Are The Irish White? - Thoughts on Subhuman Potato Niggers

[James Edwin]

MOD NOTICE: Keep your sperging about which groups can join the Totally Awesome White Nationalist Clubhouse in this thread.

If you want a really good example of how classism and the social aspect of race can play out, look at how Irishmen were the negro's of white people in nearly all American history, and even beyond that. Now they've suddenly been grandfathered into being a member of the homogeneous "white race" simply because they've left that lower class trap. They even get their own holiday!

If white nationalists were being historically 'accurate' they'd at least exclude the Irish as well as who knows how many others. After all, what is whiteness anyways?

 

[Puck]

If you want a really good example of how classism and the social aspect of race can play out, look at how Irishmen were the negro's of white people in nearly all American history, and even beyond that. Now they've suddenly been grandfathered into being a member of the homogeneous "white race" simply because they've left that lower class trap. They even get their own holiday!

If white nationalists were being historically 'accurate' they'd at least exclude the Irish as well as who knows how many others. After all, what is whiteness anyways?

The irish were never considered non-white, all the propaganda cited were just cartoons taking the piss out of the irish, saying shit like, oh theyre so poorly behaved its like theyre not even white!

A good example of this is that no irishman was ever denied the vote or citizenship in the united states based on them not being white, and there were irish who even signed the declaration of independance and constitution.

 

[Adamska]

The irish were never considered non-white, all the propaganda cited were just cartoons taking the piss out of the irish, saying shit like, oh theyre so poorly behaved its like theyre not even white!

A good example of this is that no irishman was ever denied the vote or citizenship in the united states based on them not being white, and there were irish who even signed the declaration of independance and constitution.

You mean Scots-Irish? Because they're very much different than their Catholic brethren, and immigrated earlier as a whole than standard Irishmen.

 

[John Carmack]

You mean Scots-Irish? Because they're very much different than their Catholic brethren, and immigrated earlier as a whole than standard Irishmen.

They identified themselves as Irish when they arrived in America. Quite a few of them were Catholics who converted to Protestantism upon arrival.

 

[Adamska]

They identified themselves as Irish when they arrived in America. Quite a few of them were Catholics who converted to Protestantism upon arrival.

More like many of them were Scots or Englishmen who put down roots in Ireland for a few centuries or Irish loyalists who joined the Covenanters or the Church of England way back when before moving here. Part of my family were from this batch of Orange Irish.

 

[Puck]

You mean Scots-Irish? Because they're very much different than their Catholic brethren, and immigrated earlier as a whole than standard Irishmen.

Specifically i was referring to charles carroll who was irish irish and a roman catholic, and the whole catholic part is important because alot of the hatred faced by irish and italians wasnt caused by a "lack of whiteness" but the old english tradition of hating catholics

 

[Adamska]

Specifically i was referring to charles carroll who was irish irish and a roman catholic, and the whole catholic part is important because alot of the hatred faced by irish and italians wasnt caused by a "lack of whiteness" but the old english tradition of hating catholics

Still a big thing to note though; anti-catholicism was a big thing in the US and still somewhat there in Fundie circles now. Plus people like Charles Carroll are as rare as Alexander Hamilton, a Caribbean and the reason there was a grandfather clause to include him as a civvie in the Constitution.

 

[John Carmack]

More like many of them were Scots or Englishmen who put down roots in Ireland for a few centuries or Irish loyalists who joined the Covenanters or the Church of England way back when before moving here. Part of my family were from this batch of Orange Irish.

Yes. They were Irish from Ireland who identified themselves as Irish in the American colonies and set up Irish fraternal groups like Hibernian societies and The Friendly Sons of Saint Patrick.

 

[eternal dog mongler]

More like many of them were Scots or Englishmen who put down roots in Ireland for a few centuries or Irish loyalists who joined the Covenanters or the Church of England way back when before moving here. Part of my family were from this batch of Orange Irish.

Ulstermen parading around with LOL signs still remains my favorite thing

 

[Puck]

Still a big thing to note though; anti-catholicism was a big thing in the US and still somewhat there in Fundie circles now. Plus people like Charles Carroll are as rare as Alexander Hamilton, a Caribbean and the reason there was a grandfather clause to include him as a civvie in the Constitution.

sorry im a little drunk, but how does any of that relate to the claim that the irish werent considered huwhite

 

[AltisticRight]

If you want a really good example of how classism and the social aspect of race can play out, look at how Irishmen were the negro's of white people in nearly all American history, and even beyond that. Now they've suddenly been grandfathered into being a member of the homogeneous "white race" simply because they've left that lower class trap. They even get their own holiday!

If white nationalists were being historically 'accurate' they'd at least exclude the Irish as well as who knows how many others. After all, what is whiteness anyways?

Wrong.
Don't take cartoons and satire pieces taking the piss out of potatoniggers seriously. They are and have always been white.

Race is also not a social construct. Look up haplogroups.

