Asymmetric Investments? - Looking for more upside than downside

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Part 1.

What sort of investments have potential upsides or payoffs that are an order of magnitude or more larger than their potential downsides?

Note that I'm not looking for something consistent. I can afford to lose a bit of money for a long time if there is a rare non-zero chance of a massive payoff.

What should I research/read to learn more about those investments?

Yes, I did read Antifragile. He recommends options. What are those?

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Part 2.

On the other hand, what investments have zero chance of ever losing value, regardless of what they gain in value?
 

Marco Fucko

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What you're talking about is gambling. Go invest in some start ups or hit The Strip to bet on sports or play craps.
 
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R/wallstreetbets is what you want. Pretty much all they do is buying options on Robinhood, which can have several 100% pay off or more, with the risk is that you lose what you invest. It is gambling.
Very simply, an option is a contract giving you the right but not the obligation to buy or sell 100 shares of a stock at a certain price at a later date. Buying a call option means you think the stock goes up. Buying a put option means you think it will go down.
What they do is mostly buying puts and calls. NOT selling them, that's different and you can lose more money.
You do not have to exercise options, which means actually buying or selling the 100 shares later. They just buy the contacts and then resell the contacts later if the stock goes the direction they think.
 
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R/wallstreetbets is what you want. Pretty much all they do is buying options on Robinhood, which can have several 100% pay off or more, with the risk is that you lose what you invest. It is gambling.
Very simply, an option is a contract giving you the right but not the obligation to buy or sell 100 shares of a stock at a certain price at a later date. Buying a call option means you think the stock goes up. Buying a put option means you think it will go down.
What they do is mostly buying puts and calls. NOT selling them, that's different and you can lose more money.
You do not have to exercise options, which means actually buying or selling the 100 shares later. They just buy the contacts and then resell the contacts later if the stock goes the direction they think.
Do you know of a decent textbook on options?
 

melty

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Do you know of a decent textbook on options?
I read "Understanding Options" by Michael Sincere, and looked up some concepts online if I didn't really get them. Then I started trading them, which gave me a much better understanding.
I really like options. It enables me to make a bet on the direction I think things are going with potentially very good returns, more than stocks. There are also more reasonable strategies with them that are covered in the book.
I actually started reading Black Swan before this shit started; im planning to check out Antifragile if it's good?
 
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@melty it's pretty good, but Taleb's crankery starts to shine through there as he basically claims to have invented hormesis. It's a good ideas to read Captain Barf's rebuttals of Taleb on Twitter and his (Barf) blog, but it's mostly concerning IQ slapfights.
 
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Goes without saying but choose an industry to focus on and study the shit out of it.

-supply chains, are they worth investing in too? Are the supply chains reliable in relation to the stocks/options of interest?
-make it a habit to read news on those industries on the regular. Social media presence, volatility, so on.
-get a good reading on your own personal risk tolerance as there is no guarantees at all with options and stocks. The only guarantee is that if you're going in blind or making ill informed decisions you will lose your money. Stupider decisions will land you in really hot water (see: guh) Might as well play slots at that point, the end result will be the same and generally safer.

Look up stock market simulation tools. They typically use data based on past market activity and let you make all sorts of gambles, strategies, and what it without risk of losing actual money. I'd suggest using those first to get your feet wet.

Again to stress the point: there are no zero risks in stock, if that's a concern then stocks won't be for you.
 
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