Are you getting the vaccine? - Anti vaxxers BTFO

If a vaccine was made available to you today, would you take it?

  • Yes

    Votes: 332 32.2%
  • No, I'd wait longer

    Votes: 361 35.0%
  • No, I'm never getting the vaccine

    Votes: 337 32.7%

  • Total voters
    1,030

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  • Ivermectin is out of patent, so bio-pharma companies cannot make as much money off of it as they can new vaccines. They are optimizing cash flow, not effective Covid response.
  • The new vaccines can only get emergency approval if there is no alternative, so if Ivermectin were to have proven effective the new vaccines wouldn't have gotten accelerated approval and pharma companies would not be making as much money.
  • Trump was one of the first people to recommend Ivermectin and so the idea that it is effective has been poisoned because of how strong TDS is.
  • People who say Ivermectin works are removed from platforms like YouTube, so it's more difficult to get the word out and people who encounter the rule go "oh well there must be a good reason" and stop investigating.
  • People are so deep into saying Ivermectin doesn't work they can't back out now.
Rather than just assume that they have a good reason, I have read the articles and watched the videos that try to explain why Ivermectin doesn't work, and none of them reference a body of research as large and convincing as the one I posted (or a body of research at all, really). I don't think they are retarded, I just think it is an unfortunate set of circumstances and incentives that lead us to this point. If they really are "more in the know" then they aren't sharing this vital information that is so much better than all of the research. If they are basing their decision off of good information rather than perverse incentives and confirmation bias, I want to see the information so that I can base my decisions off of it.
And even if it was pure retardation (which, once again, I don't think it is), I'm well past the point where I think a government will do pants-on-head retarded things.

But because you care so much about government data, here's some government data on Ivermectin which is from a peer reviewed paper.View attachment 2279564
The problem with treatments is they do a good job at keeping you alive which is great but that is just slapping a band-aid on the problem. It is pretty clear that the strategy we are going with is a vaccine based eradication of the disease just like how smallpox and polio were conquered. It may not pan out but its the direction the world is going.
 

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The problem with treatments is they do a good job at keeping you alive which is great but that is just slapping a band-aid on the problem. It is pretty clear that the strategy we are going with is a vaccine based eradication of the disease just like how smallpox and polio were conquered. It may not pan out but its the direction the world is going.
When you say "slapping a band-aid on the problem" do you mean that a treatment is necessarily post-hoc, it does not prevent the disease?
 

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When you say "slapping a band-aid on the problem" do you mean that a treatment is necessarily post-hoc, it does not prevent the disease?
I mean you or anyone should always keep an eye out for alternatives, you should write your health officials and ask them about Ivermectin and its usefulness, sometimes they will get back to you and explain why it is or is not a viable solution to the problem. You seem like a smart guy who can copy paste data off of the internet with a reasonable level of comprehension of the subject matter maybe get into the health field and directly make a change for the future.
 

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I mean you or anyone should always keep an eye out for alternatives, you should write your health officials and ask them about Ivermectin and its usefulness, sometimes they will get back to you and explain why it is or is not a viable solution to the problem. You seem like a smart guy who can copy paste data off of the internet with a reasonable level of comprehension of the subject matter maybe get into the health field and directly make a change for the future.
So, a drug that's existed long enough to know it's effects pretty well and what it can do, and it's patent has expired so practically anyone can produce it, is less viable than a 'vaccine' that has been mass tested for less than a year, and has already shown to have many side effects that are pretty bad and that's just within the first few months, yet everyone in the medical community is running defense for it because hail da sience(tm).
 

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So, a drug that's existed long enough to know it's effects pretty well and what it can do, and it's patent has expired so practically anyone can produce it, is less viable than a 'vaccine' that has been mass tested for less than a year, and has already shown to have many side effects that are pretty bad and that's just within the first few months, yet everyone in the medical community is running defense for it because hail da sience(tm).
What do you think would happen if you asked your doctor or pharmacist about taking Ivermectin for Covid-19? Pretty sure they would give you a funny look like you were some kind of retard who reads twitter posts about "da sience(tm)".
 

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What do you think would happen if you asked your doctor or pharmacist about taking Ivermectin for Covid-19? Pretty sure they would give you a funny look like you were some kind of retard who reads twitter posts about "da sience(tm)".
Because twitter posts are the only place that has confirmed alternative meds that already existed on the market and have been shown to work against similar diseases?
 

