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I mean, Shion wasn't introduced until the second arc. Makes sense she wouldn't be here in a similar Onikakushi-hen world. Honestly shocked they didn't throw her into the background of Angel Mort in episode three as a wink to the audience, they're just being so odd with this anime.

I want this to be good, I really do. I want to believe in this, but these strange decisions just aren't working due to how fucked the pacing is. It baffles me.

My main problem is that this is NOT a remake. Not at all. It is basically positioning itself as a SEQUEL. But except, it is behaving EXACTLY like a remake. You can't have BOTH. If you're saying that Rika already knows everything, why isn't Shion here?. At least the FF7 remake was categorically different. Not to mention it was attempting something completely separate. I can appreciate it. However, this is 99% identical excepting for maybe a minute and a half, which completely fucking spoils the entire plot of the original as well as its point.

What is really the point of going back and doing a 100% run of the first arc when its a time loop and Rika already achieved the best result possible? Like, there is no point in making this a sequel if you're going to follow the original most of the time. It isn't for new viewers, because you've completely spoiled the build up and pacing. For old viewers, we're waiting for you to get to the point. So it only serves to confuse new viewers and kill the tension for people who have already seen it by being a major retread of an arc that never actually happens in reality because of the time loop causality

I just don't see the point of fucking with your audience and then being a complete retread of what your audience has already seen. It seems like a really cheap shot. I thought after the second episode it would be totally from Rika's perspective. But...it isn't. It is still from Keiichi's perspective and as oldfags know everything Keiichi is seeing is a result of the parasite causing intense psychological symptoms, so none of it is real. Not to mention if it is going to be basically a sequel with 99% of things identical, you'd need 50 episodes. I mean, you could cut out some arcs.

Basically its me just watching this show going 'get to the fucking point, I know all this shit already'. And the problem is if it turns out to be different, I won't fucking know to be tense about it. Because the show has telegraphed basically nothing to indicate this will not be any different than the first arc. And I'm not really looking forward to retarded idiots doing Western bullshit 'mystery box' tricks worse than JJ Abrams or M. Night.

Yeah, its a time travel story. That does not justify tricking people into thinking its a remake when its actually a sequel and keeping a vast majority of the story identical. It is a shit marketing gimmick. I mean, unless they are going to somehow 100% ALL arcs of the original and cram them into one show where nobody dies or it is just deja vu'ed. Honestly, there's nothing here for old viewers as the 'remake' has already killed all tension and is honestly inferior to the original and the 'sequel' gives me absolutely nothing new.

Like it really is infuriating. For people who know what is going on, its basically trudging through episodes until we reach a point where something will be different and waiting for it.

It is odd, because DEEN nailed the pacing and Ryukishi is usually on point with it as well. I also thought the OP seeming to tease bits from Umineko was odd as well. There's only really a handful of connections, unless we're going to turn this into a witch's game.

The problem is Deen tried to do 'Its just a reamke guys' to 'HAHA JK ITS A SEQUEL' and then basically drained all tension out of the show completely by doing that. Because now all the old watchers know almost EXACTLY what is going on. And instead of Rika using all of her friends to overcome this challenge, believing in hope and fighting fate, she is now looking to do a 100% run all by her lonesome because she is an elite gamer. Its really fucking trash IMO.

I mean, we don't even get Rika's perspective! Its still all from Keiichi's view. Why did they even MAKE a sequel then? Because you've already wasted 3 episodes by being identical. So what, it isn't going to be different until episode 4 or 5? After you've wasted 1/5 of the season? What's the point? Or are you going to cram all the arcs in and basically just be a 'summary' or Higurashi with some new stuff to keep the old people interested?

I'm honestly not seeing the point of why this was made. It was a GIGANTIC mistake to spoil everything in the second episode. Like that is such a huge fuck-up.

This remake reads like something I'd find in fanficiton.net in 2011 while the visuals are modern monogatari but without the direction that makes it work

The problem is that it isn't really a remake, because it completely spoils the entire plot of Higurashi in the second episode. Rika basically says 'Yo, what happened, did I die? Nm, I been through this shit 100 years, I already know this shit, lets roll' So it isn't a remake. Not technically anyway. But it is.

I honestly don't know what to think with new Higurashi. Still need to watch ep. 3 for myself. I want this to be good or for there to be an actual swerve. They should have waited until further along to reveal the whole teen Rika/post Kai thing, even if their driving philosophy was tHe FaNs AlReAdY KnOw. Also, is Onidamashi-hen completely new or is it based on anything?

There's actually no swerve right now. It is basically still 99% identical, while basically mashing up episodes 3 and 4 from the original but still being behind where the original was at this point. Like there is very, very very little that is new. The only new thing is that nobody dies on the cotton drifting festival second night. They both just go missing. Also they don't find the double's body. Which is a very odd detail, which I think they honestly just forgot about. Apparently it is completely new. Which I don't really buy.

This project reeks of it being a remake but they wanted to do a 'twist' since it is a time travel story. I mean, its fucking meta in the sense if Rika is playing the VN, she's already played through it once and knows the entire plot and is now doing a solo run for the super duper good ending. Which...makes no fucking sense because nobody actually fucking dies and that good end was already achieved.

