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Oh boy, the UK Parliament has a problem, involving Zombie Land Saga. Plus memes, trans women and Twitter.


Zombie Land Saga's Lily Becomes Example in U.K Parliament Talks on Twitter Abuse
posted on 2019-05-03 03:45 UTC-8 by Andrew Osmond
Why did a Scottish MP hold up a picture of a cute Zombie Land Saga character in Parliament and say "Shut the f* up c*"?




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The collision of cute anime characters and toxic furious arguments may be old news to anime fans, but on Wednesday it reached Britain's Parliament. It culminated in the extraordinary sight of a Scottish MP flourishing a picture of the character Lily Hoshikawa from Zombie Land Saga combined with an obscene slogan. As she held up the picture, the same MP—Joanna Catherine Cherry QC of the Scottish National Party—used even worse obscenities in order to demonstrate the swamps of Twitter discourse.
The strange scene is on this video on the parliamentlive.tv site, with the specific moment at 15:43:15. The background, however, is complicated.
A couple of days earlier, a British author and journalist named Helen Lewis, who is the deputy editor of the political journal New Statesman, got into a spat with well-known pro gamer and self-identifying furry SonicFox, also known as Dominique McLean. McLean had posted a Tweet making clear his opinion of "TERFs" (trans-exclusionary radical feminists). McLean's Tweet, which appears to have been since deleted, depicted a male game character beating up a female game character, captioned, "What I do to TERFs."
In a further wrinkle, the character who was shown being attacked in McLean's Tweet was Sonya Blade in the game Mortal Kombat 11. This character was voiced in the game by female wrestler Ronda Rousey, who has made controversial comments about trans wrestler Fallon Fox, and has been accused of being transphobic.





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According to Helen Lewis' own later account in the New Statesman, where she makes plenty of controversial comments of her own, Lewis accused McLean of glorifying misogyny. Lewis argues that TERF is a slur used against women beyond its original meaning and accuses those that perpetuate it as giving in to an "old impulse towards woman-hating, but [they] won't admit it, and have convinced themselves they are only chastising the impure. Witch-finders did something similar in the 17th century." In return, McLean accused Lewis of being a "TERF" herself. Other people on Twitter then attacked Lewis, including one who sent her an obscene Tweet featuring Lily from Zombie Land Saga.
Lewis retweeted this herself, adding her own comment: "The implied death tweet is one thing, but god, does it have to be so twee?" The picture (crudely) combines the smiling Lily with a "real" photographed hand holding a gun.
The character Lily from the anime series was revealed to be a trans girl.
It was this Tweet that was directly referenced by Joanna Cherry MP in the Human Rights Committee Q&A in Parliament, held on May 1. Cherry was questioning Katy Minshall, Twitter's Head of UK Government, Public Policy and Philanthropy, on the subject of the abuse of women on Twitter. In the Parliament video, the main discussion of the Tweet is from 15:39:17 onward, but the crowning moment—surely one of the strangest public representations of anime in history—is from 15:43:15, containing extremelyoffensive language.



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Cherry holds up the picture and quotes it as "Shut the f* up, c," instead of the image's text which reads "Shut the f** up, TERF".
The Q&A session is reported on the BBC and Tech Crunch websites.
McLean responded to the parliamentary talks on Twitter and addressed Lewis' editorial on May 1. He argued, "You still don't address the actual abusive nature of TERFs in general, and keep presuming it as some kind of identity when it's just another hate group that people, BOTH men and women alike subscribe to.
"TERFs are things both men and women subscribe to alike (I know this as you sent a bunch at me) and the fact that you made it only about women makes you really f***ing disingenuous. And I will continue to stand up to actual abusers like you and your followers in power," McLean wrote.
 

Ali della Fenice

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Damn! Funny that happened at all. All those uncomfortable questions the kids probably had for their parents!
It happened way more than you would think.
from what I can tell in Italy, at least on national TV, anime got banned pretty much immediately, because of violence complaints. I think the culprit was MazingerZ, but Im not sure. We're talking about the 70s, I think.
All the anime kids grew up with during the mid 70s, 80s and 90s, were aired by regional tv stations.
 
