point he had no friction from anyone calling him wrong otherwise, at least, none that we could see or research about.

Also: I think really the end of /k/'s collective involvement and toleration was the trial I had set up last October.

 

[Quail]

I'm mildly surprised he even responded to the pictures of US casualties. I suppose it would be in keeping with his Commander Stryker woundedveteranmarinerespectmei'malwaysright fantasy world to respond with some kind of super-patriot bullshit, but otherwise I doubt Jace really differentiates between fantasy violence and real world violence.

tl:dr - You could show Jace pictures of real casualties all day and he wouldn't feel any different than if he'd been playing COD.

Perhaps that was partially why he reacted? In his Spec Ops video (I know I know, discussed to death), he makes a big point of how unhappy he was fighting American soldiers. Thinking about all the COD's from Modern Warfare onward, I can't really think of any sections where western soldiers are killed or wounded without it being treated as a horrible thing or indicate a worsening situation. I mean generic NPC's can die but it's easy enough to miss the fact that one of your allies was replaced mid-level by an identical soldier unless you were trying to memorise their names- which I doubt Jace would do given how he feels about reading.

 

[WachtAmWeb]

In your estimation, about how long has Commander Stryker been around? Is there a 'genesis' of Commander Stryker like there was with Chris-Tran and Sonichu?

IIRC Jace was using the pseudonym "Jack Stryker" as far back as 2011, when he made his Facebook page - his name on it was Jace Connors with "Jack Stryker" as an alias. From the first chapter of Tiberius Rising, published in November 2012 when Jace had been being trolled by /k/ for about 6 weeks, it's obvious that Stryker is a Mary-Sue version of Jace. But like I said - Jace didn't start willingly going on camera to roleplay as Stryker until comparatively recently - hell, it took him a long time to start openly calling himself "Commander Stryker"; I think the first time he said it on camera was in the Hater Hitlist/Torrent videos.

He's been around for a year at this point, maybe a year and a half.

Truly, at least in my opinion, and also speaking from the fact I was there when he was first discovered, it really was when /k/ and 4chan picked his scent up and started doing the rounds, giving him shit for what was all wrong about him. I mean, up until that point he had no friction from anyone calling him wrong otherwise, at least, none that we could see or research about.

Also: I think really the end of /k/'s collective involvement and toleration was the trial I had set up last October.

Pretty much this. Until Jace started being actively trolled he was content to just spit bullshit without trying to offend anyone per se (although he was already standing by political opinions that would get him shouted down in any discussion). Jace's reaction to getting trolled by /k/ was to stick to his guns so hard that he ended up going far beyond his original idea of being a cool dudebro who liked sick-looking guns with flames on them.
Also FAN is quite correct that /k/'s involvement has been extremely limited by the stance currently being taken by the mod/janitor (viz: Jace threads on /k/ lead to trolling, raids, etc, which is against 4chan's rules). I should point out that while I enjoyed Jace stuff on 4chan, I understand why the moderators didn't. There are a lot of /k/ommandos who are aware to some extent who Jace is and what the deal is with him, but a lot of them don't lurk these forums or know all the backstory, so they tend to do ween shit instead of appreciating the long game. Jace is definitely part of the /k/ meta though, there's Willis cartoons and countless photoshops of him which occasionally do the rounds - and, as we've seen from the Origins thread, plenty of /k/ommandos maintain a presence here to keep an eye on Jace and participate in the top-class discussion here.
/waffle

 

[Soew]

It's VERY clear that early on in his life when he was diagnosed with his illness that it was handled very poorly and that's why he keeps it locked away behind thousands of delusions and its truly sad he had no one to help him with it.

i'm not totally sure about that, schizophrenia is rarely diagnosed early in life because late adolescence to early adulthood is when the most serious symptoms start to arise (typically). i don't know exactly when Jace started his meds but if it was during the disappearance or after then his entire shift in personality from stupid bro-dude to insane mess could be explained by the onset of schizophrenia. most often schizophrenia is diagnosed after a major psychotic break i suspect the hater hit list video plus the other torrent vids were the breakdown that resulted in Jace's diagnosis.

interesting little fact there is research indicating that weed and schizophrenia may be related and that use of weed in adolescence may put the individual at greater risk for developing schizophrenia (assuming the individual is already genetically predisposed).

