Avenue Q, South Park and the long tail of ironic bigotry - "Jokes and optimism are oppression, REEEEE!!"

RumblyTumbly

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South Park usually makes fun of both sides (at least back then). A good example of a South Park episode where they made fun of both sides and even sided with both of them for particular reasons would be "Naughty Ninjas" where they made fun of both sides regarding police brutality, where they made fun of police incompetence as well as people's dumb reactions to said police incompetence. Right now, modern South Park still makes fun of pussy liberals (e.g. the aforementioned trans athlete episode), but there are times where they cater to pussy liberals, not in terms of "they made fun of both sides and sided with pussy liberals for this reason and also sided with conservatives for this reason" like what they always did, but rather completely catering to pussy liberals sometimes.

The most notable example for some would be the South Park creators decide to reverse their decision about Al Gore and made fun of Americans for putting the blame on China for global warming, but for me the "Splatty Tomato" episode (which for me, was when South Park jumped the shark and the main reason isn't because of political leanings but rather, the abysmal writing and unfunny repetitive jokes etc.) was also a notable example. (Blaming Trump's victory on "The Whites" and nobody cares about "The Whites"... how subtle.)

It's shit like this is also why you get shitty articles like these:


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The funny thing is, the trans episode was about men exploiting a loophole to basically force women out of their own sports. You could have interpreted the whole thing as an attack on Toxic Masculinity and the Patriarchy taking over everything, but no, they went for the "Transphobia!" angle, when that's really not what it was about.
 

Sexual Chocolate

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I love classic South Park, it's one of the greatest comedy shows of all time. I also wish they'd stopped making it about 10 years ago when it became obvious the creators weren't feeling it anymore.

"You're Getting Old" seemed like a cry for help from Matt and Trey. It was - even by the fearless standards of South Park - brave to put something like that out there. A kind of existential howl about losing the carefree joy of youth. It also wasn't funny, it was just depressing. They should've ended the show there.

That was 9 years ago.

South Park has now been running for 23 years. Kyle and Stan and Cartman would be in their 30's now. Parker and Stone are about 50 now. SP has been around so long "The Simpsons Already Did It" now applies to itself. And comedy is mostly a young man's game - not many people can consistently reach those heights of gut-clenching hilariousness in late middle age. It would've been kinder to end the show before it turned into another zombie franchise like The Simpsons. A kind of cartoon version of purgatory.

But anyway... while I think South Park lost its mojo a long time ago, we need something like South Park now more than ever. Jokes aren't just jokes, they're important. They're the opposite of the curse words the Order of Standards and Practices guard against.

Humor is the essence of humanity. Life without laughter is like being on death row with no chance of a pardon. And it's a powerful weapon against people who want to boss you around and try to tell you what you're allowed to do and what you're allowed to think.

There's too many people like that in the world today, and they deserve to be relentlessly, mercilessly mocked. One of them is the author of this piece, Big Fat Todd VanDerWeff:

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How can someone so fat also have no chin? Why is his neck even fatter than his head? Why does that big fat head look like it's going to have a malfunction when he says "Two Weeks"? Why does he look like dresses up as a clown to lure children into storm drains?

These are all important questions, and the answers to them are probably funny.
 

Pokemonquistador2

Electric Boogaloo
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I love classic South Park, it's one of the greatest comedy shows of all time. I also wish they'd stopped making it about 10 years ago when it became obvious the creators weren't feeling it anymore.

"You're Getting Old" seemed like a cry for help from Matt and Trey. It was - even by the fearless standards of South Park - brave to put something like that out there. A kind of existential howl about losing the carefree joy of youth. It also wasn't funny, it was just depressing. They should've ended the show there.

That was 9 years ago.

South Park has now been running for 23 years. Kyle and Stan and Cartman would be in their 30's now. Parker and Stone are about 50 now. SP has been around so long "The Simpsons Already Did It" now applies to itself. And comedy is mostly a young man's game - not many people can consistently reach those heights of gut-clenching hilariousness in late middle age. It would've been kinder to end the show before it turned into another zombie franchise like The Simpsons. A kind of cartoon version of purgatory.

But anyway... while I think South Park lost its mojo a long time ago, we need something like South Park now more than ever. Jokes aren't just jokes, they're important. They're the opposite of the curse words the Order of Standards and Practices guard against.

Humor is the essence of humanity. Life without laughter is like being on death row with no chance of a pardon. And it's a powerful weapon against people who want to boss you around and try to tell you what you're allowed to do and what you're allowed to think.

There's too many people like that in the world today, and they deserve to be relentlessly, mercilessly mocked. One of them is the author of this piece, Big Fat Todd VanDerWeff:

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How can someone so fat also have no chin? Why is his neck even fatter than his head? Why does that big fat head look like it's going to have a malfunction when he says "Two Weeks"? Why does he look like dresses up as a clown to lure children into storm drains?

These are all important questions, and the answers to them are probably funny.

Oh God, I thought that was a woman. Or is it a "woman?"
 

