Anti-semitism and actual criticism -

[Chiang Kai-shek]

Since recent news events have brought to attention israel’s influence in congress and criticism of it, i have begun wondering something. What is the line between legitimate criticism of Israel and unironic anti-semitism? What in your opinion makes a statement about (((our greatest ally))) either anti-Semitic or a valid criticism? I’m not saying all criticism of Israel is anti-semitism, I’m asking what you think the line between the two is?

 

[oldTireWater]

From AIPAC's point of view, all criticism is a threat and must be branded anti-semitic. AIPAC pulls too many strings for anyone to meet their accusations with reasoned argument.

 

[JULAY]

Israel is an Apartheid state and AIPAC have an outsized influence on the US legislature and foreign policy = legitimate criticism.

Zionist Kikes perpetrated 9/11 and the Holocaust never happened = anti-semitism.

So somewhere between those two extremes.

 

[NOT Sword Fighter Super]

When you are legally not allowed to criticize Israel as a teacher, you know there's a problem.

 

[SpicyRamen]

Yeah. About those jews.

 

[spurger king]

either anti-Semitic or a valid criticism?

A distinction without a difference.

 

[Glad I couldn't help]

The usual line is that criticism of Israel, its occupation of Palestinian territories and its lobbying in Washington and other Western capitals is fine while talking about "Anglo-Zionist" conspiracies and such is anti-Jewish. Having said that, I suspect the sublity is lost on many people, particularly lower-class Arabs and Muslims. Of course, in the minds of AIPAC-types, the continued existence and prosperity of Israel is essential to the Jewish people (like what many leftist and anti-Zionist religious Jews might think), which is why they fight so vigiously against the BDS campaign.

 

[JektheDumbass]

Israel is an illegitimate religious totalitarian dictatorship populated almost entirely by European and Russian Immigrants. Actual brown semitic jews got their houses bulldozed over as if they were muslim for not being jewey enough. That being said, if America withdraws support Israel would fall in a few weeks at most, but not before Israel nukes all of its enemies (and from my understand its allies too, if the Chosen People are in danger they intend on taking out the rest of the world with them). I don't like Israel, but it's not like we have a choice BUT to support them.

EDIT: Just to make it clear, I like muslims even less, at least Jews aren't screaming barbarian rapists.

 

[Y2K Baby]

Zionist Kikes perpetrated 9/11 and the Holocaust never happened = anti-semitism.

NOT necessarily.

 

[verissimus]

Does it really matter asking what criticism of Israel is legitimate when you know the douchebag sycophants like Ben Shapiro won't care?

 

[queerape]

Israel is a nation state, and it is subject to criticism like any other nation state. If it's possible to criticize America without hating Christians, or Saudi Arabia without being Islamophobic, surely it's possible to crititize Israel without being anti semetic.

 

[JULAY]

Does it really matter asking what criticism of Israel is legitimate when you know the douchebag sycophants like Ben Shapiro won't care?

OK, anti-semitism aside, Ben Shapiro IS a Zionist Kike who would better serve humanity by being made into lampshades and numerous bars of soap.

 

[Smug Chuckler]

Neocons made me hate Israel.

 

[Lemmingwise]

the Holocaust never happened = anti-semitism.

The official line in various European countries is that "diminishment or downplaying of the holocaust" is a way to do holocaust denial as well.

Which is funny, because it means that when the rememberance stone at auschwitz was changed from 4 million deaths to 1.5 million deaths, that was an act of holocaust denial by the auschwitz holocaust museum.

Had someone said the same a year before in a bar, they could be arrested for it in at least a dozen european countries.

Of course just pointing out truths such as these is anti-semitic, because in practise antisemitism isn't defined as baseless prejudice against jews, in practise antisemitism is defined as any word or action that hinders jewish interests.

Bringing the holocaust more reasonably in line with other genocides based on numbers in accordance with evidence, hinders jewish interests and therefor it is anti-semitic.

 

[Terrorist]

tfw you aren't an ethnostate and the people calling you an ethnostate are the real ethnostate

In the words of the great Elie Wiesel, "Are Palestinians even human? Seriously though, aren't they supposed to be like mole people or some shit?"

 

[Cool kitties club]

If your claiming that all Jewish people have set up society to collapse because they are all evil and degenerate then that is anti antisemitism. Criticizing a nation, individual, or specific group of jews for a precise and substantiated wrong doing is criticism.

 

[theo102]

To answer your question you should first make a distinction between the historical nation of Israel and the Zionist state of the same name. Unwrapping anti-semitism involves taking a look at the core meaning of "semite".

In the Hebrew Torah, Shem is the son of Noah. Shem means "name". Semites are descendants of Shem. In Judaism the deity of Abraham is often referred to as haShem, meaning "the name". Judaism itself get's its name from Judah son of Jacob. Jacob is also called Israel. Judah was the fourth son of Leah, who was Jacob's first wife. Leah gave Judah his name from the saying "praise YHWH". HaShem is a reference to the name of YHWH. Judah's name in Hebrew is Yehudah (YHWDH).

Within this context semites are people of YHWH, i.e. people of the name, and anti-semitism can be associated with the Judenhass of the Third Reich. However there's a significant difference between the European Jews of the 1930s and the descendants of Judah relating to the covenant of circumcision and the Torah of YHWH.

Political Zionism originated with Theordor Herzl, and included ambition for territory encompassing the land of the Abrahamic covenant of Genesis 15. Genesis 17 describes the land of Jacob/Israel as the land of Canaan, i.e. the land of the conquest which resulted from the curse of Canaan. The land of Canaan was later known as Palestine.

 

[Slap47]

The Jewish victim complex is very enraging because you can point out a fact and they'll reach into history to vilify you while acting as though your claim isn't real.


Jewish Supremacy -> Its not real goyim, thats what Hitler believed we believed so you must be Hitler.

Israel harvesting organs from dead children -> BLOOD LIBEL GOYIM

Israel literally gassing people with white phosphorous -> Why did you say gas? Is that a holocaust jab?

Israeli secret services kidnapping foreign nationals to raise money -> More blood libel? Oy vey...

Israel committing actual false flags -> Stop perpetuating the conniving Jew stereotype.

Israeli doing preemptive strikes like Hitler did -> Don't talk about that...

 

[ProgKing of the North]

The official line in various European countries is that "diminishment or downplaying of the holocaust" is a way to do holocaust denial as well.

Which is funny, because it means that when the rememberance stone at auschwitz was changed from 4 million deaths to 1.5 million deaths, that was an act of holocaust denial by the auschwitz holocaust museum.

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Had someone said the same a year before in a bar, they could be arrested for it in at least a dozen european countries.

Of course just pointing out truths such as these is anti-semitic, because in practise antisemitism isn't defined as baseless prejudice against jews, in practise antisemitism is defined as any word or action that hinders jewish interests.

Bringing the holocaust more reasonably in line with other genocides based on numbers in accordance with evidence, hinders jewish interests and therefor it is anti-semitic.

I mean, saying "only 1.5 million people were systematically murdered at this location because of their race/religion" is a hell of a way to "downplay" things

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

calling israel "occupied palestine" and demanding the jews there to submit to their arab neighbors (who would gladly carry out a literal second holocaust if given the means to do so) is pretty clear anti semitism.

Can we demand that the Jews give the Palestinians the same level of democratic rights that the Boers were forced to give the Africans in South Africa?

Israel literally gassing people with white phosphorous -> Why did you say gas? Is that a holocaust jab?

You can't gas people with white phosphorous.

Spoiler

It's an incendiary.