Depends on what you're concerned about. Concern about the "spike protein" because you read a study wrong and came to the wrong conclusion is not a legitimate reason. If you have allergies to vaccines or whatever, then yeah, your concerns are legit.
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Sister services, email, and search will continue to be negatively effected by the attacks. I made a thread to talk about it, if you're into networking.
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Yeah absolutely. Fuck you, they're my lights, and I don't owe you shit.
I don't give the slightest shit about some merchant. His safety is his problem, not mine.
If you ask me to sacrifice anything at all the answer is no.
Negligence requires a specific explicable duty which you actually have. Generally that requires you to have a specific job which you have willingly undertaken. A cop can be criminally negligent only because he is a cop, for example. No such duty exists, so no such duty is being neglected.
See:
The right to do business without restriction.
and
Freedom of movement.
Among many others.
EyelessMC
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I didn't read it wrong. I read it, read deeper into the article from the Salk Institute explaining it then read the doctor's opinion piece linked in that Salk Institute article. You know this since you can see all the excerpts I provided in the post I made about it. I explained this clearly already.
Why do you do this?
Well, at least there's that.
Well when the doctor who did the study said that it lead to the opposite of what you are claiming happening, I would say it isn't a concern except people like you who want to find faults in the vaccine so you misread studies intentionally
I got the vaccine but still have to wear a mask everywhere. Science!
Dunno why there’s a pressing need to go outside. It’s not like you guys have any friends. Or a girlfriend.
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haha look at this fag with the extroverted slut gf
if your gf isnt a shutin sperg with no friends youre doing it wrong
It's summer and there are activities one can do without anyone such as biking, hiking, and driving. In the northern states, car meets are back and in full swing as well.
Just in case you haven't seen this yet, you may find it interesting:
And a link to the full source from the Library of Congress:
That was regarding a polio vaccine in 1984, but the attitude seems to be exactly the same now. Headlines and articles like the one below are considered counterproductive fear mongering--you're simply not supposed to raise alarms or express doubts of any kind, "whether or not well founded":
CDC investigating heart problems in teenagers and young adults
The CDC looking into reports that a small number of teens and young adults vaccinated against the coronavirus that may have experienced heart problems.
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Interesting stuff overall and there's some stuff I found which clarifies the insistence of not tolerating doubt regarding the Polio vax (sketchy as that is (not new for the FDA), it's likely in response to the Cutter incident still having been a major issue which made people lose trust in the--as time would prove--vastly superior Salk vaccine, but here it was about the oral vaccine which I posted about, and more could be said about that another time, and good points you made about doctors who raise counterpoints getting shunned or worse.
More important and directly relevant to the thread is the article about heart inflammation and concern it must've been one of the vaccines. It seems really...
Remember that comment for Dr. Derek Lowe (whose article the Salk Institute linked to above regarding the S proteins being "coded differently", thus attempting to ameliorate concern regarding the vax and its Spike proteins)?
Fact: The Covid vaccines produce the Spike protein in you. All of them.
This guy pissed me off with how hard he kept hand-waving major facts and insisting it "just works don't worry" by never once considering the effect of the dose which tests show does enter blood and potentially plasma. He also never considers what if the Spike proteins don't remain stuck where they should. He wasn't discussing factors and science for clarity in my view but was just running defense in light of recent findings, which I suppose is why he never once spoke on the S protein's potential correlation to clotting and other side effect issues, a subject that a commenter (shown in the above spoiler tag) mentioned in the comments of this very article.
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Because vaccines in general have been proven over the years to reduce former plagues on mankind like Polio and smallpox to the minor threats or extinct organisms they are today.
Got the shot 6 days ago, not the slightest symptom or reaction except 2 day minor soreness at inject sight, something to expect from every intramuscular injection for anything. Covid never was the massive threat it was somehow made out to be thanks to media panic and herd mentality, but rejecting the vaccine to prevent it (when you've already been vaccinated at birth and again at school against those former plagues, 98% of the time if you were born in a Western nation) is incredibly stupid and short-sighted. It ain't the mark of the beast, kiddies.
