Analysis Megathread -

[steelsheep]

http://couragerc.org/?s=massachusetts&post_type[]=fiat-chapter&post_type[]=fiat-echapter&cat=0

oh look gay reprogramming camps right by him

Gotta pray his way out of the clutches of gay liberation music.

But yeah considering the prior events to him disapearing, and his overall shift in demeanor concerning his religious/anti-gay views afterwards, it seems a likely possibility.

 

[Andrew Noel Schaefer]

We've heard very little from Jace about his disappearance between November 2013 and January 2014. Indeed, we don't even know for sure (by all means correct me if I'm wrong, people) that Jace was at Bible camp. However, that seems to be the most likely scenario, given what Gail said when contacted by the CIA. Tyce has never dropped the bomb on what Jace got up to, and obviously Jace won't tell us because that would shatter his fantasy about being a muhreen.
It wouldn't surprise me that much if someone had tried to ghey up to Jace when he was off at Jesus camp, though. He's much more homophobic now, and religious youth retreats and the like are (perversely) notorious hotspots of abuse.

Remember that one video where his BITCH-ASS MOM took his Skrillex CD away on account of "Dubstep makes you gay" (This is true by the way... No it isnt. Im saying that it is for comedic effect)? Pretty much after that he started the whole gays-are-an-evil-empire thing.

His mention of a religious retreat is semi-confirmation of the bible camp. Of course we will never get a full, 100% confession that he never joined the marines and such, but if you pick up the bits and peices, everything fits in about at a 90% butanywaysweregettinofftopicere at theese bible retreats they do from my knowladge try to "Pray the gay away", even quite literally.

My point is, before that I cant recall any real railing against the homos. Almost like he didnt care.

 

[waffle]

I don't think he went to pray away the gay camp, if that's what you guys are saying. I do think it was probably a component of the camp that he latched onto though. I think it's somewhat likely that his dad is gay though and that's why he left Gail. Either that or she was consorting with Pastor Fagot. Shit, maybe both...

 

[Andrew Noel Schaefer]

No, I really dont think he went to Pray the Gay Away camp. Last stream did semi-confirm that he went to jesus camp due to FAN saying nothing as Jace brought it up, and Jace gettin BLANGRY in the silence

 

[Flowers For Sonichu]

Ok, so we have discussed Jace's mental problems, I want to cover his physical problems.

I'm pretty sure Jace has chronic gastritis--constant inflammation that can lead to serious ulcers if left untreated. I have the same problem, and it was most likely caused by me drinking every night during college. Fortunately for me, I was limited by being broke all the time and having to sober up for class in the morning. Jace, on the other hand, has had nothing to do but drink constantly until recently and slams two cans of Monster a day along with processed foods. In his streams, he heaves whenever he is really pissed off or shortly after drinking alcohol or monster/m dew. All he needs to do is take prilosec every day supplemented with zofram when needed + cut out caffine, alcohol, and refined sugars from his diet. I'm down from puking multiple times a day two years ago to once every couple of weeks or so.

 

[Lou]

Ok, so we have discussed Jace's mental problems, I want to cover his physical problems.

I'm pretty sure Jace has chronic gastritis--constant inflammation that can lead to serious ulcers if left untreated. I have the same problem, and it was most likely caused by me drinking every night during college. Fortunately for me, I was limited by being broke all the time and having to sober up for class in the morning. Jace, on the other hand, has had nothing to do but drink constantly until recently and slams two cans of Monster a day along with processed foods. In his streams, he heaves whenever he is really pissed off or shortly after drinking alcohol or monster/m dew. All he needs to do is take prilosec every day supplemented with zofram when needed + cut out caffine, alcohol, and refined sugars from his diet. I'm down from puking multiple times a day two years ago to once every couple of weeks or so.

Jace admitted on one of the live streams that he hasn't drunk water in two years, which I have to imagine REALLY wouldn't help with whatever his medical condition is. Him changing that seems about as likely as him getting a job, quitting weed or anything else that is against his "lifestyle".

Would chronic gastritis explain his weight loss? He's really slimmed down compared to the older videos.