 

[KingofManga420]

i'm not totally sure about that, schizophrenia is rarely diagnosed early in life because late adolescence to early adulthood is when the most serious symptoms start to arise (typically). i don't know exactly when Jace started his meds but if it was during the disappearance or after then his entire shift in personality from stupid bro-dude to insane mess could be explained by the onset of schizophrenia. most often schizophrenia is diagnosed after a major psychotic break i suspect the hater hit list video plus the other torrent vids were the breakdown that resulted in Jace's diagnosis.

interesting little fact there is research indicating that weed and schizophrenia may be related and that use of weed in adolescence may put the individual at greater risk for developing schizophrenia (assuming the individual is already genetically predisposed).

I know that it's rarely ever in early life, but my point still stands that whenever he was diagnosed he had no one to help him with this. And that's actually pretty damn sad. The Hater Hit list and torrent weren't a breakdown. That was pure drug induced insanity. Weed, Adderall and Robotussin. A meal fit for a Commander.

 

[Lou]

There's definitely a huge shift between the early Jace videos and the current stuff he's doing. It's really weird to go back and watch the old stuff and see how almost normal he used to be to the point where stuff like Vlog-ust is actually kind of boring in my opinion on this site. It seems really likely at this point that schizophrenia is the explanation but I'd love to have some information about Jace when he was in high school or even earlier. It would give a real insight into his current mindset and just how much he has changed, or maybe even not changed. It appears based on what we've seen that he was always a little unhinged but at some point he just lost it completely. Unfortunately the only people such information could come from are his friends, like Tyce or Eli, and most of them aren't exactly reliable. I'd love to have someone who use to have classes with Jace in school give some information like the Mimms and Lucas Q&A, it would be so interesting and insightful.

The little we can piece together is that he had a strange, extremely religious upbringing. That his family always appeared to have a close relationship with his pastor. That he was home schooled for quiet a long period of time. And, perhaps most importantly, his father abandoned the family at some point somewhat recently for reasons we don't know. Anything I'm missing?

 

[KingofManga420]

There's definitely a huge shift between the early Jace videos and the current stuff he's doing. It's really weird to go back and watch the old stuff and see how almost normal he used to be to the point where stuff like Vlog-ust is actually kind of boring in my opinion on this site. It seems really likely at this point that schizophrenia is the explanation but I'd love to have some information about Jace when he was in high school or even earlier. It would give a real insight into his current mindset and just how much he has changed, or maybe even not changed. It appears based on what we've seen that he was always a little unhinged but at some point he just lost it completely. Unfortunately the only people such information could come from are his friends, like Tyce or Eli, and most of them aren't exactly reliable. I'd love to have someone who use to have classes with Jace in school give some information like the Mimms and Lucas Q&A, it would be so interesting and insightful.

The little we can piece together is that he had a strange, extremely religious upbringing. That his family always appeared to have a close relationship with his pastor. That he was home schooled for quiet a long period of time. And, perhaps most importantly, his father abandoned the family at some point somewhat recently for reasons we don't know. Anything I'm missing?

We know he started off somewhat normal as a teenager, using manga to hide from his mom from what he implied.

 

[StallChaser]

i'm not totally sure about that, schizophrenia is rarely diagnosed early in life because late adolescence to early adulthood is when the most serious symptoms start to arise (typically). i don't know exactly when Jace started his meds but if it was during the disappearance or after then his entire shift in personality from stupid bro-dude to insane mess could be explained by the onset of schizophrenia. most often schizophrenia is diagnosed after a major psychotic break i suspect the hater hit list video plus the other torrent vids were the breakdown that resulted in Jace's diagnosis.

interesting little fact there is research indicating that weed and schizophrenia may be related and that use of weed in adolescence may put the individual at greater risk for developing schizophrenia (assuming the individual is already genetically predisposed).

