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[TheAmbiguousLurker]

So, to make Crow's security worse, Jacob apparently had no security footage to use as evidence against Tavaroff and the dude is out on bail because there's no evidence against him.

Titiana is back in town, chasing down Alice and Ocean. Sofiya informs Black Mask that Alice is Beth Kane and that Kate will probably start remembering.

Jacob: "So, you're saying that Sophiya took away your ability to love?"
God, that still sound so damn stupid.

Alice gets Kate to semi-remember who she is by going "This is a mug you made me because I figured out you were gay as kids."

Luke goes to a bar to confront Tavaroff and take care of him... By beating him in a game of poker! No, seriously, Luke's plan of action here is to 'humiliate' Tavaroff in a poker tournament, which of course send him into such a rage that he'll try and kill Luke again.

This is because Luke is suicidal, hating the fact that Ryan saved him. Ryan does not understand this.

Black Mask sends his goons to get Kate back, but only ends up capturing Jacob. He then tells Jacob that he owns the police, will destroy any evidence against him and inform the press that Alice is Beth Kane before then having Jacob arrested for helping Alice.

But Mr Diggles from another CW show, I think, saves Luke and gives him a speech about needing to fight on and not kill himself. Also, after getting punched once in the stomach, Luke gets a head wound.

Jacob makes a speech on TV about how Alice is just a victim and that we can't hold any crimes against her because... Well, I gues she just expects the public to already know about the brainwashing?

Alice is captured. Mary, Ryan and Sophie bring Kate back to Wayne Tower, where she almost murders Mary. Naturally, they then decide to leave her alone and unrestrained and are surprised when she escapes.

Ryan says she's going to trade the Dessert Rose to free Alice, but Mary says she can't do that because... You know, that's the last thing Ryan has of her mother. What? Did you expect the reason to be that this miracle cure shouldn't be handed over to psychotic villain that's only going to horde it while the rest of the world has to deal with diseases?

Also, real convenient that they have to hand the cure over only after it's already been used to save their lives with ease and served it's purpose; otherwise handing it over actually might have been a loss for the team.

They use the Bat signal to say 'Luke Fox, come back' in morse code repeatedly. Yes, they use his name; good thing that none of the villains of Gotham or the police recognise the bat signal very obviously using morse code.

Ryan rescues Alice, more playground taunts exchanged between Sofiya and Alice, Alice goes to find Ocean and Ocean has been killed. Thank god, we almost had a straight relationship there.

Oh yeah, and Alice kills Tatiana. Titiana served no other purpose than being a goon with little to no dialogue in this episode. Wow, good thing they went through all that effort of Sofiya only pretending to kill her for this and didn't just kill her off back then, otherwise the person Alice killed wouldn't have a name.

Luke and Ryan hug over Ryan saying "I don't understand what you're going through, but I don't regret saving your life."

Kate returns to Black mask to grill for info, Sofiya says that she'll explain everything, episode ends.

I'll be honest, I'm impressed that Luke si getting some actual build up to becoming Batwing as opposed to Kate and Ryan just instantly being the best heroes they can be.

 

[The Nothingness]

Is this the season finale or is there one more episode?

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

Police Brutality 101 - Covering Your Tracks:
"I rode up to the suspect, guy next to him said he was stealing the car, then he reached into his pocket and pulled out a gun you won't find on the scene or anywhere else, with a witness who could totally destroy my story that I just let go for some reason." The Crows even suck at being corrupt.

Mary and Ryan immediately agree to use their infinite supply of desert rose on Luke. Yes, they still have this and yes they're still keeping it for themselves and only their friends.

"Wait, you're telling me the girl called 'Enigma' is the daughter of the Riddler? What a twist!"

Yes, episode about corrupt authorities letting the real criminals get away for bullshit reasons, keep having Mary and Co let Alice away while sympathising with her and telling her how 'everybody deserves love'.

