BBC's Dracula Reboot will be Bisexual; Van Helsing gets Gender-Swapped - When you make the Twilight vampires look butch and menacing, it's time to stop....

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LuthienTinuviel

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Well, I actually watched the thing out of morbid curiosity and call me autistic, but while there was a lot of cringe and a lot of eye-rolling from me, it's not as bad as I thought it would be. Some ideas were clever, others were just terrible. But then again, my expectations were rock-bottom.

Overall... it's less an adaptation of Bram Stoker's novel and more an attempt at Terry Pratchett's Discworld fanfic. I mean, I guess that if you go in expecting Discworld, it's watchable enough. I'll take it over The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen anyway. Claes Bang was pretty damn good as Dracula despite the material he had, and it makes me sad he didn't get a better adaptation. They went for a Bela Lugosi/Christopher Lee type and to that I say THANK GOD. I also didn't hate female Van Helsing, but didn't love her either. The miniseries is basically a Dracula/female Van Helsing fanfic. If you want to see that... just go and watch Hellsing.

No, for real, watch it if you have nothing else to do, but my advice is to stick to Hellsing or Castlevania.

Also, Lucy Westenra is black and I'm surprised she doesn't have a dozen of Tumblrinas saying she's Lesbian Uwu and starting #JusticeForLucy stuff.
 

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This article is a bit old but it seems the anti Moffat danger hairs are starting to crawl out of the woodwork. Here we go again. Strange TMS is silent on the latest reveals.

Once again I have to ask the question as to why they dislike Moffat.
 

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Once again I have to ask the question as to why they dislike Moffat.

Complaints about Moffat often go thusly (ignoring all the complaints about the overall quality of his writing because that's not what Tumblrinas are about anyway):
- Something something Sherlock and Watson should have had an hour-long porno dedicated to them in season 3
- Something something about some of Moffat's jokes being taken way too seriously because they can't handle what barely qualifies as dark humor
- Something something about Bad Representation of the Gays when Moffat's co-writer, Mark Gatiss, is gay himself, but what does he know, right?

Honestly... reading that article and looking at the trailer, I wouldn't say it represents the core of the miniseries that well. Mina is a very secondary character and doesn't do much apart from being an idiot (while the TMS author clearly expected her to be a main character), Lucy is... whatever, I guess, and lady Van Helsing is very much the main character (even if she's diet Integra Hellsing), so, too bad about complaining about the lack of "female perspective".
 

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Complaints about Moffat often go thusly (ignoring all the complaints about the overall quality of his writing because that's not what Tumblrinas are about anyway):
- Something something Sherlock and Watson should have had an hour-long porno dedicated to them in season 3
- Something something about some of Moffat's jokes being taken way too seriously because they can't handle what barely qualifies as dark humor
- Something something about Bad Representation of the Gays when Moffat's co-writer, Mark Gatiss, is gay himself, but what does he know, right?

Honestly... reading that article and looking at the trailer, I wouldn't say it represents the core of the miniseries that well. Mina is a very secondary character and doesn't do much apart from being an idiot (while the TMS author clearly expected her to be a main character), Lucy is... whatever, I guess, and lady Van Helsing is very much the main character (even if she's diet Integra Hellsing), so, too bad about complaining about the lack of "female perspective".
Yeah fans complain a lot about “queer baiting” in Sherlock despite the fact that the show runners made it very clear that they will never be a couple. Tumblrinas are just mad because Moffat and Gatiss refuse to bend to them.

As I said in the Doctor Who thread there were fans accusing of Moffat white washing and erasing queer representation from Davies’s era. Even when he started adding more poc and lgbt characters over time it was never enough for them. Davies was hailed as a hero of progressiveness back then.

There is also constant bitching about how Moffat is a misogynist. It started on Tumblr and Live journal then spread fast around the internet. There was an infamous quote taken out of context from an interview in a shitty tabloid that they love to use as a weapon where he was talking about a character from one of his old shows who thought women were needy. The tabloid decided to twist his words and made it sound like Moffat himself said that. Then tumblr blogs like STFU Moffat and a sizable anti Moffat community grew over time on social media. Moffat actually left Twitter because he got harassed and sent death threats from followers of STFU-Moffat. One of the Sherlock actresses defended him and she too got nasty hate in her inbox. I think she even screenshotted some of it but that was back in 2012 and I don’t feel like digging through back that long. The mods of that blog denied participating in it but refused to condemn the actions of their followers. Quite a lot of the tweets were people spamming links to it in his mentions.