They have found correlation, but no direct causal link. One theory is that it can trigger underlying brain problems. The other is that worse symptoms lead people to self-medicate more, making it an "ice cream sales are positively correlated with crime rate" kind of thing. There's no known mechanism for cannabis to make schizophrenia worse, which is the only way to really prove it.

 

[Flowers For Sonichu]

Sativa is the one that gives people "the fear", as long as he sticks to good ol "indigo" it will make him chill out.

 

[KillerBob]

Sativa is the one that gives people "the fear", as long as he sticks to good ol "indigo" it will make him chill out.

Potentially yes, but I wouldn't vouch for the quality of Kyle's weed. This is the 'Pure THC' guy we're talking about here...

 

[Duke Nukem]

Perhaps that was partially why he reacted? In his Spec Ops video (I know I know, discussed to death), he makes a big point of how unhappy he was fighting American soldiers. Thinking about all the COD's from Modern Warfare onward, I can't really think of any sections where western soldiers are killed or wounded without it being treated as a horrible thing or indicate a worsening situation. I mean generic NPC's can die but it's easy enough to miss the fact that one of your allies was replaced mid-level by an identical soldier unless you were trying to memorise their names- which I doubt Jace would do given how he feels about reading.

I'd say that Spec Ops: The Line is definitely a welcome break from the "America Fuck Yeah" deal that COD seems to promote. And it certainly doesn't shy away from many of the harsh realities of war and CIA operations. I'm not sure how far he got, but perhaps he'd be seeing a lot of similarity between Konrad and Stryker and it would really fuck with his preconceived notions of the world and stuff. Personally, I think that's kind of the point of the game.

Actually, in Modern Warfare 2, General Shepherd goes rogue, and tries to eliminate Soap and Cpt. Price, using an American black ops team called Shadow Company. Not sure if he's played the campaign much, but American villains do in fact exist in at least one COD game. It's kind of ironic, considering it's seemingly his favorite series of all time. That being said, I wouldn't mind seeing his reaction to this part of the MW2 campaign.

As for FlyAwayNow's deal regarding whether Jace has seen actual graphic war violence, he has seen some on film and in images at least. Worse, he's compiled a load of it into "Muslims Getting OWNED" kind of playlists, suggesting that he not only gives no shits about them, he seems to revel in it, as long as it's Middle Easterners and Muslims, and not American troops getting blown up or whatever. This just further reinforces my idea that he has a very black and white view of the world, even though in reality, things are nothing like that.

 

[Quail]

Actually, in Modern Warfare 2, General Shepherd goes rogue, and tries to eliminate Soap and Cpt. Price, using an American black ops team called Shadow Company. Not sure if he's played the campaign much, but American villains do in fact exist in at least one COD game. It's kind of ironic, considering it's seemingly his favorite series of all time. That being said, I wouldn't mind seeing his reaction to this part of the MW2 campaign.

As for FlyAwayNow's deal regarding whether Jace has seen actual graphic war violence, he has seen some on film and in images at least. Worse, he's compiled a load of it into "Muslims Getting OWNED" kind of playlists, suggesting that he not only gives no shits about them, he seems to revel in it, as long as it's Middle Easterners and Muslims, and not American troops getting blown up or whatever. This just further reinforces my idea that he has a very black and white view of the world, even though in reality, things are nothing like that.