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Trilby

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It happened way more than you would think.
from what I can tell in Italy, at least on national TV, anime got banned pretty much immediately, because of violence complaints. I think the culprit was MazingerZ, but Im not sure. We're talking about the 70s, I think.
All the anime kids grew up with during the mid 70s, 80s and 90s, were aired by regional tv stations.
That only ever came about after Italy passed laws that allowed region/private stations to exist, as prior to the late 70's, all TV in the country had been state-owned. I wouldn't doubt the influx of Japanese cartoons was due to these new channels needing something to play and grabbed what they could without concern for the public.
 
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CheezzyMach

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I just recently got into Saint Seiya * through the Lost Canvas on Netflix* and I am deeply saddened it never took off in the US like it did in our Southern brethren's land.

It also reintroduced me to my childhood friend DIC* the guys who originally dubbed Sailor Moon*
Good ol' DIC
 

Ali della Fenice

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Prison School Vol. 1, this manga is raunchy. The moment you see the principal you expect him to be this wise old sage but instead you get the complete opposite, the art is fantastic.
I Always thought him to be some kinf of self insert of the autor. Daigo himself draws hentai too, so it would be no surprise.
 

Null

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I forced myself to watch all of Lain and I have to say it was complete and utter shit. The entire series should have been a 1 to 2 hour long OVA. The show was 50% lingering close-ups on emotionless faces and 25% lingering shots of electrical wires. The other 25% was noise. It felt like it was pretending to be a lot deeper than it actually was and I didn't walk away from it with any strong feelings other than irritation. I don't even know why I forced myself to sit through it. The ending was the best part because it actually had meaning with a bonus of being the last of the shitty fucking show.
 

Marcus the Mong

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While I love Lain, I do think that Konata's scripts feel "stretched".
It's the same with Texhnolyze and Big O, strong start and ending, but the middle at times feels like it's going nowhere.
 
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Wow, Null's taste is utter shit.
I liked Lain, although it's been a while since I've seen it.

Still, while there are some works which you have to take seriously even if you don't like them, I don't believe Lain is at that sort of level.

If you say "Tolkein's Lord of the Rings is shit" I'd dismiss your opinions as idiotic. If you say "Lain is shit" I'd disagree, but I'd read your arguments.
 

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Wasn't Lain originally created/written in such a way so as to create a West vs. East war over the anime except it caused the exact opposite of what was intended?
I've heard that, but I never really heard the idea explained -- like, say, they expected Western audiences to identify Lain's father as God and Eastern ones to identify Lain as a Buddha, or something like that.
 
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I didn't even know you dabbled with anime @Null. Do you have a favorite?
I don't watch an anime unless I'm curious about it, same with movies or books. I do not seek it out.

I remember enjoying Higurashi the most and vividly remember a scene where a 6 year old girl hammers a kitchen knife into her brain because her friend is going to torture her and she doesn't want to endure it.
 

Marco Fucko

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I don't watch an anime unless I'm curious about it, same with movies or books. I do not seek it out.

I remember enjoying Higurashi the most and vividly remember a scene where a 6 year old girl hammers a kitchen knife into her brain because her friend is going to torture her and she doesn't want to endure it.
You just redeemed your taste, dear leader.
 

Kari Kamiya

"I beat her up, so I gave her a cuck-cup."
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I don't watch an anime unless I'm curious about it, same with movies or books. I do not seek it out.

I remember enjoying Higurashi the most and vividly remember a scene where a 6 year old girl hammers a kitchen knife into her brain because her friend is going to torture her and she doesn't want to endure it.
Would you smash Takano?
747281

I'd smash her face in with a baseball bat.
 

El Porko Fako

Jive Turkey
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This scene made me laugh my ass off for maybe a minute straight when I first watched Higurashi Kai. It was funny because Takano was such a mellow character up to that point in the show and it's even funnier in retrospect after you know what her motivations are.

 

Kari Kamiya

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HAUUUU OMOCHIKAERIIII

God, it's really sad how hard Geneon dropped the ball with the dub because they had a really good cast but shitty execution; such a fucking shame because what I'd give to hear Karen Strassman's performance in Kai, I thought she was a good voice for Takano. It needs a redub badly, and I'm pissed Sentai hasn't offered to do it yet.
 

Ali della Fenice

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I figure this might also be a good place to ask:
A friend of mine is subbing tigermask from 1969 and Im helping him a bit with the translation, the italian dubbed version.
If someone is interested and wants to watch the episodes that have been done, you can pm me and I'll send you the links.
 

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