As for Jaces dad, he must have only abandoned the family somewhat recently, because Jace mentions him in some of the older videos. I really wonder if he has no contact at all with Jace or if Jace just doesn't want to speak to him. It seems strange that a father would break off all contact from his child. If he is gay like Tyce said I can see Jace wanting nothing to do with him.

 

[Edhelharn]

Remember that one video where his BITCH-ASS MOM took his Skrillex CD away on account of "Dubstep makes you gay" (This is true by the way... No it isnt. Im saying that it is for comedic effect)? Pretty much after that he started the whole gays-are-an-evil-empire thing.

His mention of a religious retreat is semi-confirmation of the bible camp. Of course we will never get a full, 100% confession that he never joined the marines and such, but if you pick up the bits and peices, everything fits in about at a 90% butanywaysweregettinofftopicere at theese bible retreats they do from my knowladge try to "Pray the gay away", even quite literally.

My point is, before that I cant recall any real railing against the homos. Almost like he didnt care.

Well, in his very first video he says that he supports Mitt Romney because "he doesn't allow fags to marry, which is 100% a-okay with me." Still, I guess that is a far cry from his current stance.

 

[Flowers For Sonichu]

Would chronic gastritis explain his weight loss? He's really slimmed down compared to the older videos.

I lost 25 lbs in a matter of months, so most definitely.

 

[Night Terror]

His teeth are in remarkably good condition considering his terrible diet and poor hygiene.

 

[Lou]

I'd really like to discuss Jace's narcissism. As someone who grew up with a narcissist (my father) it is something which really interests me.

First of all it's worth noting that many narcissists aren't as transparently narcissistic as Jace is, they are often very charming. This makes me wonder how Jace acts in the real world. In some of his videos where he's in public (the one where he's shopping for air soft guns) he still seems to act the same. It's quiet obvious that Jace is awful socially, but I think this may have worsened over time. When he was still in school I doubt went as far as to proclaim himself God, say he's always right or expect the kind of unadulterated admiration he does, but obviously we don't know this for sure.

It seems like as Jace has become more involved with the internet he has become more transparently narcissistic, he is willing to say that he honestly believes he is right about everything. It's actually quiet fascinating as it's a glimpse into a mindset that is usually far more complex and difficult to see through. It took me years to figure out what was wrong with my father, but once I heard about narcissism I knew immediately that's what he had. Narcissists do believe they are always right, are perfect and that everyone is jealous of them, (for example in the FlyAwayNow call where Jace accused him of being jealous, as if anyone would be jealous of Jace's life) but most won't admit it as they know it would make them appear bad, they know it's socially unacceptable. Jace doesn't seem to give a shit anymore, he's on the internet where no one can question him to his face (when Tyce is around he acts different, albeit still narcissistic) and this allows him to live out the fantasies most narcissists keep within their own minds. Obviously this is fueled by his "fans". There seems to be something about talking to a camera which bring narcissism out too, watch something like the Elliot Rodger videos and you'll see what I mean. Narcissists seem to be far more willing to "open up" to a camera.

It's actually an extremely difficult thing for someone who's never had a close relationship to a narcissist to fathom. It's a very strange condition, they literally cannot believe they are wrong, it can't even enter their minds. Often when they have appeared bad they'll come up with stories and effectively rewrite their own history, but what's most disturbing is they genuinely believe these rewritten stories, they forget the originals so in their mind they appear perfect. When a narcissist is questioned or "disrespected" they will often explode into anger too, just like Jace.

A list of narcissist symptoms from a psychology site, literally all of them apply to Jace. Actually, they apply to Chris too, but I think we all know he's a narcissist. Also, Elliot Rodger.

