Anarcho-capitalists - Free markets on steroids, Rothbardian lunacy, and other Ancapistan stupidity

chimpburgers

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These loons believe in some very far out ideas and it's time to make fun of them. They are on Reddit first and foremost. I'm in a rush but I want to get the basic gist of this spergy movement out of the way.

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This whole Reddit page is spergy as fuck fam.

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From my favorite Rothbardian nutjob Lew Rockwell:

https://mises.org/library/why-i-am-anarcho-capitalist

A great many people — more than ever, probably — describe themselves as supporters of the free market today, in spite of the unrelenting propaganda against it. And that’s great. Those statements of support, however, are followed by the inevitable but: but we need government to provide physical security and dispute resolution, the most critical services of all.

Almost without a thought, people who otherwise support the market want to assign to government the production of the most important goods and services. Many favor a government or government-delegated monopoly on the production of money, and all support a government monopoly on the production of law and protection services.

Rothbardianism is a whole different animal of batshit crazy IMO.

How do we in the Rothbardian camp view the state? Not as the indispensable provider of law and order, or security, or other so-called “public goods.” (The whole theory of public goods is shot through with fallacies anyway.) The state, rather, is a parasitic institution that lives off the wealth of its subjects, concealing its anti-social, predatory nature beneath a public-interest veneer. It is, as Oppenheimer said, the organization of the political means to wealth. “The State,” wrote Rothbard,

Murray Rothbard himself said some really wild things in his time like this choice quote:

This can be illustrated in Rothbard’s argument for why parents should actually have the legal right not to feed their children and even kill them by starvation or neglect:

“Suppose now that the baby has been born. Then what? First, we may say that the parents-or rather the mother, who is the only certain and visible parent-as the creators of the baby become its owners. A newborn baby cannot be an existent self-owner in any sense. Therefore, either the mother or some other party or parties may be the baby’s owner, but to assert that a third party can claim his ‘ownership’ over the baby would give that person the right to seize the baby by force from its natural or ‘homesteading’ owner, its mother. The mother, then, is the natural and rightful owner of the baby, and any attempt to seize the baby by force is an invasion of her property right."


There's a lot more of this bizarre shit out there, I'm sure, especially on Tumblr where you might find some more of these clowns to make fun of.

There's even different kinds of anarcho-capitalism too. It's all really spergy shit but the Rothbard followers have the craziest ideas.

Adam Kokesh is one of the biggest retards of this movement that I know of:

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/07/10/us/dc-kokesh-search/

This was when he got arrested a few years ago.

There's a lot more out there.

This is an anarcho-capitalist Tumblr, but this person claims to be of the David Friedman variant, which is less lulzy than the Rothbardian strain but still kinda out there nonetheless. David Friedman is the son of the late monetarist economist Milton Friedman.

http://profitmaximiser.tumblr.com/

Walter Block is a huge idiot too.

http://www.walterblock.com/


So is Hans-Herman Hoppe.

http://www.dialoginternational.com/...1/04/the-sick-mind-of-hans-hermann-hoppe.html
 
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Penn Jillette has identified himself as an anarcho-capitalist a few times. He had a radio show about ten years ago where he would discuss it from time to time. He is a bit of a politico-hipster though so that could be part of the reason why.
 

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I never quite understood these guys' point of view, or the differences between them. What exactly are the differences between Rothbardian and Friedman anarcho-capitalists? Is it sort of like communism in that you have Leninism, Stalinism and Maoist doctrines of it?
I'd say the difference is that David Friedman identifies himself as a consequentialist and his approach to these ideas is viewed in that lens. The Rothbardians are much more about deontological ethics and really try to go far with that. I'm sure that ADK might also know a lot more about these different ways of thinking.

There's a whole thread that gets into the differences. I haven't read the whole thing yet but it's there.

http://archive.freecapitalists.org/forums/p/29440/514153.aspx
 

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I'd say the difference is that David Friedman identifies himself as a consequentialist and his approach to these ideas is viewed in that lens. The Rothbardians are much more about deontological ethics and really try to go far with that. I'm sure that ADK might also know a lot more about these different ways of thinking.

There's a whole thread that gets into the differences. I haven't read the whole thing yet but it's there.

http://archive.freecapitalists.org/forums/p/29440/514153.aspx
Essentially Rothbardians believe that the state infringes upon people's fundamental rights due to not being fully consensual whereas Friedman takes the position that the cost of having a state is greater than the benefit received from having one. Friedman is not a utilitarian and I am not quite sure how he defines his consequentialism.

