Are troons often worse abusers to cis women than cis men are? -

[Monika H.]

I think yes, especially after reading all the instances of troons actively invading women' spaces and bullying them into submission or outright excluding them.

 

[User name: Required]

This is a trick question as the two answers are the same

 

[Christ Cried]

 

[Inferior Little Shit]

Yes because they usually have emotional issues and other various issues making them likely to lash out.

 

[Lemmingwise]

If you look closely at that picture, you can just see the nose of the person that invented transgenders.

 

[Flake452]

Men are raised our entire lives not to hit women, but to stand up to other men.
Then you have usually a weak, bullied and angry man declare himself a woman, and in his mind its now acceptable to hit a woman because he is one.

 

[IV 445]

Most lesbians reeeeally don’t like trannies. It’s like when Chris suddenly identified as a woman, he thought that entitled him to china. “What? I put on perfume and don’t cut my hair, I’m totally a woman now, so let me pound yer Tom Tom!”

Also it probably cuts every which way with their online behavior. Like dating sites. A lot of them believe WOOSH you are now female, and so can chat up men as well who really aren’t interested in that.

If giving creepy and unwanted attention is abuse, I think trannies are tied with cis men in that respect, even accounting for population. Not just toward women but men as well.

 

[Leonard Helplessness]

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Someone got banned from SomethingAwful for a month just for posting that photo. He was later permabanned for "repeated transphobia."

Realtalk: The question in the OP is definitely the case in female prisons that take in troons, from what I hear.

 

[Clop]

Far as I'm aware, and right now I'm too lazy to check the stats again (so feel free to point me the other way) but lesbian couples in general experience more domestic violence than a hetero couple. Whatever the MtF relation to those stats, I couldn't care less, the whole system is a statistician's nightmare to record.

 

[heyilikeyourmom]

As a cis male I say no, and view any claims to the contrary as a challenge to step up my game.

 

[troononarampage]

I'd say they're both the same, especially if they're AGP. They're mad at the world because we see they look like men.

 

[Rumpled Foreskin]

Spousal abuse is perfectly fine, so who cares?

 

[Damn Near]

Women need to smarten the fuck up about these perverts, and they're all perverts at worst and severely mentally ill at best. Not to say that regular men don't abuse women, obviously

 

[ATaxingWoman]

They are at least equally as much of a threat as normal men as their crime pattern remains the same even after transitioning. (By contrast, TiFs have a higher crime pattern than normal women) https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885

Second, regarding any crime, male-to-females had a significantly increased risk for crime compared to female controls (aHR 6.6; 95% CI 4.1–10. but not compared to males (aHR 0.8; 95% CI 0.5–1.2). This indicates that they retained a male pattern regarding criminality. The same was true regarding violent crime. By contrast, female-to-males had higher crime rates than female controls (aHR 4.1; 95% CI 2.5–6.9) but did not differ from male controls. This indicates a shift to a male pattern regarding criminality and that sex reassignment is coupled to increased crime rate in female-to-males. The same was true regarding violent crime.

Now, this study was conducted on "old school transexuals" (AKA mostly HSTS who continuously faced medical gatekeeping throughout their transition, not to mention that HSTS males are likely to pose less of a threat to women overall due to them having no sexual interest in us), so we don't know how they compare to the new batch of troons. Personally, I feel like the new batch poses more of a threat; not only because of the huge amount of AGPs, but because they have much more influence in society than previous "trans generations".

Far as I'm aware, and right now I'm too lazy to check the stats again (so feel free to point me the other way) but lesbian couples in general experience more domestic violence than a hetero couple. Whatever the MtF relation to those stats, I couldn't care less, the whole system is a statistician's nightmare to record.

Lesbian and bisexual women being more likely to experience intimate partner violence in their lifetime doesn't automatically entail that the abuser is a same-sex partner. https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/181867.pdf

At first glance, these findings suggest that both male and female same-sex couples experience more intimate partner violence than do opposite- sex couples. However, a comparison of intimate partner victimization rates among same-sex and opposite-sex cohabitants by perpetrator gender produced some interesting findings: 30.4 percent of same-sex cohabiting women reported being victimized by a male partner, whereas 11.4 per- cent reported being victimized by a female partner. Thus, same-sex cohabiting women were nearly three times more likely to report being victimized by a male partner than by a female partner. Moreover, opposite-sex cohabiting women were nearly twice as likely to report being victimized by a male partner than were same-sex cohabiting women by a female partner (20.3 percent and 11.4 percent) (exhibit 9).

Somewhat different patterns were found for men. Like their female counterparts, same-sex cohabiting men were more likely to report being victimized by a male partner than by a female partner. Specifically, 15.4 percent of same-sex cohabiting men reported being raped, physically assaulted, and/or stalked by a male partner, but 10.8 percent reported such violence by a female partner. However, same-sex cohabiting men were nearly twice as likely to report being vic- timized by a male partner than were opposite- sex cohabiting men by a female partner (15.4 percent and 7.7 percent). These findings suggest that intimate partner violence is perpetrated primarily by men, whether against male or female partners.