Thank you for posting those sources and explaining it in an understandable way. It seems possible but what about how mRNA prevent severe COVID cases like the ones where you have to go on a ventilator? And most people have side effects from it less severe than COVID infection itself? How do they explain the better clinical outcomes for people with the vaccine vs people who got real COVID? If the protein that vaccine makes you produce is as damaging as the virus itself; then why don't as many people get as sick from the vaccine as the virus? Or is the claim simply that the protein is damaging but not that it's as bad as a regular COVID infection? If so, why do they think the benefits do not outweigh the risks? Obviously, if the virus is statistically more likely than the vaccine to have bad clinical outcomes than the vaccine is preferable? I'm not a mathy person but you would need to compare COVID infections stats for vascular damage vs vascular damage caused by the mRNA vaccines. I'm assuming infection with the virus leads to much more vascular damage statistically speaking.Alright so since that's a lot of text copy-pasted and very informational, I just want to focus on the spike protein issue in particular as it relates to the vaccines.
THE SCIENCE
Let's get into it. So, according to the published scientific research here https://archive.md/xIaoS the doctors concluded that:
Establishing that, let's switch over to the article from the peculiar "Natural News" website here which states:
That sounds like a huge problem, so let's check the Salk Institute's article cited above where, quoting the Salk article: "Salk researchers and collaborators show how the protein damages cells, confirming COVID-19 as a primarily vascular disease."
This is all over my head but the main point is clear: simply the S protein itself acts as a major culprit behind the health damage we see to the infected. Even without the virus, if there's Spike protein, there's health damage.https://archive.md/hgjK4 This article from the Salk Institute simply helps to summarize the previously linked research study which did, in fact, prove that the very nature of the Spike protein itself--without virus--is damaging:
Starting to see the "gain of function" research angle even more here but who knows? Does go to show that the lab origin theory is, as has been stated by reputable scientists internationally, still valid.
So the S protein is dangerous and damaging by itself. Scientifically proven. Fact.
But the Natural News article cited this to claim to say that the vaccines are dangerous since they proliferate S proteins in the vaccinated. Do they? Spoiler: Yes. As if to head off this concern about the vaccines early on the Salk Institute's article linked to another article--an opinion piece by one Dr. Derek Lowe.
He also explains the reason for muscle soreness and what muscles are meant to be injected (for those planning on getting the vax TAKE NOTE)https://archive.md/TNiEl This opinion piece on "ScienceMag.org is part of a series called "In The Pipeline" written by Dr. Derek Lowe, whose PhD is in "organic chemistry" and apparently he's a familiar face among "several major pharmaceutical companies" according to his personal bio on the site. He worked in drug discovery projects against diseases ranging from schizophrenia to diabetes and others.
Dr. Lowe's opinion piece about the Covid vaccines in light of the revelation about the S protein states:
Okay so right off the bat we have to acknowledge that the Covid vaccines are actually proliferating--or, to quote Dr. Lowe, "causing people to express"--the S protein which was studied above.
Dr. Lowe, who will go on to argue in favor of the vaccines, did not deny what the Natural News excerpt above stated. He's continuing on in light of it to argue that it is not damaging/dangerous, but he did not deny that this "expression" of S protein is what the vaccines do. Make sure we get that real clear.
Continuing:
I'm not gonna copy-paste the entire article. Everyone else can do their due diligence and actually read it if they, as they claim, defer to the science.
However, here's some choice excerpts:
Okay this sounds retarded since all things get into your blood if you inject, one way or another, but here he's talking about not taking it like an IV injection which was less effective in animal models for the mRNA vax.
He also makes mention of another factor regarding "wild-type" S proteins but you can read that for yourself. It was an update to the article he made after being informed by comments under the article.