Well given that one time he pointed a gun at his mother we certainly know he's aware of Makarov so he's aware of the story for at least MW2 or MW3 to a certain extent, since this is Jace we're talking about he's probably got all the achievements in both including the ones for the campaigns. However I'd argue that the central difference between The Line and Modern Warfare in how Jace perceives their stance on the US military lies in how they present the characters. In Spec Ops all the Americans genuinely believe they are doing the right thing either for the citizens of Dubai or for the US, they are heroes, patriots and saviours. However, they disagree in their courses of action and in the end do horrible things because they feel that the actions cost is outweighed by the good it causes. One thing the games does very well is have a grey-on-grey morality.

Modern Warfare however makes it very clear, it's pretty much spelled out in one of the first missions of MW1 where one character asks another if the Russians they are to fight beside are the 'good Russians or the bad Russians', like people can so easily be sorted into moral groups. In Modern Warfare 2, whilst Shepherd does turn out to be evil and have an army of American mercenaries do his dirty work as well as have an American involved as an active participant in a terrorist atrocity, there's never any moral uncertainty. The terrorist American was manipulated into being used as a fall guy to start WW3, Shepherd is a good guy right up until he betrays Task Force 141 and becomes unquestionably a bad guy, as soon as he does the bad guy mercenaries appear as his goons thus preventing the player from having to shoot US soldiers uninvolved in the conspiracy. COD doesn't do complicated morality, it doesn't do introspection. It'll have some speech about how revenge is corrosive or how war is bad but then it'll get right back to pointing you at bad guys who deserve everything you throw at them.

TL;DR: The reason Americans doing bad things is bad in Spec Ops but good in Call of Duty is that in one the game ends asking the player if they think they were in the right the entire time and the other ends with the bad guy getting a knife in his eye for all the evil stuff he did. Jace thinks COD is real life and doesn't like things which disagree with him.

I'd also argue that Jace sees real life as working with similar rules to video games with clearly defined good guys (the US) and bad guys (Muslims). Thus seeing one get hurt is bad because they didn't deserve it and were saving the world but the other getting hurt is something that should be viewed in a similar way to the bad guys getting hurt in COD- they deserved it for being evil and their suffering is exciting (or however you'd best word the feeling of gunning down hundreds of bad guys in a FPS).

 

[Dr. Boe Jangles Esq.]

I'm new to Parkourdude91's bullshit, but I have a question:
Has anyone actually tested Tyce's literacy? For example, I'd be fascinated to see him attempt to type a full, coherent, grammatically correct sentance like:
Today, I woke up and had bacon, toast, and scrambled eggs.
I'm not kidding; I don't buy that there's anyone who's still illiterate in the first world today. I can't believe that. I just can't.

 

[WachtAmWeb]

I'm new to Parkourdude91's bullshit, but I have a question:
Has anyone actually tested Tyce's literacy? For example, I'd be fascinated to see him attempt to type a full, coherent, grammatically correct sentance like:
Today, I woke up and had bacon, toast, and scrambled eggs.
I'm not kidding; I don't buy that there's anyone who's still illiterate in the first world today. I can't believe that. I just can't.

The evidence suggests that Tyce is not completely illiterate, but is certainly a very slow reader and find spelling very challenging. It's possible there's nothing more complicated or serious than dyslexia at work here, although those of us who have been following the situation for some time can attest that the quality of Tyce's English has deteriorated remarkably since the start of the saga. Compare what Tyce was writing on Twitter a couple of years back with today; a couple of years ago Tyce was just another stoner dudebro - today he's regularly abusing solvents (including huffing methane gas fermented from his own shit) on top of the Deagle Nation favourites (home-grown bubonic hydroponic chronic and weak local shrooms) and it's clear that his writing is far worse. In the "Jace's intervention" and "going to the store to get Voltage" videos, it's clear that Tyce is extremely slow at reading simple labels in stores.

 

[WWWWolf]

Not too familiar with US military decorations, so I have to ask: anyone want to make an attempt to list what's on Jace's ribbons in the emergency livestream?
(...was posted upon this fine board, with full expectation the answer was "BudK Catalog Item #360NSCP420BLZIT Totally Badass And Totally American Mureen Ribbon Bars")