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TowinKarz

Thoroughly Unimpressed
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Irony.... they all get sick from congregating in public, un-vaccinated, an anthropomorphic chink in the armor of herd immunity that stood up and said "SHOOT HERE".
 
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Commander X

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As Passover approaches, Jewish leaders warn that measles outbreak feeds anti-Semitism

As measles cases in New York climb, leaders within the Hasidic and Orthodox Jewish community, where most cases in the metropolitan area have been concentrated, fear something else is also spreading — anti-Semitism.
Yes, people asking that children be vaccinated for their safety, from there it's just a hop and a skip to another Kristallnacht .

Rabbi Dr. Aaron Glatt, an infectious diseases specialist and respected Jewish scholar, wrote about the dual concerns of measles and backlash recently for the Rabbinical Alliance of America. "Why are precious children unnecessarily exposed to lethal illnesses?" he wrote. "How could we cause 'Orthodox Jews Cause Disease' to be the lead story on major print and other media? Why are health departments and governments ... talking about fining Jews and closing Yeshivas?"
Rabbi Ari Zahtz, the assistant rabbi at Congregation Bnai Yeshurun in Teaneck and a Talmud professor at the rabbinical seminary of Yeshiva University in Manhattan, said no Jewish text supports vaccine avoidance.
“The Torah commands us to protect and preserve our health," he said. "Vaccination is unquestionably a halachic (Jewish law) obligation to protect the health of our children and ourselves and a responsibility we have towards others. There is no room for equivocation on this religious and moral obligation.”
 

Lissamine Green

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Had the vaccine, rolled the lucky die of being one of the 7% still getting it after the first shot. It was fucking itchy, and had red fabric draped over all the lights in my room, but shit, I was up and about after a week. Measels ain't got nothing on mono or really bad flu.
The version you get after a shot is very, very weak compared to the real thing though. The full version is at least equal to a bad flu, if not worse.
 
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ProgKing of the North

^^^^FUCKTARD^^^^
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On one hand they’re exceptional, on the other I don’t exactly think them being too busy reading the Torah to bomb Palestinian children is a bad thing.

Force them to vaccinate though, for fuck’s sake
 

streetsweeper

cleaning up the mean streets
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The version you get after a shot is very, very weak compared to the real thing though. The full version is at least equal to a bad flu, if not worse.
Since it's a one and done disease I don't exactly have a good frame of reference, but it was on the shittier side of the shitty flu spectrum. I've had worse, but it's certainly not pleasant. It ain't no ebola or plague though. :V
 

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@Unog I agree I couldn't care less about children in Africa getting vaccinated, I don't even really care about what happens to the kids of anti-vaxxers. What I do care about is if one of my friends or family has a baby and it dies of a preventable illness caused by a retàrd who didn't vaccinate their kids.

Also we take kids away for not feeding or clothing them, or anything that can cause them harm, How is this different? I get not wanting to give the government more control over us, but sometimes a new law is needed for public safety.

Finally @EasyPeasy is kind of an idiot, and should feel bad.
 

Unog

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@Unog I agree I couldn't care less about children in Africa getting vaccinated, I don't even really care about what happens to the kids of anti-vaxxers. What I do care about is if one of my friends or family has a baby and it dies of a preventable illness caused by a retàrd who didn't vaccinate their kids.

Also we take kids away for not feeding or clothing them, or anything that can cause them harm, How is this different? I get not wanting to give the government more control over us, but sometimes a new law is needed for public safety.
I'm not getting dragged back into this argument. I've said all I'm going to say on the topic, but to add to all of my previous posts I think if you want to allow the government the control over your own bodily autonomy for a little bit of safety because you yourself can't be asked to stay up on your shots you're a fucking idiot and deserve whatever comes after that gets legislated into reality.
 
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New York Ends Religious Exemptions For Required Vaccines
https://www.npr.org/2019/06/13/732501865/new-york-advances-bill-ending-religious-exemptions-for-vaccines-amid-health-cris (http://archive.fo/qdwmN)
June 13, 2019 5:26 PM ET
Updated at 8:25 p.m. ET

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo signed a billThursday ending vaccination exemptions based on religious beliefs, the latest attempt to address the growing measles outbreak, the worst the U.S. has experienced in decades.

Cuomo said plugging the loophole should help contain the spike in measles cases in New York, the state the hardest hit by the uptick in the contagious virus due to low vaccination rates in ultra-Orthodox communities.

"The science is crystal clear: Vaccines are safe, effective and the best way to keep our children safe," Cuomo said after signing the bill. "While I understand and respect freedom of religion, our first job is to protect the public health and by signing this measure into law, we will help prevent further transmissions and stop this outbreak right in its tracks."

The Democratic-controlled Legislature approved the measure, which also eliminates other nonmedical exemptions for schoolchildren across the state.

"We are facing an unprecedented public health crisis," said Sen. Brad Hoylman, the legislation's sponsor. "The atrocious peddlers of junk science and fraudulent medicine who we know as anti-vaxxers have spent years sowing unwarranted doubt and fear, but it is time for legislators to confront them head-on."


The exemption, which exists in some form in most states, allows parents of schoolchildren to cite their religious beliefs in opting their kids out of required vaccines. Supporters of keeping the religious exemptions say religious freedom should not be overpowered by state laws.

After the final vote tally was announced in the assembly, howling protesters, including the parents of unvaccinated children, filled the chamber, chanting "shame on you," until lawmakers moved to recess.

Assembly member Patricia Fahy echoed Cuomo's stance before casting a vote in support of the measure. "What we do in our own personal lives is one thing with our own families, but when we put the rest of the public at risk, it takes on another meaning, and it's another matter," Fahy said.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported last week that the number of new measles cases this year has exceeded 1,000, the highest count in 27 years.

Most of those new measles cases have been concentrated in ultra-Orthodox areas of New York, including Rockland County and parts of Brooklyn, adding urgency to the statewide debate around religious exemptions to vaccines.

The New York Assembly narrowly passed the bill by a 77-53 vote. It needed 76 votes for passage. Lawmakers in the state Senate advanced the measure by a tally of 36-26.

A small number of other states including California, Mississippi and Arizona have already passed laws banning vaccine exemptions on religious grounds.

In New York, about 96% of students have been immunized against measles, mumps and rubella, yet "a measles outbreak continues to affect communities in several parts of the state where the rate is lower," according to state health officials.

In the 2017-2018 school year, 26,217 students in New York, including those in public and private schools and children in day care and prekindergarten, had religious exemptions from vaccinations, officials said.

"Although the state can claim high immunization rates overall, preventable diseases like measles remain a public health threat when administrative loopholes allow children to go unvaccinated, carrying the potential to harm communities — and especially our most vulnerable residents," said Dr. Howard Zucker, the commissioner of the state Department of Health.

New York state Sen. John Liu, who represents Queens, said while he thinks removing the religious exemption is the right move, he has heard from constituents who hold "deep and sincere" religious beliefs who would be "absolutely outraged that anyone would suggest that they don't care about the health of their children." Liu suggested that the tenor of the debate on both sides could be more civil.

"We can respectfully disagree," Liu said.

The law eliminating religious exemptions takes effect immediately.

Unvaccinated students will have up to 30 days to show school officials they have received their first dose of each required immunization.

In April, New York City health officials declared a public health emergency because of the measles outbreak. Parents of unvaccinated children could be fined $1,000 for not complying with the order.
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