Accurate reflection of reality here: People are already up in arms and protesting for this shooting even though no information has come out yet except that a black guy pulled a gun out on a Crow and got shot.

Luke has near-death hallucination about Bruce and Lucius. Of course, Lucius just stands in the corner and says nothing because they couldn't afford a good Morgan Freeman impersonator.

Bruce: Luke, you've been shot. You're here... Because you need to make a choice.
Luke: Yes, I accept, I want out of the show; let me die!
Bruce: I'm sorry, man, it's not that choice.

Ryan fights Tavaroth, but he proves to be an Uber Chad and, despite her invincible armour and plot powers, headbutts her across the alley way where his fellow Chad runs her ass over. Even Ryan can't believe the power on display here!

The Crows fucking CG'd the body cam footage to show Luke pulling out a gun. Fucking hilarious.

Mary is pissed that she, a civilian, isn't allowed to go into the hospital room of a suspected criminal.

"They literally photoshoped a gun into Luke's hand on the bodycam footage." This line was said.

Ryan starts yelling at Sophie with the old "You were in the Crows and you just outed the people who were bad instead of just quitting! You are complicit in every corrupt or forged evidence you didn't know about!" argument.

Luke, you're in a comic book universe, how can you not understand having a freaky hallucination when near death?

"Where do you think we are right now?"
"In your office?"
Dude, you are literally staring at a white void outside the window; what the fuck is wrong with you?

"The Doctors have no idea how to fix you." Is this gonna be that One More Day bullshit where no one knows how to treat a gun shot wound?

Sophie gets pissy at Jacob for not knowing Tavaroth is corrupt? Like, are you assuming he helped forge the evidence or simply that Jacob not knowing that the video is fake is his own fault?

Oh wait, nevermind, Sophie admits that she is corrupt as she let 'suspicious air-tight' evidence put a rapist in prison because all other evidence they had were circumstantial despite that 'they all knew he did it'. At first, I thought this was her arguing that they shouldn't eb able to put someone away without solid evidence or falsifies evidence no matter how sure they are the person's guilty, but then she explains it like the example's just to say it's possible for there to be falsified evidence.

Also, why are her and Jacob making such a big deal about this, they just need to check the undoctored bodycam footage that Jacob has access too. It's not like she's asking him to violate a rule or something.

They hire Wolf Spider to break into the Hospital. So, again, more criminals they're letting run amok because of bias.

Jacob questions Tavaroth ("This Luke boy that I barely know doesn't seem like the type to commit crimes, so something's fishy here.") instead of looking at the body cam footage

Jacob lists off non-lethal methods Tavaroth should have used to subdue the murderous zombies non-lethally instead of killing them. No, fuck off show, when a horde of zombies that are 100% trying to tear into your body and pull out your guts and brains surround you, you are completely justified in using Lethal force instead of risking everybody's lives using non-lethal methods that have a margin for error, especially when zombies are involved. They already displayed little reaction to pain and such, why would tear gas or tasers take them down? A taser is useless when there's multiple bastards charging you.

Tavaroth actually brings up a good point to throw back in Jacob's face. Jacob firing at Batwoman, while satisfying, is a far more accurate example of extreme force. They had her surrounded, she wasn't actively threatening them and she was standing still, yet they opened fire.

Jacob then suspends Tavaroth and 'his cronies' (I'd really like to know how cronies are being identified here) on the grounds that 'Luke Fox doesn't seem like a criminal' and 'You defended yourself from a group of people trying to kill you'. Since, again, HE HASN'T LOOKED AT THE ONLY PIECE OF EVIDENCE THEY ACTUALLY HAVE.

Tavaroth then knocks Jacob out... Okay, I legit need to know what the fuck this guy's gameplan is where assaulting the leader of the Crows at all ends well for him.

Ryan gets Tavaroth's body cam files and can't find Luke's footage because apparently the Crows can't even organise their data for shit.

