Apple removes Fortnite from App Store over dispute of 30% commission -

Token Weeaboo

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Epic jumping the gun on winning this as early as a page 9!
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Look at them party. Look. At. Them.
 

Marissa Moira

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Is fortnite really as popular these days? It seems to have died off abit
The new multiplayer game that's been picking up steam is Fall Guys which is an obstacle course game with 200 players for each match and you have have to whittle down the number of contestants until only 1 remains via having them die on the obstacle course and succumbing to environmental traps.


The game has all the elements for a rage inducing party game, because not only can you easily fuck over other people, everything controls like Gang Beasts so the game can fuck you over with physics glitches.
 

LegoTugboat

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3.1.1 In-App Purchase:
- If you want to unlock features or functionality within your app, (by way of example: subscriptions, in-game currencies, game levels, access to premium content, or unlocking a full version), you must use in-app purchase. Apps may not use their own mechanisms to unlock content or functionality, such as license keys, augmented reality markers, QR codes, etc. Apps and their metadata may not include buttons, external links, or other calls to action that direct customers to purchasing mechanisms other than in-app purchase.
Epic Games made the direct payment option available in the in the United States, Canada, Australia, France, Germany, Spain, the United Kingdom, and other countries, and said that because apps that offer real-life goods and services like Uber and StubHub are not required to use Apple's in-app purchase mechanism, Fortnite should be entitled to the same treatment. Epic Games has also called Apple and Google's 30 percent commission on in-app purchases "exorbitant."
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In addition, while this thread was hiding, Samsung also removed Fortnite from the Galaxy Store. No lawsuit against them yet, though.
 

Token Weeaboo

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3.1.1 In-App Purchase:
- If you want to unlock features or functionality within your app, (by way of example: subscriptions, in-game currencies, game levels, access to premium content, or unlocking a full version), you must use in-app purchase. Apps may not use their own mechanisms to unlock content or functionality, such as license keys, augmented reality markers, QR codes, etc. Apps and their metadata may not include buttons, external links, or other calls to action that direct customers to purchasing mechanisms other than in-app purchase.
Epic Games made the direct payment option available in the in the United States, Canada, Australia, France, Germany, Spain, the United Kingdom, and other countries, and said that because apps that offer real-life goods and services like Uber and StubHub are not required to use Apple's in-app purchase mechanism, Fortnite should be entitled to the same treatment. Epic Games has also called Apple and Google's 30 percent commission on in-app purchases "exorbitant."
There's two more things in the TOS that may be used as the cudgel as well;

Section 4.2.7
4.2.7 Remote Desktop Clients: If your remote desktop app acts as a mirror of specific software or services rather than a generic mirror of the host device, it must comply with the following:
  • (a) The app must only connect to a user-owned host device that is a personal computer or dedicated game console owned by the user, and both the host device and client must be connected on a local and LAN-based network.
  • (b) Any software or services appearing in the client are fully executed on the host device, rendered on the screen of the host device, and may not use APIs or platform features beyond what is required to stream the Remote Desktop.
  • (c) All account creation and management must be initiated from the host device.
  • (d) The UI appearing on the client does not resemble an iOS or App Store view, does not provide a store-like interface, or include the ability to browse, select, or purchase software not already owned or licensed by the user. For the sake of clarity, transactions taking place within mirrored software do not need to use in-app purchase, provided the transactions are processed on the host device.
  • (e) Thin clients for cloud-based apps are not appropriate for the App Store.
Or
Section 4.7
4.7 HTML5 Games, Bots, etc.
Apps may contain or run code that is not embedded in the binary (e.g. HTML5-based games, bots, etc.), as long as code distribution isn’t the main purpose of the app, the code is not offered in a store or store-like interface, and provided that the software (1) is free or purchased using in-app purchase; (2) only uses capabilities available in a standard WebKit view (e.g. it must open and run natively in Safari without modifications or additional software); your app must use WebKit and JavaScript Core to run third-party software and should not attempt to extend or expose native platform APIs to third-party software; (3) is offered by developers that have joined the Apple Developer Program and signed the Apple Developer Program License Agreement; (4) does not provide access to real money gaming, lotteries, or charitable donations; (5) adheres to the terms of these App Review Guidelines (e.g. does not include objectionable content); and (6) does not offer digital goods or services for sale. Upon request, you must provide an index of software and metadata available in your app. It must include Apple Developer Program Team IDs for the providers of the software along with a URL which App Review can use to confirm that the software complies with the requirements above.