There are socially constructed "races" if you want to pilpul, but it often involves misunderstandings. If you consider Chinese a race, then it's a socially constructed race by the various Chinese dynasties, current one being the CPC. There are Chinese who are descendants of middle-easterners and Russians. Yeah, there are actually white Chinese. 塔塔爾族, the Tatars. The Crimean Tatars escaped Soviet Russia's genocide and settled in China (that didn't kill them) and the other group were descendants of Volga Tatars which is a Turkic ethnic group native to Russia.

Some Crimean Tatars have blonde hair blue eyes, they are white to anyone who isn't a spergy Nordicist fagggot that wants to split hairs, whose mum also likely fucked Tyrone and laid an abomination.

Oh and by the way, Tatars are also mostly traditionally Sunni Muslim too.
This fact alone blows massive holes all across the political spectrum:
1. The lefties who think China wants to genocide Muslims: Muslims escaping Stalin were allowed to settle and practice freely. It would make far more sense if Stalin's slant ally Mao sent them back, didn't happen. I was surprised after learning this myself too, considering the amount of Hans, Mongolians, and Tibetans that monster killed.
2. The wignats who think Islam isn't native to whites whatever it's supposed to mean. There's plenty whites that have been practicing the religion for generations.
3. The stuff about slant racism is largely untrue, since so many different races are recognised and considered (more than) equals by the state. I say "more than", because even China has affirmative action policies for ethnic minorities, allowing them a big advantage when it comes to gaokao and thus also employment.

Say what you want about those reeducation camps, I think it's a brilliant idea. Brainwash these trouble making Muslims and teach them skills to find a job. When they have work to do and a nice flow of capitalist blood, their urge to blow up or stab someone will go away. We should start doing that to those violent thugs and up-to-no-good Jihadists.

The main issue with this "socially constructed race" is that the state of China doesn't consider Chinese a race, most Chinese don't either unless when you call them a ching chong, they will jump chairs and screech. The "Chinese" people commonly refer to has black hair and black or brown eyes, ie HAN Chinese.

Unless people want to correct this misconception, there are "socially constructed races". White and Black is simply not one of them. Another one would be African, which people commonly think are just "black", also untrue. There are white Africans, Jewish Africans, and [insert the 9378963 tribes here]. That being said, Asian is also commonly seen as a race, which it isn't. I won't call these a race, therefore I don't think any socially constructed races exist. If you're willing to label Chinese or African, Asian whatever a race, then you also accept that there are socially constructed races.

Spoiler: Personal Experience

I've witnessed and nearly fell victim to these subhuman trash in the streets before, they will tailgate people and grab their belongings. This hairy looking Arabic like person tailgated some woman's bike and grabbed her handbag, she fell off. Luckily there was a copper, the guy dropped the purse and bolted. The copper didn't chase him and came to the woman. That dipshit was obviously let off because shortly after, I saw him and 3 other guys again up to no good.

When it comes to my own encounter, someone came up to me and said hello, kind of random. I looked back and said hello too, then realised the dipshit tailgating my electric bike. I pulled the brakes which caused a collision, then bolted at full speed. Quick thinking on the other guy's behalf. Most Chinese wouldn't even want to help an old lady that fell over, sad.

So yeah, throw them in camps, indoctrinate them with cultural values and national identity, teach them how to work on an assembly line, deliver dishes or some other low skill job, then allocate a job. Win-win, we get cheap labour, they get a sweet taste of capitalism which will demotivate them from violent thievery. Why would anyone risk their butthole and years of caging just go grab a purse that might have several hundred bucks? When they are too dumb and don't realise it's easier to just work for it, and the income is also stable of course.

 

[Michael Dummett]

The irish were never considered non-white, all the propaganda cited were just cartoons taking the piss out of the irish, saying shit like, oh theyre so poorly behaved its like theyre not even white!

A good example of this is that no irishman was ever denied the vote or citizenship in the united states based on them not being white, and there were irish who even signed the declaration of independance and constitution.

Nigger they ran cartoons filled with Anti_Irish sentiment for fucking decades during the 1800s. They literally were called potato niggers or at least HEAVILY insinuated to be as such:
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[Puck]

Nigger they ran cartoons filled with Anti_Irish sentiment for fucking decades during the 1800s. They literally were called potato niggers or at least HEAVILY insinuated to be as such:
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I bet you take onion articles seriously

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

I bet you take onion articles seriously

They (the Irish) live on beasts only, and live like beasts. They have not progressed at all from the habits of pastoral living. ..This is a filthy people, wallowing in vice. Of all peoples it is the least instructed in the rudiments of the faith. They do not yet pay tithes or first fruits or contract marriages. They do not avoid incest.

I am haunted by the human chimpanzees I saw along that hundred miles of horrible country...to see white chimpanzees is dreadful; if they were black one would not see it so much, but their skins, except where tanned by exposure, are as white as ours.

The judgement of God sent the calamity to teach the Irish a lesson, that calamity must not be too much mitigated. …The real evil with which we have to contend is not the physical evil of the Famine, but the moral evil of the selfish, perverse and turbulent character of the people.