From The Uncanny Valley

World's Smartest Dumbass
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What goes around comes around I guess. Remember those Pearl clutching liberals are almost all the children of those Pearl clutching conservatives who didn't let them watch the shows of yesteryear as kids and instead they grew up cut from the same bitter joyless cloth as their parents. Only switching political sides to piss them off because it's the only way they could express rebellion. South Park did a whole episode on one generation's hate for something cool getting xeroxed onto the next. (the one where Kyle formed millienals against Canada mirroring his mom forming mothers against Canada in 99)

yeah that's cause bs words and ideas like that didn't exist when Avenue q was written

It also perfectly lampooned "animation critics" who do nothing but scream all day at "MEANSPRITED" cartoons
 

wtfNeedSignUp

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The funny thing is, the trans episode was about men exploiting a loophole to basically force women out of their own sports. You could have interpreted the whole thing as an attack on Toxic Masculinity and the Patriarchy taking over everything, but no, they went for the "Transphobia!" angle, when that's really not what it was about.
I kinda got the opposite idea about the episode, the South Park creators created a very convenient character that was pretty much stated to not be trans and only faking it to win and assert his dominance. This way they completely bypassed the whole discussion, because rather than it being the ludicrous situation of women competing against men in wigs who might be real trannies, it is about how we shouldn't let obviously fake trannies compete against women. This adds absolutely nothing to the argument.
The fact that even bringing the subject up is considered transphobia is just regular clown world.
 

EveyDwyer

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Neel Kolhatkar is probably one of the more famous ones, for his short films exploring the absurdity of PC culture. Modern Educayshun was quite the hit, as was #Equality. His comedy sketches make use of racist stereotypes, though there's hardly any backlash from his audience. A cynical view would be that his jokes are deemed acceptable by the "culture warriors" out there because he's not white.

His video The Privilege Game is one of best take downs of woke culture I've seen. The white chick he uses in these videos is so fucking wonderfully snotty. Great casting.

 

Gaymead

"Just giving this thirsty bird a cup of water."
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Emily VanDerWerff
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Big Fat Todd VanDerWeff:

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How can someone so fat also have no chin? Why is his neck even fatter than his head? Why does that big fat head look like it's going to have a malfunction when he says "Two Weeks"? Why does he look like dresses up as a clown to lure children into storm drains?

These are all important questions, and the answers to them are probably funny.
Oh God, I thought that was a woman. Or is it a "woman?"


I'm sure that this joke has already been made before, but she definitely reminds me of someone I saw on the news recently...

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Henry Bemis

just a fragment of what man has deeded to himself
Retired Staff
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Related: An open letter from Ann Harada, Avenue Q's first Christmas Eve, to some guy who's since taken down his own jeremiad about how the show is racist:

Dear Chris Giordano and Artists for Anti-Racist Accountability (AFAR)

I resent having to address this right now since the conversation should really be about how black lives matter, but you have chosen your platform to attack me personally, attack a show I was involved with from the very beginning, and to harass a company I respect and love dearly. So here goes.

You don’t have to like Avenue Q. You can have whatever feelings you want about Avenue Q. What you do NOT get to do is judge my personal character if you don’t know me and we have not worked together. Chris, you are a white man who has no problem calling me, a woman of color, racist. If you’re so interested in supporting POC actors why are you shaming me? Whatever problems you or anyone has with Avenue Q, you’re all comfortable blaming me for them? Gee, thanks.

HOW F*CKING DARE ANY OF YOU imply I tolerate and encourage systemic racism because I agreed with the song title “Everyone’s a Little Bit Racist”. What I was speaking to, and what I believe the song is about, is that we all have unconscious bias due to our various upbringings. I don’t think that is a particularly controversial opinion. The song escalates as it goes along, showing how ridiculous certain stereotypes really are. As for the character of Christmas Eve, of course I see how she is a racial stereotype because of her accent. I believe that is the POINT. I have always maintained that her accent does not indicate that she is ignorant or that it even makes her the butt of the joke. People have accents in real life, it does not make them “less than”. Christmas Eve is the most educated character in Avenue Q.
But why am I even defending her? She doesn’t need it. The content of her character is on the page.

MOST insulting to me personally is that anyone would think I would accept a job I find offensive. Also that my colleagues, many of whom you tagged in your original post, would support work THEY found offensive. I am proud of Avenue Q and of our process in developing the show. I DID speak up about things in the script and score that bothered me, and I am happy to say the creative team listened and treated me with respect, which is more than I can say about you.

I am proud of what we accomplished together. Shows and humor are products of their time and maybe back in 2003 people were more open to irony and satire. I realize some of the content that seemed fine then may not play so now. But I have been told the creatives are open to changes and there are plans to adapt it. I trust them to do what’s right because I know them.

This is, of course, only my personal opinion. You don’t have to like it or like me or like how I played the role. I can only say that at the time it was joyous and liberating to be part of a new kind of storytelling. I will always be grateful for that experience.

However, Chris, I don’t know that it is a good look for you to randomly attack a show that has been closed for a year, to single out a veteran actor of color for particular disdain and bullying, and to be enthusiastic about calling out your “friends” for their “complicity”. To me that does not make you an ally. It makes you a virtue-signaling creep.

Sincerely,

“Broadway’s original Christmas Eve, an actress of Asian-American descent”.

Ann Harada
 

Archeops

Trying to find the meaning of Life, no luck so far
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I'm going to beat the shit out of the author who wrote this for trying to ruin Avenue Q for me
Thirded, what REALLY boils my blood is that they have the scruples to think that "The Internet Is for Porn" is stuck in the early millennium.We all know why people despised Tumblr's NSFW ban and sure as hell wasn't for it being "unfair" to the LGBTQ+ community.
Related: An open letter from Ann Harada, Avenue Q's first Christmas Eve, to some guy who's since taken down his own jeremiad about how the show is racist:
If there's one thing that fills my heart with joy today it has to be this, it's heartwarming to see someone in the entertainment industry standing up to these idiots.
 

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