Keep in mind that a lot of homo/bisexuals date people of the opposite sex before getting together with someone of the same sex (and their heterosexual partner might not be very pleased to find out that they're been dating a "fucking faggot/dyke"). That being said, LGBT intimate partner violence isn't as well researched as that of heterosexuals

 

[Monika H.]

They are at least equally as much of a threat as normal men as their crime pattern remains the same even after transitioning. (By contrast, TiFs have a higher crime pattern than normal women) https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885Now, this study was conducted on "old school transexuals" (AKA mostly HSTS who continuously faced medical gatekeeping throughout their transition, not to mention that HSTS males are likely to pose less of a threat to women overall due to them having no sexual interest in us), so we don't know how they compare to the new batch of troons. Personally, I feel like the new batch poses more of a threat; not only because of the huge amount of AGPs, but because they have much more influence in society than previous "trans generations".Lesbian and bisexual women being more likely to experience intimate partner violence in their lifetime doesn't automatically entail that the abuser is a same-sex partner. https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/181867.pdfKeep in mind that a lot of homo/bisexuals date people of the opposite sex before getting together with someone of the same sex (and their heterosexual partner might not be very pleased to find out that they're been dating a "fucking faggot/dyke"). That being said, LGBT intimate partner violence isn't as well researched as that of heterosexuals

That's a whole lot of interesting informations, thanks for sharing it with us!

 

[Clop]

Lesbian and bisexual women being more likely to experience intimate partner violence in their lifetime doesn't automatically entail that the abuser is a same-sex partner. https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/181867.pdf Keep in mind that a lot of homo/bisexuals date people of the opposite sex before getting together with someone of the same sex (and their heterosexual partner might not be very pleased to find out that they're been dating a "fucking faggot/dyke"). That being said, LGBT intimate partner violence isn't as well researched as that of heterosexuals

That, and the stats I checked from a different source just now say a lot of the opposite. This is one thing I fucking hate with domestic violence stats; They vary. A lot. It annoys me to no end because I don't know which one to believe without finding out who did which ones and whether they were cherry-picking any of the data. Which I'm not going to do, I'd rather wash my hands of the whole thing once everyone starts contradicting each other, because I'm already a step ahead by just not hitting a person.

However I still take the whole "perpetrated primarily by men" with a lot of salt, having been on the receiving end of it and knowing full well that there's is fucking nothing a man can do about it, least of all report it.

 

[troononarampage]

Now, this study was conducted on "old school transexuals" (AKA mostly HSTS who continuously faced medical gatekeeping throughout their transition, not to mention that HSTS males are likely to pose less of a threat to women overall due to them having no sexual interest in us), so we don't know how they compare to the new batch of troons. Personally, I feel like the new batch poses more of a threat; not only because of the huge amount of AGPs, but because they have much more influence in society than previous "trans generations". (...)

Nobody likes the new troons but the new troons, but I agree with you. I think they're more dangerous because they have influence, and they try to change things to suit their agenda more so than what the previous transsexuals would have, and because they play victim in that they're being recognised as men (because they walk around with their dicks out practically), because woo victim culture, everyone is transphobic.

 

[Y2K Baby]

No, because there's more of the latter. Duh.

 

[Monika H.]

However I still take the whole "perpetrated primarily by men" with a lot of salt, having been on the receiving end of it and knowing full well that there's is fucking nothing a man can do about it, least of all report it.

Precisely this. A lot of female on male abuse goes unreported.
Not to play victim, but if I did half of the stuff Fräu H. did to me in her bad years I'd be still in jail now.

 

[Nykysnottrans]

Now, this study was conducted on "old school transexuals" (AKA mostly HSTS who continuously faced medical gatekeeping throughout their transition, not to mention that HSTS males are likely to pose less of a threat to women overall due to them having no sexual interest in us), so we don't know how they compare to the new batch of troons. Personally, I feel like the new batch poses more of a threat; not only because of the huge amount of AGPs, but because they have much more influence in society than previous "trans generations".

Agree, any serious study into trans violence towards cis women and cis men should distinguish HSTSs from AGPs from transmen. I suspect transmen too have the potential to be more violent towards cis women (ie their lesbian partners) than a lesbian would because of the side effects of putting T in a body that's not built to process T and the entitlement that comes with being a woman that assumes herself a man living with another cis female. I don't think T makes men inherently violent, I think T is just an efficient way to transfer energy in a male body. Whether a man responds to T with outbursts of violence or not is something else. I suspect that a female is much more likely to get violent on T because the female body is not built to process T. Even Kalvin Garrah says in his videos that "the T makes you an asshole".

I personally do not believe troons are more violent towards cis women than cis men are. I suspect it's exactly the same. Troons insist that the HRT makes them calmer, happier and less likely to lash out but we all know that's not true. Some troons flip out easier because they are on HRT and tripping on the oxy, which makes them less likely to hold back on their emotions and to be more impulsive than they would otherwise be (the whole "2nd puberty" bullshit, that's just a euphemism for saying: "I am more impulsive now"). Oxytocin also makes people more tribalistic, and that contributes to them becoming more prone to conflict and violence.