Sophie see's via cams that Tavaroth and his buddies have kidnapped Jacob.

"You don't kidnap the Commander if you plan to let him live. They're gonna kill him!" ...What? Just- What?! Sophie, if they intended to kill him, they'd... You know... KILL HIM! Kidnapping implies that for, one reason or another, you want them alive.

So, instead of killing him in his office where you'd expect Jacob to do his shady shit, Tavaroth decides to drag Jacob down to the meeting room and inject a lethal dose of Snake Bite into Jacob.

"Your boys were trying to frame Luke Fox!"
"I... I didn't know it was this bad."
"Well you should!"
Why? Why should he? No, seriously, what should Jacob Kane have done differently to stop this from happening? He wasn't lazy, he wasn't letting people off the hook, he wasn't turning a blind eye. He just didn't know the evidence submitted was false. He didn't know that Tavaroth apparently had a guy who could CG 100% convincing body cam footage in under a few hours. Should he be treating every Crow like they're suspicious? Should he ignore existing evidence because even if there's no reason to think it's fake, it could be? Should he just take people's words on it? These shows want to make these big commentaries on this complex issues, but they never provide any suggestions outside of a vague 'Do Better'.

"I get wanting to do good, and I bend the rules too, but I have a code!"
There it is. Bold face admitting that being corrupt and having no oversight isn't a problem as long as you trust yourself to no abuse that power. Do you think Jacob doesn't think the same thing about himself? What are you doing to make sure Luke and Mary aren't doing anything corrupt or abusing their power? Weren't you earlier just going 'The evidence doesn't matter, Luke wouldn't be carrying a gun'? Would Jacob be right to do the same and throw out any evidence against Tavaroth because he didn't think Tavaroth was corrupt?

Ryan tells Jacob to burn down the Crows, that's the only solution she offers.

Jacob announces that Tavaroth and Co have been arrested for framing Luke Fox. WHen asked about evidence, Jacob says the evidence has been destroyed and he'll personally testify in court... No, seriously. Like, couldn't Tavaroth and his buddies just testify against him? If there's no evidence left, there's only witness testimony and he's outnumbered.

Jacob disbands the Crows. And the TV shuts off just as a woman asks "What does this mean for the security of this city?"

Ryan and Mary try to convince the audience that they totally care about Luke

Bruce tells Luke that he can't die yet, because "You got shot. And there's a whole mess of people out there who think you deserve it because you're black."

Damn it, Luke, stop acting. This show isn't worth it!

Luke choses to die... And still wakes up to Ryan's dumb face. That's both hilarious and fucking depressing.

And Jacob seemingly doesn't face any charges for using illegal substances.

And Alice is in his fucking car, of course. At least she's in the front seat for once.

Alice makes the jokes we've all made about Crow's security.

And after making a whole speech about holding himself accountable and not bei- HE DOESN'T ARREST ALICE. They team up to go get Kate back.

R.I.P Jacob, the dude's obviously just given up at this point and is just doing what the show tells him to do until it finally lets him die.

Every single point this show is trying to make, it inadvertendly subverts and invalidates by being horribly written.

You really can't make a show about corrupt "cops" doing corrupt things when the supposedly good characters have done way worse for way longer. Who cares if the crows fake evidence when the protagonists willingly let a mass murderer run free that has a laundry list of murder victims longer than Jeffrey Dahmer.
And the supposedly so morally awesome characters admit to frame jobs, "cause they knew someone was guilty and that makes a frame job AAAAWRIGHT".

It's so fucking terrible before you even factor in such aweful shit as their paper thin moral grandstanding about police brutality and their best fucking example is "You did not have to kill those rabid plague zombies trying to eat your face" when everyone with half a brain would go "Nah, fuck that shit, apply 12 Gauge lead-tranquilizer slugs directly to the forehead."

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Huh, it looks semi-decent.

I dunno. I bet the suit is taken from some other DC comics show and just spraypainted black... and the helmet looks cheap as fuck.