Which I don't think is a good thing. Might be good? I thought the upside of the vaccine was that the S protein stuck to where the vax was injected since it stablized there, but I don't know. This barely sounds like English to me now. What does sound like English is this:
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The link provided in the comment is indeed to another published research study: https://archive.md/bgMrW
Sadly, for all his defense of the vaccines and the S protein, Dr. Lowe did not respond to this comment. Maybe another doctor did elsewhere.TL;DR for the TL;DR Science research, published studies, opinion pieces, etc. explain ultimately ALL THE VACCINES bring about the same S protein which the Coof has, and that S protein is capable of causing damage to cells in the body even without the virus. It also may be tied to the blood clotting issues we've seen.Spike protein of the SARS-CoV-2 virus is damaging and dangerous unto itself even without the virus. ALL the Covid vaccines produce this damaging Spike protein, particularly by causing cells outside the liver or at the injection site--which must be in the muscle (deltoid region specifically) to avoid direct blood transmission--to "express" the S protein. The Spike protein of the vax typically stay in that location instead of moving around the body (hence it being in the muscle). However, some of the vaccine does obviously get into the bloodstream anyway, which is bad in this case because of the nature of the S protein being able to do its damage. This is also potentially the reason for the scare in all manner of reactions to the vax regarding blood clotting, etc.
As I see it, this also means that manufacturing and receiving these vaccines annually like a Flu vax, which is what the vax companies want for profit, could potentially increase risk of damage from the S protein itself, since you'd be repeatedly exposing yourself to the risk in getting the thing into your blood so it can eventually wreak havoc.
As-is, there's reasons to consider the vaccines if you're at risk for Covid since you're not inhaling them like you would the virus, but is there rational reason to be concerned about the Covid vaccines?
After all this (and all prior)... What do you think?
Wouldn't it have been great to have learned about this issue of the Spike protein to this extent before developing the vaccines? Man, if only vaccines were typically developed over a longer period of time so that their development could be informed by more research into elements of the virus and study into their long term effects. But what can you do? Gotta make the experimental vaccines for emergency approval only lickety split. Thanks Trump. ...And Biden. And Bill Gates. And international governments and BigPharma and China and....
There's always consequences for rushing things. Hopefully making the vaccines before this study won't lead to severe, long lasting consequences.
I'm with you on unintended longterm consequences. Cancer is always a possibility. We're pretty much going on faith on the advice of cancer experts that the mechanism by which the vaccines work is not likely to be involved in carcinogenesis. Signing up for my vax, I had to sign away my rights if I had an autoimmune disorder because they don't know how they will react together.
I don't fully understand it but I've read that some people who got the virus make NO antibodies, maybe bc the virus is so novel, some gain natural immunity but it only lasts for a few months and the vaccine immunity can last a lot longer.
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Let me guess?
"Trust me, I'm a statistician"?
I'm pretty sure most here will agree that if you are of the demographic that is likely to end up on the ventilator then you should probably get vaccinated.
Wait, are you serious?
A virus being "novel" is a reference to when it was discovered, not any physiological or morphological ability of the virus.
Outside of certain immunocompromised cases, everybody produces antibodies. The existing "antibodies dont last!" is dumb because 1) it comes from studies citing only short-term types of antibodies (e.g. IgM) and not long-term types (e.g. IgA); and 2) it neglects the existence of T-cells and B-cells.
Right now there is no proof that vaccine immunity lasts longer, nor any logical explanation of why it would.
The whole point of a vaccine is to trick your body into reacting as if it's fighting the real thing.
Car insurances policies are biased against males aged 16-28 for no apparent reason, I guess.
Dude, It's just push button - receive butthurt.
I just got the second Moderna dose.
The first dose had my arm sore a few hours after the injection. I expect the same now.
Lingering pinch effect.
The first dose had my arm sore a few hours after the injection. I expect the same now.
Lingering pinch effect.
Thanks for beta testing, now I know it turns you into a colossal faggot I'll avoid it altogether
ErbiumOpium
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I got both doses of Pfizer about a month ago. No side effects at all except for a sore arm for a few days. (Same as the flu shot). My parents are resisting though and it worries the shit out of me because they both have underlying health problems and catching it could possibly kill them.
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