Since the game is kind of online I can see 4.2.7 getting used, though not as likely as 4.7 with it's note of "IF IT LOOKS LIKE A STORE IT'S NOT ALLOWED".
God apple has some stinginess about stuff looking like stores.

Pages 23-27 talk about these very sections being a violation of healthy competition.
 

ZMOT

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Look at them party. Look. At. Them.

I mean...

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Since the game is kind of online I can see 4.2.7 getting used, though not as likely as 4.7 with it's note of "IF IT LOOKS LIKE A STORE IT'S NOT ALLOWED".
God apple has some stinginess about stuff looking like stores.

almost everyone does, including valve. no external launcher has store functionality bypassing their system. it's almost like this is the fucking point of a walled garden. (EDIT: not meant as an attack, just pointing out those regulations exist for a reason. someone should ask timmy if he can put his own storefront on the epic store).

Didnt know the Epic lawyers also moderated /v/ like the faggot of abib

by now I wouldn't be surprised, timmy spent quite some time and money on that board

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Nano Shinonome

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Epic did nothing wrong! For all the talk about wanting someone to finally stick it to Apple, Google and Valve Epic is the only one that is out there kicking dicks and people are giving them shit for it.

I think it's ironic for them to reference 1984 with totalitarianism while having almost half of their company owned by china.

Apple definitely deserved to get called out for strict regulations for their software, but epic isn't the one to do it. Not to mention they sign a contract with Apple directly when they use the app store that requires a 30/70 cut between both parties for any micro transactions used. They broke the terms of service, they get booted out of the app store. Them signing that contract immediately will make the case void. They will get laughed out of court. And now there's hundreds of thousands of brainlet kids running around screaming "save fortnite!!!" when in reality the removal of the app from the app store was justified. This was a PR stunt. This was not an attempt to stick it to apple. They had planned this out and had a promotional video and lawsuit ready to be filed. They want to seem like the good guys, yet in the end it's all about "who makes the most money". I sure love providing epic with more money to backhandedly give to their shareholder, tencent to fund the CCP.

I think a 30/70 cut is quite high however, regardless of discussion.
 

Smaug's Smokey Hole

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I think it's ironic for them to reference 1984 with totalitarianism while having almost half of their company owned by china.

Apple definitely deserved to get called out for strict regulations for their software, but epic isn't the one to do it. Not to mention they sign a contract with Apple directly when they use the app store that requires a 30/70 cut between both parties for any micro transactions used. They broke the terms of service, they get booted out of the app store. Them signing that contract immediately will make the case void. They will get laughed out of court. And now there's hundreds of thousands of brainlet kids running around screaming "save fortnite!!!" when in reality the removal of the app from the app store was justified. This was a PR stunt. This was not an attempt to stick it to apple. They had planned this out and had a promotional video and lawsuit ready to be filed. They want to seem like the good guys, yet in the end it's all about "who makes the most money". I sure love providing epic with more money to backhandedly give to their shareholder, tencent to fund the CCP.

I think a 30/70 cut is quite high however, regardless of discussion.

Of course it's a stunt, how would anyone try to strong arm a megacorp these days if they didn't make it into a public spectacle? By being in the right? Please. They knew they were going to be kicked off, now we wait to see when they're let back on.
 

The Bovinian Derivative

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Every platform has a price, and "relatively high 30%" my ass, that 30% is the same as Valve's and noone's bitching about it. On an other note I listened to a GDC talk (cant find the timetamp but it's a good presentation in general so if you got an hour to kill go for it) that an old indie dev guy gave where he talked about how that 30% saves so much time and money from the dev's side that current day devs should thank the heavens they dont have deal with all the shit storefronts provide for almost free.
 
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