Watch Ryan get completely jealous when Luke actually catches criminals.

Which raises a good point: If the cops are so evil and the crows corrupt... what was Ryan doing with street thugs up till now? Beat them up and let them run?

Remember the good old days when Batman would beat the baddies and tie them up for the cops or haul them straight to Arkham?


Ryan could just mow them down with a gun, at least that way, they'd be off the streets, but the way she must be doing things, she just roughs them up and after they get patched up by some clinic (ironically it would be most likely Mary), so they lay low for a while and then go straight back into beating up grannies to steal their purse. Well done.

Nah, the media will make a big deal about there being a MALE Batman again even though he won’t be as good as Ryan and Ryan will bitch and complain about sexism and misogyny, and Luke will make some statement on TV about “Batwoman” being his superior or something to make her feel better, despite him literally being involved in all this way longer than she is, because we can’t have a man outperform a woman.

He'll publically kiss her feet.
Really, though, there needs to be a scene where Luke shows off that he's black, so maybe he'll remove a glove and give the media a thumbs up and the next shot will be show hosts talking like it was the middle of Jim Crow laws, like I expect a Tucker-inspired media host to blabber something along the lines of "A black hoodlum being the cities designated protector? Such riffraff would not have been allowed in the good old days of Nathan Bedford Forrest! Hark! These negroes are a plight upon mankind!" with some proud female black woman saying "Nah we wuz supa heroes n sheit" back at im and everyone will clap.

The show will need to jump through a few flaming hoops: Luke's fursona needs to be dropped somehow so he can show off he's black. They will need to emphasize that Batwoman is still in charge and they need to establish that Batwoman is not romantically invovled with him. It'll be cringe as fuck.

Black Mask sends his goons to get Kate back, but only ends up capturing Jacob. He then tells Jacob that he owns the police, will destroy any evidence against him and inform the press that Alice is Beth Kane before then having Jacob arrested for helping Alice.

Simply love how the show undoubtedly tries to make this some evil deed by a sadistic villain... when this is literally the only sensible thing to do with Alice... well... second most sensible thing. I refer you to my prior 12 Gauge lead-tranquilizer slug statement, that's what Alice needs to receive on sight.

Jacob makes a speech on TV about how Alice is just a victim and that we can't hold any crimes against her because... Well, I gues she just expects the public to already know about the brainwashing?

"Calm down guys. She's not a career criminal mass murderer by heart. She's just really fucked in the brain and will kill dozens of people for literally no reason ... and we just kinda settled for her running free, cause it's not her fault that she's fucked in the head and you people just sorta need to learn and live with her antics."
-"Well gee thanks Jacob."

They use the Bat signal to say 'Luke Fox, come back' in morse code repeatedly. Yes, they use his name; good thing that none of the villains of Gotham or the police recognise the bat signal very obviously using morse code.

With all shit that has happened in this show, that might be among the top 10 moments of biggest idiocy.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

I like the idea of Lucas being suicidal because the actor desperately wants off the show.

 

[TheAmbiguousLurker]

You really can't make a show about corrupt "cops" doing corrupt things when the supposedly good characters have done way worse for way longer. Who cares if the crows fake evidence when the protagonists willingly let a mass murderer run free that has a laundry list of murder victims longer than Jeffrey Dahmer.
And the supposedly so morally awesome characters admit to frame jobs, "cause they knew someone was guilty and that makes a frame job AAAAWRIGHT".

You also can't make a show about the system being corrupt if all the corrupt authorities who are getting away with their crimes have no evidence against them and have access to technology that basically makes it impossible for any legit system to convict them. You can't blame the system for being put in a situation that literally makes it impossible to prove who the actual culprit is outside of Batwoman's biased assumptions.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

I like the idea of Lucas being suicidal because the acetone desperately wants off the show.