Which is why I'm questioning this entire project's existence. When they Cry was actually a complete story. It was done. Finito. Over. Why are we treading old ground? If you wanted to explore an older Rika, why aren't we doing that? Why are we treading water with nearly the identical plot of something that's 10+ years old? I just do not get their logic here. The original wasn't so fucking awful animation or drawing wise it needed this.

I hate creators that think we're stupid. Like if they keep the original endings to arcs, what the fuck is the point of the scene in the second episode? To sit through another 50 episodes which are 99% the same and we have to 'guess' the 1% difference? Because with that those endings there are no deaths. But if you keep those endings, there's no point to this being a sequel. Checkmate. They've played themselves.

And the thing is, we have SO MUCH to go and the series isn't picking up the pace, so it is hard to even say the new stuff will happen in the second cour. We might basically be stuck where we get a total of 20 minutes of new content and a 90% retread. And that's a really shitty thing to do. Because if you do that, just do a straight fucking remake. Don't trick people into thinking its a sequel and make us watch the same shit for essentially nothing new.
 

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And instead of Rika using all of her friends to overcome this challenge, believing in hope and fighting fate, she is now looking to do a 100% run all by her lonesome because she is an elite gamer. Its really fucking trash IMO.
This actually happens in Matsuri, Miotsukushi-hen, although Keiichi still at least is with her to the end (since he's the key to everything, him not being in Hinamizawa makes it a dead end world). Thing is, the previous arcs (Watanagashi-hen, Tatarigoroshi-hen, and Tsumihoroboshi-hen) have to be going on at about the same time, too. Doesn't look like that's what's going on here. I don't think we're going to find out if we're getting that arc animated until the preview states it.

We do already have an arc that shows us what happens when Keiichi doesn't get himself involved with the mystery of Hinamizawa: Taraimawashi-hen (which also starts off like a retelling of Onikakushi-hen), but we're not getting that, either. Which would've responded to your complaint about Shion 'cause she would've been involved. But now this is the interesting part because one of the ways to access Taraimawashi-hen in Matsuri is to have Keiichi talk to Shion after the festival instead of Tomitake and Takano.

Well... what if he chooses to talk to no one after the festival?

He's not ignoring the mystery, however, so unless Rena is going to do something different when she next approaches Keiichi, this is gonna be a frustrating time.

It was a GIGANTIC mistake to spoil everything in the second episode. Like that is such a huge fuck-up.
It really was shitty of them to trick everyone into believing it was going to be a remake. I sincerely hope the newcomers have backed away to go experience the story proper before continuing, but there's a lot of mouth-breathers on MAL sucking its dick and saying it's getting scary. Which it would be if the pacing was better handled and the cinematography wasn't so shoddy.

Honestly don't know what we should've expected from the director behind Moetan. Anyway, here's Ryukishi07's own words about the project. You decide what he means by them making Gou with a "wide audience in mind".
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(Oh lol the thread where the retard OP claimed it was a rebuild got locked.)
 

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It really was shitty of them to trick everyone into believing it was going to be a remake. I sincerely hope the newcomers have backed away to go experience the story proper before continuing,
The one saving grace was that I was recommending this to 2 high school friends. I watched the original anime in HS, they didn't. I got spoiled re: the SUPAR EPIC TWEEST before I downloaded ep 2 and fortunately one hadn't watched anything and the other had only watched ep 1. This is really frustrating. If they don't do something interesting by ep. 5 I'm giving up.

Also, thoughts on people speculating on Umineko? They're saying that if you look at the opening, the person at 0:46 is Featherine Augustus Aurora, not Hanyuu. Also 1:17 supposedly shows Rokkenjima manor.

 

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Should I just read all Higurashi mangas? I have no shit towards what's happening, or is about to happen, but I have a feeling I'll like the mangas more. I also kinda don't wanna bother with going through all of the VN & other versions (I'll read about it, or watch some lore video on it).
 

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Should I just read all Higurashi mangas? I have no shit towards what's happening, or is about to happen, but I have a feeling I'll like the mangas more. I also kinda don't wanna bother with going through all of the VN & other versions (I'll read about it, or watch some lore video on it).
You see, Onikakushi in it's original context is something to be experienced. Read that, it's free on steam. Then use your own judgement.
 

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I don't have a computer tho, even though I own it on Steam & GoG. Also, I thought the mangas adapted all arcs, including a special Manga based arc.
I think you can read Higurashi on a phone with ONScripter but I don't know the details. Can't tell you much about the manga since I haven't read it myself
 

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What would Higurashi 2020 have to do in order to be redeemed in your guys' eyes? Personally, believe they blew their load too early with Episode 2 but I'll hold any further judgement until Onikakushi-hen is finished.
 

