Avatar: The Last Airbender Live-Action Netflix Show Announced -

[Adamska]

One more note on why the Fire Nation is compared to glorious Japan; their naming conventions leaned towards Japanese style, at least in the sense that most of the major characters had names comprised of consonant-vowel combos, similar to the Sunrise Kingdom's language.

 

[Übertroon]

The pilot episode designs were also obviously more Japanese inspired, but they made it more of a cultural mix in the actual show as they did with most of the nations.
Which I actually prefer, having the nations strictly divided by real world cultural lines is boring.
But one can't seriously ignore the Fire Nation and their attempt at creating their own version of the Japanese Co-Prosperity Sphere

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

China was a massive imperialist state too. It just was pretty satisfied with its borders after it gobbled everything it realistically could.

EDIT: Come to think of it that seems to apply to the Earth Kingdom too although it was maybe more decentralized since the Earth King apparently had vassal kingdoms under him. This really probably isn't even worth thinking about or discussing. It's just a dumb kids' show about asian kids with super powers.

 

[Replicant Sasquatch]

China was a massive imperialist state too. It just was pretty satisfied with its borders after it gobbled everything it realistically could.

Many states were like that. But people see the Fire Nation's Navy and agression and immediately assume Japan because that's the only slant-eyed culture they know had boats. It's reductive as fuck.

 

[The Estatist]

The Fire Nation is a representation of Oriental tyranny and bruality who double as a condemnation of warfare and conquest.

Anyway, let's be honest, Avatar has been bad to meh way more than it's been good. Even The Last Airbender only had two seasons worth of good episodes.

What was good in the Last Airbender was thanks to the overall team, not Bryke. They obviously must have canceled out each-other's weak ideas with Legend of Korra being what happens when Bryke goes all in the poz and do whatever the hell.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

Legend of Korra is no more pozzed than Last Airbender was.

 

[Replicant Sasquatch]

Legend of Korra is no more pozzed than Last Airbender was.

Complaining about "pozzing" in a show where white people literally don't exist seems really fucking tone-deaf IMO.

 

[Übertroon]

Complaining about "pozzing" in a show where white people literally don't exist seems really fucking tone-deaf IMO.

When the Fire Nation wipes out the Air Nomads, that's white people being there in spirit.
When Kuvira puts all the undesirables in concentration camps, that's white people being there in spirit
When Sozin exterminates the fags, that's white people being there in spirit

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

When the Fire Nation wipes out the Air Nomads, that's white people being there in spirit.
When Kuvira puts all the undesirables in concentration camps, that's white people being there in spirit
When Sozin exterminates the fags, that's white people being there in spirit

You know there are people that will say that and actually mean it despite none of those being things that originated with what they'd consider white people.

 

[Übertroon]

You know there are people that will say that and actually mean it despite none of those being things that originated with what they'd consider white people.

They also like to blame whitey for slavery even though it was whitey who recognized the immorality of it by law

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

It's kind of hard to think of a racial group that didn't have slavery, but I'm pretty sure taking Africans as slaves was introduced to Europeans by the Berbers.

 

[Übertroon]

Slavery as a concept is about as old as the human race. there were a few institutions to ban slavery, but the first proper and lasting ban on the practice originated with the Catholic Church, it started with banning Jews from owning Christian christian slaves, then recognized later than anyone having Christian slaves was wrong, then the pope simply states that slavery is an affront to God outright. That's why the Catholic nations beat the protestants to the punch on banning slavery

Outside of the west there's actually more slaves today than at any point in history, but that's another matter

 

[The Estatist]

Legend of Korra is no more pozzed than Last Airbender was.

Are you ignoring Bryke saying everybody who didn't see Korrasami coming was just a heterosexist with hetero lens (even though both were shown as not dykes in every season before that one)

Complaining about "pozzing" in a show where white people literally don't exist seems really fucking tone-deaf IMO.

Plenty of stories don't have Whites in them. Been that way since Epic of Gilgamesh.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

Are you ignoring Bryke saying everybody who didn't see Korrasami coming was just a heterosexist with hetero lens (even though both were shown as not dykes in every season before that one)

Only one of them said that. The art guy that doesn't have much to do with the writing. Forget the name. That guy has always been an ass. Good at character designs though. Besides, they're not dykes, they're bi. I don't think 5 seconds of handholding at the very end of the very last episode really counts as pozzing out.

Plenty of stories don't have Whites in them. Been that way since Epic of Gilgamesh.

Um Sumerians were white and based.

 

[The Estatist]

It's not even just the dyke part. You also had the the spirits/spirit portal/Wan that happen to obviously mean to be a metaphor for segregation/immigration/multiculturalism (that and aping Miyazaki).

Besides, there's plenty wrong with LoK compared to its predecessor even ignoring the obvious poz (the villains poorly handled, Korra's petulance and how she's repeatedly shilled by other characters no matter what she does like working with her dastardly uncle, retcons like the one that shoehorned a secret light goddess and wannabe Satan).

 

[Übertroon]

It's not even just the dyke part. You also had the the spirits/spirit portal/Wan that happen to obviously mean to be a metaphor for segregation/immigration/multiculturalism (that and aping Miyazaki).

Besides, there's plenty wrong with LoK compared to its predecessor even ignoring the obvious poz (the villains poorly handled, Korra's petulance and how she's repeatedly shilled by other characters no matter what she does like working with her dastardly uncle, retcons like the one that shoehorned a secret light goddess and wannabe Satan).