"I have this mysterious voice in my head telling my to jump off a building..his name is Carmus"

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

You also can't make a show about the system being corrupt if all the corrupt authorities who are getting away with their crimes have no evidence against them and have access to technology that basically makes it impossible for any legit system to convict them. You can't blame the system for being put in a situation that literally makes it impossible to prove who the actual culprit is outside of Batwoman's biased assumptions.

It’s not like both Batwoman hasn’t let plenty of villains go too. Remember in season one when Kate let that one hacker girl go because “wah, I’m gay and have no valid LGBT representation on TV and you can never understand because people are shipping you with a man that saved your life from something I caused”?

And in response, Batwoman did an interview to talk about how gay she was.

 

[Chilson]

It’s not like both Batwoman hasn’t let plenty of villains go too. Remember in season one when Kate let that one hacker girl go because “wah, I’m gay and have no valid LGBT representation on TV and you can never understand because people are shipping you with a man that saved your life from something I caused”?

And in response, Batwoman did an interview to talk about how gay she was.

What's worse is that she mostly did the stupid interview because she got into a bitch fit that people were shipping her with some officer who was just doing his job. In a show that exists to pander on a network that has made its bread and butter almost solely off the worst of shipping culture.

Once again showing how Kates ego trumps literally everything else.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

What's worse is that she mostly did the stupid interview because she got into a bitch fit that people were shipping her with some officer who was just doing his job. In a show that exists to pander on a network that has made its bread and butter almost solely off the worst of shipping culture.

Once again showing how Kates ego trumps literally everything else.

I’d still take her over Ryan though, honestly.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

I’d still take her over Ryan though, honestly.

Kate is a narcisist.
Ryan is a self-righteous narcisist.

Kate was mostly a shitty person for pushing herself and her identity to the front all the time. Ryan does so and justifies and excuses everything with her race and identity. The difference is subtle, but it makes her much more annoying.
Also, at every turn, you end up with Ryan doing something incredibly stupid, her being called out for doing something incredibly stupid, her bitching about how people need to #SHUTUPANDLISTEN to her and then the entire narrative bends itself over backwards to show off how correct she was, even though she wasn't. This wasn't so much the case with Kate.
Of course, maybe I'm just a white supremacist and that's why I find Ryan so much more annoying. That's at least the logic the CW will go with, cause it's the easiest way to deal with legit criticism.

You also can't make a show about the system being corrupt if all the corrupt authorities who are getting away with their crimes have no evidence against them and have access to technology that basically makes it impossible for any legit system to convict them. You can't blame the system for being put in a situation that literally makes it impossible to prove who the actual culprit is outside of Batwoman's biased assumptions.

It would really help if we'd ever really see some of the corruption, too.
Ryan has a grudge against the Crows for throwing her in the clink, even though she legit had drugs on her when she bumped into them. In one of the first episodes she says that the "Judge didn't care that the drugs weren't hers and that the Crows were dirty", which just baffles the mind. Okay, the drugs weren't hers. So what? She was still carrying them. So the Crows said "You'd look more pretty if you smiled more". So what? She was still carrying illegal drugs - drugs that are bad enough to warrant taking them away from her junky gf.
Is the implication that the judge is supposed to say "Oh, you got a mildly annoying statement thrown in your face before they busted you for illegal possession of drugs? How terrible, I will set you free right this instant and punish them for... uh... being slightly annoying, I guess."

Then there's the Spiderfag, who gets lightly tapped by a car and then everyone pretends that this was somehow... attempted murder or whatever?
See, I still maintain my original point: Dude would have been eligible for getting shot by the cops. He's a high profile art thief on the run. If the cops need to pop a cap in his ass so he stops homojogging down the runway, so be it.

There was one legit corrupt Crow... but that guy went against the Crows, so he's not an example of the Crows being corrupt, if anything he reinforced the notion that the Crows are not corrupt, since what he did went so clearly against them and their usual actions. Similarly with this Tarkoff dude that will now take Jacob hostage and tries to kill him.