Note that Trevelyan was meant to oversee famine relief in Ireland, and saw his primary job to be reliving the Irish people of their sinful lives, in essence.
Also, even if we accept your undefended assertion that that image is parody, "No Irish Need Apply" and the actions of the Know-Nothings weren't.

 

[Puck]

Note that Trevelyan was meant to oversee famine relief in Ireland, and saw his primary job to be reliving the Irish people of their sinful lives, in essence.
Also, even if we accept your undefended assertion that that image is parody, "No Irish Need Apply" and the actions of the Know-Nothings weren't.

Those are called ethnic conflicts, thats like saying americans wouldnt have considered tesla white because the austrians had anti serb laws

Does anyone have that recent clip where he's talking about a cheeseburger in a really gay sounding way? I'm not sure where it's from originally.

Yea lol

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

Those are called ethnic conflicts, thats like saying americans wouldnt have considered tesla white because the austrians had anti serb laws

The Know-Nothing and INNA were American phenomena, genius. Large sections-large, influential sections at that- of America considered the Irish exactly as bad as negroes and categorized them as "white ethnic", aka "white, but not really". You are outlining a distinction without a difference.

 

[eternal dog mongler]

The Know-Nothing and INNA were American phenomena, genius. Large sections-large, influential sections at that- of America considered the Irish exactly as bad as negroes and categorized them as "white ethnic", aka "white, but not really". You are outlining a distinction without a difference.

I have a sneaking suspicion (but not any evidence for) the anti-Irish racial sentiment being created mostly by German Catholics. They were dealing with a lot of anti-Catholic sentiment at the time and wanted to be the good Catholics. You can't really attack them for being Catholic, since you're Catholic, but you can certainly call them black.

If you ever see two Catholic churches across the street in New England it's very likely that one was the German parish and the other the Irish.

 

[Adamska]

I'd say all three are white.

Force integration of these Muslims the alt-right hates so much is far more realistic than an ethnostate at this point, but then the alt-right is kind of Pro-CPC, or at least their system (likely because of MSM sensationalism). I think my response above went off the tracks a little too much though, oh well.

You'd be called wrong on all three by at least some WNs. It's one of the biggest hurdles for them given the net's been as strict as purely the ethnicity they shill for to what seems to be arbitrary categorizing in most cases.

You need a good consensus point on this one, and your own definition may not be it.

Actually... that might be a good pol or survey to have for the /pol/acks on here... run each ethnicity within and on that borderline of white and see where it ends. It'd at least be funny to me to see that much effort put into something of fairly minor note beyond what tribalists like WNs and SJWs put into it. Plus a consensus would be at least interesting to see if you're into sociocultural shit like I happen to be.

The Know-Nothing and INNA were American phenomena, genius. Large sections-large, influential sections at that- of America considered the Irish exactly as bad as negroes and categorized them as "white ethnic", aka "white, but not really". You are outlining a distinction without a difference.

Yeah, there's a reason my folks were treated better as Ulstermen back in the 19th century in the US, especially when the Green Irish came a flooding in.

 

[Doctor Placebo]

You'd be called wrong on all three by at least some WNs. It's one of the biggest hurdles for them given the net's been as strict as purely the ethnicity they shill for to what seems to be arbitrary categorizing in most cases.

You need a good consensus point on this one, and your own definition may not be it.

Actually... that might be a good pol or survey to have for the /pol/acks on here... run each ethnicity within and on that borderline of white and see where it ends. It'd at least be funny to me to see that much effort put into something of fairly minor note beyond what tribalists like WNs and SJWs put into it. Plus a consensus would be at least interesting to see if you're into sociocultural shit like I happen to be.

That could make for some decent entertainment. My guesses:
The Irish will get voted solidly, if not overwhelmingly in the white category. The racial animosity towards them is mostly antiquated.
European ethnospergs will vote "no" on Romani being white while Americans will vote yes.
American ethnospergs will vote "no" on Iranians being white while Europeans will vote yes (this is the one I'm least sure about, I think it's more of a class split here, with criminal and working class skinhead types hating Iranians while pontificating psuedo-intellectuals like them because they're seen as an alternative to muh Jews and Arabs running the middle east).
Alternatively, people will vote no on every category for the lulz.

 

[Adamska]

That could make for some decent entertainment. My guesses:
The Irish will get voted solidly, if not overwhelmingly in the white category. The racial animosity towards them is mostly antiquated.
European ethnospergs will vote "no" on Romani being white while Americans will vote yes.
American ethnospergs will vote "no" on Iranians being white while Europeans will vote yes (this is the one I'm least sure about, I think it's more of a class split here, with criminal and working class skinhead types hating Iranians while pontificating psuedo-intellectuals like them because they're seen as an alternative to muh Jews and Arabs running the middle east).
Alternatively, people will vote no on every category for the lulz.

Arabs and Indians also run the border too, as do Turks, and to a lesser degree Bulgarians, Greeks, and Italians. Also what about the Latinos/Hispanics?

Like I said, I'd love a big ass survey done by White Nationalists here. I'd love to see if any consensus exists. Also include a variety of Eurostock to the survey too for added potential comedy.