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LegoTugboat

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Let's see if I've got this right:
Basically the court ruled that Apple can't revoke Epic's access to the dev tools needed to maintain work on the Unreal engine because Epic violated no ToS regarding that and they can't just revoke access to the tools just because Epic pissed them off.

At the same time the court is basically telling Epic that they're probably pretty fucked on the Fortnite end of things as they knowingly violated ToS leading to "self inflicted wounds" that are nobody's fault but their own.

I wonder if the fact that Sweener asked Apple for a ToS exception before intentionally fucking up can work against them in court.
Well, it's a bit more interesting then that because it's not Epic Games who made and owns Unreal, but Epic Games International, which Apple had a separate contract with, but EGI shares Epic Games' assets, contact details, website, etc.

So it led to the interesting case of Apple not being able to prove Epic Games owned Unreal.

Isn't law fun?
 

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Here's something to thunk over:
What if Apple had, for whatever reason, granted Epic's request for an exception to the ToS and allowed them to use their own payment processor?
You think, maybe, that Epic would have taken it without a word to anyone and proven their "We're fighting for everyone" schtick to be a load of schmegegge?
 

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Here's something to thunk over:
What if Apple had, for whatever reason, granted Epic's request for an exception to the ToS and allowed them to use their own payment processor?
You think, maybe, that Epic would have taken it without a word to anyone and proven their "We're fighting for everyone" schtick to be a load of schmegegge?
Pretty much.
 

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It looks like Epic Big Brained themselves into paying needless and excessive legal fees and hurt future relations with large companies.
Who would want to partner with a shit company like this that deliberately signs a contract with you not for the purpose of actually doing business, but just literally to fuck you over while launching a PR campaign against you and suing you? It's hard to imagine bad faith more manifest.
 

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Who would want to partner with a shit company like this that deliberately signs a contract with you not for the purpose of actually doing business, but just literally to fuck you over while launching a PR campaign against you and suing you? It's hard to imagine bad faith more manifest.
Sweeney is a weaselly stick man with a rapidly receding hairline and no back bone cause China took it from him, this lawsuit will be so embarrassing for Epic Games, and mainly stick arms. I would love to see Apple milk Epic games for as long as possible, cause Apple wouldn't even notice any of it anyways.
 

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It looks like Apple actually made a mistake by breaching the contract with an Epic subsidiary, the actual owners of the Unreal Engine, that had a different contract than Epic.

So the decision was basically split around the middle. Call this judge King Solomon.
 

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It looks like Apple actually made a mistake by breaching the contract with an Epic subsidiary, the actual owners of the Unreal Engine, that had a different contract than Epic.

So the decision was basically split around the middle. Call this judge King Solomon.
They "won" on a non related issue, and its a temporary injunction, Epics fucked in this lawsuit of their own making anyways.
 
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It looks like Apple actually made a mistake by breaching the contract with an Epic subsidiary, the actual owners of the Unreal Engine, that had a different contract than Epic.

So the decision was basically split around the middle. Call this judge King Solomon.
Yeah, except this was because it was such a pain in the ass to find out who actually owned the rights to the engine. Apple literally does not give a shit about this since that has nothing to do with them breaching the ToS.
 

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Apple flipped the switch and suspended Epic Game's App Store account.

We are disappointed that we have had to terminate the Epic Games account on the App Store. We have worked with the team at Epic Games for many years on their launches and releases,” Apple said. “The court recommended that Epic comply with the App Store guidelines while their case moves forward, guidelines they’ve followed for the past decade until they created this situation. Epic has refused. Instead they repeatedly submit Fortnite updates designed to violate the guidelines of the App Store. This is not fair to all other developers on the App Store and is putting customers in the middle of their fight. We hope that we can work together again in the future, but unfortunately that is not possible today.”

An Epic Games spokesperson pointed CNBC to a blog post with earlier comments, including: “Apple is asking that Epic revert Fortnite to exclusively use Apple payments. Their proposal is an invitation for Epic to collude with Apple to maintain their monopoly over in-app payments on iOS, suppressing free market competition and inflating prices. As a matter of principle, we won’t participate in this scheme.”

Emphasis mine. Apple suspends the account for apparently constantly resubmitting Fortnite builds that contain a way to bypass Apple's Payment method, meanwhile Epic is on a Holy Crusade. Other Epic accounts seem thus far unaffected, and Apple's customer support is being annoyed by Fortnite players directed there by Epic.

 

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Fuck, I've had enough. Why'd it take this bunch of sooks so long to fucking complain.

Why couldn't Epic make an appointment with a bigshot at Apple and explain their concerns and what Epic could offer in return?
Why can't Sweeney shut the hell up about #ReeFortnite since it's a ongoing case before the courts?

I'm not saying Apple's innocent here, but holy shit, the guy at Epic who thought of this idiotic stunt should be dragged outside and set on fire for a few hours.

We'll either see another court case very soon, or Apple'll just buy Unreal Engine and go 'Right, shut the hell up, we have your balls now.'
 

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In the last 6 months or so the tone most players have towards Fortnite has taken a turn for the worse. Professional players have quit in droves, namely the bigger and more accessible names like Tfue & Ninja, bringing their fans with them. There's now a "Rise and Fall" of Fortnite video on YT that goes over it.

Epic was clearly getting a bit freaked out that their cash cow was starting to dry up and sniping a few more percentage points off the microtransactions could make up for the loss. Epic and the EGS in particular were launched off Fortnite's success, and at one point Epic was paying indie developers upfront to make their games exclusive, like "Your game will probably make this much, so we'll just give you that money now." Sure it's a power move, but I'm wondering now if that paid off.

No doubt Epic is a big player still, but I wonder about the success of the EGS overall if they'd no longer be able to throw around big cash incentives to bring developers over. AFAIK the PC version of Fortnite is still the most popular, but the playerbase only barely holding on at a time in the world where nobody has anything better to do than sit at home and play video games is very telling.
 

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Louis Rossmann weighs in:


It's mostly about Apple's wrongdoings, which is kinda his thing. He's got good points, with how iOS is such a tightly locked down platform when that's just not standard for any other computing platform. And how only iOS demands a 30% fee for buying and installing every single piece of software that costs money across the board.
 
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