Many such instances, it's so fucking weird, you can tell the writers just go through the motions of having a message, but ultimately, it falls flat, cause the writers set up everything so poorly, they end up invalidating their actual message.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

Bad as Batwomen's corrupt police thing sounds to me nothing is going to beat the Supergirl gun control episode where the DEO (the government organisation that deals with the super shit) decided that they were opposed to lethal weaponry at which point magically nonlethal weaponry could be provided for all of their staff which functioned at least as well as any conventional firearms.

You could almost hear the "why don't you just taze them?" seeping out of the shitty writing.

Naturally it was not asked whether or not they would be providing this magical weaponry to other departments across the US despite the fact that they would probably be well received.

Edit - and since I like to mention good with bad trailer for season 2 of Stargirl dropped.

 

[TheAmbiguousLurker]

Bad as Batwomen's corrupt police thing sounds to me nothing is going to beat the Supergirl gun control episode where the DEO (the government organisation that deals with the super shit) decided that they were opposed to lethal weaponry at which point magically nonlethal weaponry could be provided for all of their staff which functioned at least as well as any conventional firearms.

You could almost hear the "why don't you just taze them?" seeping out of the shitty writing.

Naturally it was not asked whether or not they would be providing this magical weaponry to other departments across the US despite the fact that they would probably be well received.

Edit - and since I like to mention good with bad trailer for season 2 of Stargirl dropped.

Tasers are perfect... I mean, they work just like they do in video games, right?

 

[White Devil]

Tasers are perfect... I mean, they work just like they do in video games, right?

No.

And they don't effect everyone. And there's a variety of clothes the barbs cannot pierce.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

No.

And they don't effect everyone. And there's a variety of clothes the barbs cannot pierce.

Which would actually explain why she doesn't use it all the time. But that's not shown on screen and it'd be so easy to do. Have her shoot a coked-up crazy person like Machete Naruto-runner and have it fail and she gets an "Oh shit!" face.

 

[Miller]

Tasers are perfect... I mean, they work just like they do in video games, right?

I wish they worked like in Syphon Filter.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

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Huh, it looks semi-decent.

The problem is the vacant face. It also reminds me of Power Rangers for some reason.
Wouldn't be surprised if the full face cover is to hide the stuntman.

 

[TheAmbiguousLurker]

The problem is the vacant face. It also reminds me of Power Rangers for some reason.
Wouldn't be surprised if the full face cover is to hide the stuntman.

I've seen some people say the helmet looks like an optimus prime helmet with sharper ears and spray painted blue and now that's all I see,

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

It’s time for THAT episode.

EDIT: Jesus, it’s worse than I ever thought possible.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

>Let the GCPD deal with that, black folks and horror don't mix.

Fuck me. Aside from being one of the dumbest lines I ever heard (and mind you, we're at the end of season two of this shitshow), just let the implications sink in.
Batwoman encountered a Zombie gnawing on someone's guts. She now heard there must be more than one. Her reaction: "Nah, fuck it."

Our Hero, everyone.

And it's all downhill from here, too. Fuck.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

>Let the GCPD deal with that, black folks and horror don't mix.

Fuck me. Aside from being one of the dumbest lines I ever heard (and mind you, we're at the end of season two of this shitshow), just let the implications sink in.
Batwoman encountered a Zombie gnawing on someone's guts. She now heard there must be more than one. Her reaction: "Nah, fuck it."

Our Hero, everyone.

And it's all downhill from here, too. Fuck.

Both Batwoman always seem to care more about their public image and how THEY can do things more than actually helping Gotham, to the point that they had people managing their public image. Which would be completely fine if that was the angle they were going for. But the show expects use to think they’re the best heroes ever or whatever and I ain’t having that shit.

Maybe if Luke makes a good Batwing, we can get a spin-off focused on him and cancel this shit. He’s one of the only actors I’ve seen on here put in an actual strong performance at times.