• Reacts to criticism with anger, shame or humiliation

• Takes advantage of others to reach his or her own goals

• Exaggerates own importance

• Exaggerates achievements and talents

• Entertains unrealistic fantasies about success, power, beauty, intelligence or romance

• Has unreasonable expectation of favorable treatment

• Requires constant attention and positive reinforcement from others

• Is easily jealous

• Disregards the feelings of others, lacks empathy
• Has obsessive self-interest

• Pursues mainly selfish goals

Sorry for the long post, there's a lot more I could write but I think this is enough, the final thing I'll say is that there is no cure or treatment for narcissism. There's a lot of argument about what causes it, but nothing for sure, however one of the main reasons I've heard is childhood neglect.

 

[DeagleDad420]

Jace's narcissism

I want to sticky this or something because it is so spot on it's unbelievable, you've hit all the right marks that I've been seeing in him for years, but in a way I haven't been able to express properly.

I think understanding his narcissism is absolutely integral to understanding him as a person and his delusions. The part about rewriting history is especially disturbing and insightful because it tells us a lot about his whole "Marine Boot Camp" fantasy he made up to replace going to Jesus Camp.

 

[Lou]

I want to sticky this or something because it is so spot on it's unbelievable, you've hit all the right marks that I've been seeing in him for years, but in a way I haven't been able to express properly.

I think understanding his narcissism is absolutely integral to understanding him as a person and his delusions. The part about rewriting history is especially disturbing and insightful because it tells us a lot about his whole "Marine Boot Camp" fantasy he made up to replace going to Jesus Camp.

Thanks, like I said I have a lot of personal experience with narcissism and it's something I've done a fair amount of research on because of this.

And yes, the rewritten history part is very disturbing. What people might struggle to understand is that Jace probably doesn't believe he is lying at this point. It's more likely he genuinely believes he was in boot camp, that he's been on missions and that Tupac is in Palestine. Also, his self importance is unbelievable, like in the last stream when he though Postal 2 was maybe made for him and that he has "millions, maybe even billions" of fans, which echoes something Chris said during his renaissance.

I think this might be why so many people think Jace is an actor, same with Chris. It's such a bizarre mindset that people who don't have a lot of exposure to it just can't understand. It's funny too because most of the fake lolcows, people like Jared Milton, are really fucking obvious. Like its says on the wiki, there's no way an actor could stay in character the way Jace does for an entire 3-5 hour livestream. But I can't blame people for rejecting the idea he's a real person, sometimes I can't believe he's real myself for a moment.

 

[Bork Laser]

Thanks, like I said I have a lot of personal experience with narcissism and it's something I've done a fair amount of research on because of this.

And yes, the rewritten history part is very disturbing. What people might struggle to understand is that Jace probably doesn't believe he is lying at this point. It's more likely he genuinely believes he was in boot camp, that he's been on missions and that Tupac is in Palestine. Also, his self importance is unbelievable, like in the last stream when he though Postal 2 was maybe made for him and that he has "millions, maybe even billions" of fans, which echoes something Chris said during his renaissance.

I think this might be why so many people think Jace is an actor, same with Chris. It's such a bizarre mindset that people who don't have a lot of exposure to it just can't understand. It's funny too because most of the fake lolcows, people like Jared Milton, are really fucking obvious. Like its says on the wiki, there's no way an actor could stay in character the way Jace does for an entire 3-5 hour livestream. But I can't blame people for rejecting the idea he's a real person, sometimes I can't believe he's real myself for a moment.

There is something I noticed on his last live stream. When he stuck his hand inside his mouth for a brief second he went into this spaz moment where he was throwing up. To be honest that looked really fake. I'm not saying he's an actor doing this for the lulz but I believe some of the stuff Jace does is purely for attention, positive or negative. In his own little mind set if people are paying attention to him then people are respecting him.

 

[DeagleDad420]

In his own little mind set if people are paying attention to him then people are respecting him.

If this was true he wouldn't be so self-conscious and he wouldn't throw a fucking temper tantrum every time someone criticized him in the most minor way. Validation and attention are different things, Jace wants the former.

 

[Dork Of Ages]

I believe Rob's intervention will cause Jace to change his behavior in some way for the coming weeks or so.

 

[Andrew Noel Schaefer]

Actually, anyone notice that more recently his narcacism is becoming quite a tad bit greater? I know he has always been a narc, but it seems to be developing even bigger with more recent things.