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I mean you or anyone should always keep an eye out for alternatives, you should write your health officials and ask them about Ivermectin and its usefulness, sometimes they will get back to you and explain why it is or is not a viable solution to the problem. You seem like a smart guy who can copy paste data off of the internet with a reasonable level of comprehension of the subject matter maybe get into the health field and directly make a change for the future.
Well thank you for the interesting conversation. I'll take your advice and email my local health officials about Ivermectin and it's efficacy as a treatment and prophylaxis for Covid-19. If anything comes of it I'll come back to the thread.
 

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You're the one who is assblasted that I pointed out that Russia is spreading anti-vax propaganda to Americans. Why does that make you so upset? Does it make your pea-brain realize that maybe, just maybe, your anti-vax views are retarded? If so, you're so close to getting it

I guess you think Russia got Trump elected too.
America: where the political process is simultaneously secure (so secure that anyone who questions it should be banned from every major tech platform for peddling dangerous conspiracy theories) and completely insecure & subject to the whims of Putin somehow.
 

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I guess you think Russia got Trump elected too.
America: where the political process is simultaneously secure (so secure that anyone who questions it should be banned from every major tech platform for peddling dangerous conspiracy theories) and completely insecure & subject to the whims of Putin somehow.
No, they didn't. I said that at the time, too.

But it's been shown that Russia is spreading anti-vax propaganda on social media, where a lot of retards like you get their anti-vaccine stance from. Sorry you're upset that you are retarded enough to believe Russian anti-vaccine propaganda.
 
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I feel like I’ll have to cave in and get vaccinated but that will make me feel as scummy as I do right now.
You might be able to convince a doctor of this and at least have a medical excuse so people can get off your back and quit bitching.
It is pretty clear that the strategy we are going with is a vaccine based eradication of the disease just like how smallpox and polio were conquered. It may not pan out but its the direction the world is going.
If we get a treatment as good as the vaxes, especially once we get it down to at least endemic levels, there will be as much need for them as flu vaccines, i.e. take them if you want them and don't if you don't (which is the real policy currently unless you are in healthcare or something).

I think it's pretty likely we're stuck with this Chinese bullshit virus for the foreseeable future though I really expect at some point we'll have some combo of drugs (maybe even drugs already in the WHO List of Essential Medicines) that render it little more than a bad cold (for the people it isn't already that to).
 
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I did and I don't understand why so many people are being skeptical. Operation Warp Speed was designed so we could produce a vaccine this quickly.
Operation warp speed ignored all FDA regulations on vaccine production and skipped past years of testing and R&D. It was possibly the dumbest thing Trump could have ever put forward. I don't blame a 70 year old businessman for not knowing about the production process for a med, but still.
 

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Operation warp speed ignored all FDA regulations on vaccine production and skipped past years of testing and R&D. It was possibly the dumbest thing Trump could have ever put forward. I don't blame a 70 year old businessman for not knowing about the production process for a med, but still.
Its been like 8 months. No giant pile of dead corpses due to the vaccine have happened yet, When will you drop that they are deadly 2-3 years from now? Compare Vaccine death rate with the 3rd leading cause of death in the USA for 2020 Which is covid-19.
 

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Its been like 8 months. No giant pile of dead corpses due to the vaccine have happened yet, When will you drop that they are deadly 2-3 years from now?
My point was never that the 'vaccines' would actually cause most people to 'drop dead', though there have been a few outliers that it has happened to. The point is injecting the body with instructions that it would not otherwise get and forcing it to produce something it would not have naturally produced in the quantity it is being produced, especially since it's a protein, will cause problems. They might not pop up in a year, they might not popup in two, but you better believe that there will be rising cases of autoimmune disorders, deficciencies, cancers, whatever the hell else can be triggered from external effects that would have likely not otherwise occured. There was already a list of side effects that could happen with regular good ol' tried and true actual vaccines that simply let the body adapt to a virus without it being at deadly levels. But these could have been triggered whether you got the vaccine or you got the virus in general. And the reward outweighed the risk. Now we're going to be getting injections for every minor virus, injections that have a chance to do more harm than any good, that haven't been properly mass tested ever?
 

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