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What would Higurashi 2020 have to do in order to be redeemed in your guys' eyes? Personally, believe they blew their load too early with Episode 2 but I'll hold any further judgement until Onikakushi-hen is finished.
Keep in mind, for starters, that this is NOT Onikakushi-hen. The "next time" trailer at the end of ep. 2 revealed it's a completely new arc. I'd really wish they hadn't gone with "oh the fans already know" ethos and done a slow burn like the original. It's really just the pacing and that clunky reveal with older Rika and Hanyuu.
 

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His & Her Circumstances, or Kare Kano to some, is a great show. I never knew the guy who did art direction for Evangelion wrote the first 18 episodes. It really shows his unique talent.
 

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So I started watching Taisou Zamurai, the last show on my watchlist for this season, cause it looked to be combining two of my favourite anime genres: Sports and hot single dad. That does seem to be the case but the whole execution of this premise is wackier than I expected. I'm totally on board with it, though. This looks like it's going to be funny and wholesome.
 

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The one saving grace was that I was recommending this to 2 high school friends. I watched the original anime in HS, they didn't. I got spoiled re: the SUPAR EPIC TWEEST before I downloaded ep 2 and fortunately one hadn't watched anything and the other had only watched ep 1. This is really frustrating. If they don't do something interesting by ep. 5 I'm giving up.
That hurts my heart. :(

Should I just read all Higurashi mangas? I have no shit towards what's happening, or is about to happen, but I have a feeling I'll like the mangas more. I also kinda don't wanna bother with going through all of the VN & other versions (I'll read about it, or watch some lore video on it).
Sure, you can read the manga if it's more available to you. I do highly recommend it, it adapts the sound novels pretty well while cutting the fat. You'll miss out on the sound effects, though, but the art's great. Tatarigoroshi-hen has the most beautiful artwork of the series, too, like insanity and murder has never looked so pretty.

What would Higurashi 2020 have to do in order to be redeemed in your guys' eyes? Personally, believe they blew their load too early with Episode 2 but I'll hold any further judgement until Onikakushi-hen is finished.
For one thing, they should've composed their own original music instead of reusing the 2006 anime's soundtrack. Like holy shit, are you kidding me with that? I don't want to be reminded of the original if I can help it, but Passione is not letting me. That better be part of the plan of the "Demon Deceiving" unless they're going to keep doing this the entire show which will be extremely frustrating and cheap of them to do.

I would really like it if they adapt the manga/PS2-only arcs, or even adapt Onisarashi-hen since that's a pretty good one despite it taking place outside of Hinamizawa. I don't mind if they make anime-originals if they can find a way to make them work, but the way they approached the first episode here was super shitty.

They also need to get better at their cinematography. I know people harp on DEEN for the animation and artwork, but they really and truly made up for it with some stellar camerawork, camera shakes and all. They only kept stuff at eye-level during the "this is normal" moments (but not always), but when things got sinister, they went all Dutch angles, devil's eyeview, bird's eyeview. extreme close-ups on the face with a fish-eye lens when their sanity slips, even some unconventional framing compositions like peering through Keiichi's lamp to look down at him at his desk, and using puddle reflections.
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Below is also an actually scary shot in hindsight, too. I didn't expect Passione to copy this idea in all honesty, but I wish they kept the door in frame more to make up for it so the audience could guess when it was Rena may have shown up.
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Oh, while I was looking back at episode three to confirm the lack of a doorway in frame (yup), I noticed Keiichi has himself a map of the places in Hinamizawa he recognizes (Rena's house is closest to his). It's been rare, but little background details like this would be super nice since it shows how much of an outsider he really is, but that he's learning.
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If this map doesn't get reworked into some kind of emergency route for him later, that'll be just as expected since thinking ahead may not be this director's strongest point.

I went in wanting to be surprised, but there's nothing "good" about a "Surprise, it's a sequel all along! *le Beatrice troll face*" two episodes in when we have actual newcomers watching this series just because it's "new". This isn't anything like the Fruits Basket anime like we were led to believe, but even if it had been a remake all this time, the choices they made in the first episode were still so fucking baffling that it could've potentially screwed with the narrative anyway. It's just bad faith and is threatening to dash any hopes for a good Umineko adaptation in the future.
 

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Also, thoughts on people speculating on Umineko? They're saying that if you look at the opening, the person at 0:46 is Featherine Augustus Aurora, not Hanyuu. Also 1:17 supposedly shows Rokkenjima manor.


I really hope not, Umineko is mostly it's own thing and the only real connection is Bernkastel. Unless Ryukishi's going to make the whole thing a Witch's Game. That feels very unsatisfying to me. Umineko is complicated enough, and the only reason I can see Ryukishi going back to it is to reinforce the identity of the culprit. That was the entire point of the manga and all the post VN material he wrote. Easily my least favorite part of Umineko.
 

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I really hope not, Umineko is mostly it's own thing and the only real connection is Bernkastel. Unless Ryukishi's going to make the whole thing a Witch's Game. That feels very unsatisfying to me. Umineko is complicated enough, and the only reason I can see Ryukishi going back to it is to reinforce the identity of the culprit. That was the entire point of the manga and all the post VN material he wrote. Easily my least favorite part of Umineko.
All i can say is Higurashi Gou is a very appropriate title because where the fuck is this thing going?
 

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