Maybe its just me.

OH! Quick pop-psych reason on why he has the conspiracys against the Gay Illumanti and Muslim Trolls trying to go after him: One reason people belive in wacked-out conspiracy theorys involving THEM trying to get you would be because if THEY want you (and THEY/THEM in this case can be whoever the conspiracy is targeted towards - Gay Illumantis, Majestic 12, Space aliens, you name it) then YOU must be pretty important to get their attention.

So uh... More evidance that Jace is a full-blown Narcacist

Edit: Example: Tupac (trolls) calling Jace and saying that he is hidden in a Rap bunker. Dispite being very, very implausible, Jace chose to belive this enough to want to go to Gaza (and failing that, sending Eli) because if Tupac somehow called Jace of all people in a islamist torture compound, then by god, Jace is important! HE IS! THE SOLDIER! OF THE BATTLEFEILD!

 

[Lou]

Anything which validates, encourages, justifies or makes a narcissist feel good is something they'll latch onto. With Jace I'd definitely agree that the conspiracy theories around him fall into this. Remember in the last stream when that guy called in and just complimented him? He couldn't get enough and when it turned out he was just fucking with him he literally said "he still meant all that stuff though". He's far more willing to be delusional if it makes him feel good, validates him, etc.

The more I see of Jace the more I'm starting to believe the main reason he has his internet presence is to get this validation and encouragement. He'll claim it's for the "fans" because that makes him look good. But I think it's almost all (if not completely) for selfish reasons.

Another of my favorite narcissistic Jace moments was his call with Deagle Nation Deux where he said he just wanted to convince them he was right (because he's never wrong) and asked how he could do this. Obviously to any rational, normal person that is not how you have a discussion, but to Jace it was a perfectly viable argument.

 

[StallChaser]

Anything which validates, encourages, justifies or makes a narcissist feel good is something they'll latch onto. With Jace I'd definitely agree that the conspiracy theories around him fall into this. Remember in the last stream when that guy called in and just complimented him? He couldn't get enough and when it turned out he was just fucking with him he literally said "he still meant all that stuff though". He's far more willing to be delusional if it makes him feel good, validates him, etc.

The more I see of Jace the more I'm starting to believe the main reason he has his internet presence is to get this validation and encouragement. He'll claim it's for the "fans" because that makes him look good. But I think it's almost all (if not completely) for selfish reasons.

Another of my favorite narcissistic Jace moments was his call with Deagle Nation Deux where he said he just wanted to convince them he was right (because he's never wrong) and asked how he could do this. Obviously to any rational, normal person that is not how you have a discussion, but to Jace it was a perfectly viable argument.

You especially see that a lot in his interactions with FlyAwayNow. During the Tyce trial after Jace lost all his patience, he told FAN he was just supposed to find Tyce guilty because he's right. During the Starbucks hunt, it was "why don't you just admit that I'm right. It'll be a whole lot easier."

He has a harder time buying into his own bullshit when he's back on his meds, which is one good reason he keeps going off them.

 

[Andrew Noel Schaefer]

Its also why Flyawaynow is the best Jace troll. He fights Jace on what Jace thinks his level is.

Let me explain. Jace thinks himself as a very heavily educated individual rather then a retard. Flyawaynow does not fight Jace like a retard, but as a heavily educated individual. This really pisses him off!

 

[The Dude]

I want to sticky this or something because it is so spot on it's unbelievable, you've hit all the right marks that I've been seeing in him for years, but in a way I haven't been able to express properly.

I think understanding his narcissism is absolutely integral to understanding him as a person and his delusions. The part about rewriting history is especially disturbing and insightful because it tells us a lot about his whole "Marine Boot Camp" fantasy he made up to replace going to Jesus Camp.

I keep going back and forth on whether Jace has actually convinced himself he went to boot camp to block out the fact that he was sent to Jesus Camp, or if he's just making it up to hide the truth and try to impress people. I mean he has got some serious, deep down delusions which is evident by the fact that he honestly believes that people buy into the whole "I'm a Marine" shtick.