I am an anarcho egoist and I think that the usage of moralistic arguments in favor of anarchism is not the way to go but rather that the burden of proof lies on the state for its justification in the same way that the burden of proof lies not on the atheist but rather on the theist. Likewise I think that any form of "The good of society" including the utility of macroeconomics measures such as median income must be supported by their advocates rather than by their opponents. I do believe that individuals do have preferences and that since others cannot successfully argue in favor of individuals acting to fulfill anything other than their own preferences that all actions should be taken for the purpose of maximizing preference satisfaction. I do not believe that all preferences are classically selfish though and rather take a position similar to the ethics of care as far as altruism goes arguing that altruism is not an obligation but rather is a fulfillment of overlapping preferences. Cooperation in the form of the free market is essential to fulfilling most people's preferences and so I advocate it and a system of contract enforcement in order to facilitate commercial activity, that may be considered a form of state but it differs from its exclusion of those who do not pay for it and the ease of obtaining citizenship (just pay low taxes and you can do so to as many pseudostates as you want). A privatized system that would give people character scores similar to sesame credit would help with people deciding to enter into agreements with other people. I do not believe that this will increase freedom in any way as it specifically will lead to the majority of the population being second class citizens with no legal rights and upper class going through a large series of bureaucracies in order to maintain this but I think that it is the equilibrium outcome of a legitimate social contract and I think that any anarcho capitalists who argue in favour of anarcho capitalism based off the notion of freedom are highly mistaken and perhaps outright childish.

I'll just post my favorite anarcho capatalist mocking comic ever.

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I don't understand what this comic is actually saying
 

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One of the contributors to Lew Rockwell.com is Gary North who believes in the execution of Homosexuals, Blasphemers, "Apostate Christians", disobedient children, women who've had abortions and so on. He believes that we should scrap the constitution and replace it with a theocracy. He has denied the holocaust before. He was excited about Y2K believing that he'd be able to construct a theocracy once society fell. He wants to get rid of welfare, inflation, the fractional-reserve banking system, and wants us to get back on the gold standard.
 

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One of the contributors to Lew Rockwell.com is Gary North who believes in the execution of Homosexuals, Blasphemers, "Apostate Christians", disobedient children, women who've had abortions and so on. He believes that we should scrap the constitution and replace it with a theocracy. He has denied the holocaust before. He was excited about Y2K believing that he'd be able to construct a theocracy once society fell. He wants to get rid of welfare, inflation, the fractional-reserve banking system, and wants us to get back on the gold standard.
In your opinion, is he threadworthy?
 

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This channel isn't as active but I found this video about Hoppe there.


Some names to take note of if you want to find some more content to talk about.

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Morrakiu's a musician for the alt-right now


With a voice like that, it's hard to think this guy wouldn't be a VIP to the helicopter rentals
 
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These people always confuse the hell out of me.
There have been very few people in the history of the universe who both supported an anarchist society and would survive said society. As I understand it, an anarcho-capitalist society is essentially your middle school for all eternity. Strong rule the weak, every man for himself, and if you mess up you're completely fucked forever. Best as I can figure, the people who would succeed in it would fall into 3 distinct categories:
1. People who were incredibly wealthy and paranoid before the system fell apart, and used those resources to consolidate power immediately (essentially becoming the new ruling class, which just kinda defeats the purpose).
2. Weird, self-sufficient recluses and isolated survivalists who've cut off any attachment to the world.
3. Violent psychopaths, now free of the system that previously kept them from redecorating their block with the corpses of its former residents.

Given that your average anarcho-capitalist is a chubby, middle class dude who spends most of his time on his ass, it's somewhat perplexing that they so strongly support a system in which their new role in society would be a coin toss between "slave/occasional gangrape victim" and "cold cuts".
 

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Given that your average anarcho-capitalist is a chubby, middle class dude who spends most of his time on his ass, it's somewhat perplexing that they so strongly support a system in which their new role in society would be a coin toss between "slave/occasional gangrape victim" and "cold cuts".

Their economic model requires the kind of free market conditions that have a functioning civil society as a prerequisite.

In their "utopia," though, without evil government coercion, nobody would pay for the infrastructure that makes such conditions possible.

The ancap utopia looks something like Somalia in actual practice.
 

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Their economic model requires the kind of free market conditions that have a functioning civil society as a prerequisite.

In their "utopia," though, without evil government coercion, nobody would pay for the infrastructure that makes such conditions possible.

The ancap utopia looks something like Somalia in actual practice.
Exactly. Why would anyone bother with any kind of market in a state of anarchy? You don't need to pay for anything owned by someone who's a worse shot than you are. And if the situation was reversed, why would they offer to let you buy or trade for something? If you had anything they wanted, they'd kill you and take it.
You know, for such an edgy bunch, they're almost overly optimistic. This belief that humans will behave civilly without a society that's built around forcing them to do so is bordering on childlike in it's naivete. I almost envy that level of faith in people; they must have a very pleasant view of the world.
 

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