Sure, you could look at it like that, but consider this though

First season villains were historical allusions of 20th century radical ideologies like communism and national socialism, how many shows today have the heroes be the defenders of the already established order while the villains are the revolutionary fanatics? Same with book 3, but this time it was anarchists, just like the leftist darling Antifa and their shit. Again the heroes represent the established order trying to conserve the world that was created through the original show.

Kuvira of course was a allusion to fascism, but she arguably is the most complicated of the villains. Her character and motivation is similar enough to the protagonist that she becomes a darker shadow of Korra, and in the end they seemingly agree with her that bringing back the Monarchy was a mistake. The only problem was when she went full Fall Weiss on the land taken from the Earth Kingdom after the 100 years war.

It's nice to have Tenzin has an integral character in the story, a proper family man as well.
Compared to the Star Wars sequel trilogy this shit could have been handled so much worse.

Don't get me started on the comics though, oh boy...

 

[Emperor Julian]

Slavery as a concept is about as old as the human race. there were a few institutions to ban slavery, but the first proper and lasting ban on the practice originated with the Catholic Church, it started with banning Jews from owning Christian christian slaves, then recognized later than anyone having Christian slaves was wrong, then the pope simply states that slavery is an affront to God outright. That's why the Catholic nations beat the protestants to the punch on banning slavery

Outside of the west there's actually more slaves today than at any point in history, but that's another matter

It also becomes economically pointless around the 3rd century, proto-Serfdom and decentralized fuedal structure meant their were more effective methods of cheap labour. The Age of Empire see's a brief resurgance due the massive manpower requiremen but truthfully Slavery is inherantly inferior to pretty much any other economic model.
We've developed far more effective methods of working people to death while in poverty.

It's not even just the dyke part. You also had the the spirits/spirit portal/Wan that happen to obviously mean to be a metaphor for segregation/immigration/multiculturalism (that and aping Miyazaki).

Probably one of the weakest aspect of the setting, Spirits are really bad stand ins for immigrant or other cultures. Whatever else can be said other groups of people are still effectively people, spirits on the other hand are genuinly something else. They don't think like us, they don't even operate under the same principles as a life form as we do. Their morality is universally alien and mercurial-if it exists. and they have the power to kill, torture and mutilate with a minimum of effort.

....... and the now the gate is wide open and the Avatar is too fucking stupid to realize the danger.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

The Avatar being a bit of an autist is an established part of the character going back generations.

It's not even just the dyke part. You also had the the spirits/spirit portal/Wan that happen to obviously mean to be a metaphor for segregation/immigration/multiculturalism (that and aping Miyazaki).

I think you're seeing mudslimes where there are none. It was a bland as fuck standard "well we're different and it causes problems but if we're careful we can make it work" kids' story thing. I mean I guess that's broad enough that it includes any "diversity is our strength!" campaigns but I really don't think it was a deliberate metaphor by any means.

Don't get me started on the comics though, oh boy...

Comics are a shit medium with shit writing (and now) shit art. Tie-in comics even more so.

 

[Replicant Sasquatch]

The people who write the Avatar comics are just elevated tumblr fangirls. Projecting their shit onto the creators is unfair.

 

[The Estatist]

First season villains were historical allusions of 20th century radical ideologies like communism and national socialism, how many shows today have the heroes be the defenders of the already established order while the villains are the revolutionary fanatics? Same with book 3, but this time it was anarchists, just like the leftist darling Antifa and their shit. Again the heroes represent the established order trying to conserve the world that was created through the original show.

I heard of Amon being a an analogue of Communism. I can see it, but I don't see how bending works as an analogue of the bourgeois. Benders weren't really presented as obvious societal superiors of the normies in TLA. And while LoK might have tried to do that we didn't see much of signs of it outside of criminals and one crooked politician.

Also, Book 4 tried to say all those villains were right about whatever they upset about but just "went too far." That's not really condemning Leftism.

Kuvira of course was a allusion to fascism, but she arguably is the most complicated of the villains. Her character and motivation is similar enough to the protagonist that she becomes a darker shadow of Korra, and in the end they seemingly agree with her that bringing back the Monarchy was a mistake.

Eh, not really? We didn't get a discussion on the pros and cons of monarchy. Korra's posse just supported the prince until Kuvira surrendered, then that same prince declared the EK canceled.

The Avatar being a bit of an autist is an established part of the character going back generations.

I don't recall Aang doing something that dangerous to humanity and not be properly called out afterwards.

I think you're seeing mudslimes where there are none. It was a bland as fuck standard "well we're different and it causes problems but if we're careful we can make it work" kids' story thing. I mean I guess that's broad enough that it includes any "diversity is our strength!" campaigns but I really don't think it was a deliberate metaphor by any means.

The show talked about how man and spirit are not meant to be separate (which is silly considering Wan's flashback established DARKNESS SPIRIT as breaking the wall between their realms) and that Korra was forcing spirits to integrate (note that word). Even saying that they must learn to live together. Considering how Bryke have been open about their Leftyism I'd say you underestimate the poz.

The people who write the Avatar comics are just elevated tumblr fangirls. Projecting their shit onto the creators is unfair.

You say that like they disapprove. Need I point out the hetero lens post?