After that we started getting the likes of Aja Romano and Claudia Boleyn writing hit pieces and long videos about how Moffat is a terrible shit lord. Combine all this, the rise of woke culture, social media, and geek sites and you got a breeding ground for false rumors and fake narratives to spread like wild fire.
 

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If you want to see that... just go and watch Hellsing.
Hey Police girl...

Why did they not make an unlicensed live action version of Hellsing? Female van Hellsing, female right hand chick to vlad, they fight fuckn Nazis.
 

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You know, it's been famously argued that the character of Dracula was actually a sort of allegory for Oscar Wilde, who Bram Stoker knew well:
Take it with the usual grain of salt that goes with anything out of academia, but I think this interpretation would be interesting to adapt, if nothing else.
 

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Saw the last episode last night.

Man, what a letdown. After the first two episodes I didn't get why people hated the series so much, now I do. The first episode is fantastic, the second good, the third a complete trainwreck. There were only a few hints of Moffat/Gattis'isms in the first two episodes (inexplicably racially diverse nuns in a 19th century Budapest nunnery, the Agatha character teetering on the edge of being a STRONG WAMMENS Mary Sue) but in the third episode they couldn't help themselves. Dracula literally not understanding the meaning of the phrase "women's rights" and having to be lectured by Zoe about STRONG WAMMENS, the obligatory fetishized self-sacrificing black wammens. Worse, the plot goes along so fast that nothing makes sense, characters are introduced and then disappear before you can figure out who the fuck they are, and the episode descends into a particularly bad Dr Who episode. The ending in particular makes no sense, we go from Zoe figuring out that Dracula is afraid of death to Drac agreeing to commit suicide because ???? Like seriously, was there a deleted scene here or something?

I didn't mind the gay stuff in the first two episodes, Dracula is by its very nature camp as fuck, and the idea that he is a monster that would pray on men and women alike makes perfect sense. Even the interracial gay thing in the second episode is probably pretty close to how such things really played out at that time (except that everyone on the boat would have called the black dude a nigger every time they spoke to him, they left that bit out). But again, Dracula being an inhuman monster who sees humans as mere cattle is contradicted in the third episode, where he's suddenly a misogynist for some reason? So much so that the audience Dracula has to be lectured by Zoe about STRONG WAMMENS. Why? In the previous two episodes it's clear that he respects Agatha because she's intelligent and has only contempt for Harker because he's a moron. There's not a hint of him thinking less of any female character in the first two episodes because they're women, his "I hate everyone equally" attitude is actually quite progressive. Yet in Episode 3 the idea of "women's rights" is so alien to him that he literally has to have it explained to him (this is the same guy who figured out what a thermal imaging camera was the first time he saw one despite having been in suspended animation for 123 years).

The third episode is so full of fucking cringe. It's like someone else wrote it entirely. There's even a major plot point that revolves around someone taking a selfie. Don't watch it. It's infuriating, because the idea of Drac waking up in modern times and having to adapt could be really interesting, but it's handled so hamfistedly that it's unwatchable. Watch the first two episodes, they have great acting, great makeup, great cinematography and some fantastic dialogue. But stop there.
 

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Ok, so British kiwi's explain to me:

You guys invented the english language. Even the most simple of you can at least pretend to be erudite...

I would think you would have plenty of quality writers available. Even ones who could work in the context of diversity mandates.

Yet, all I see from you folks is absolute drivel. Guys like Moffet get a gluttonous amount of work...

Has American pop-culture utterly infected your own?
 

LuthienTinuviel

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You know, it's been famously argued that the character of Dracula was actually a sort of allegory for Oscar Wilde, who Bram Stoker knew well:
Take it with the usual grain of salt that goes with anything out of academia, but I think this interpretation would be interesting to adapt, if nothing else.

Who knows, to be honest. It wouldn't surprise me if it was a Polidori/Byron type of thing going on - but honestly, there are a whole lot of weird stories surrounding Bram Stoker, including some he'd straight up make up himself (like him stating as fact that Elizabeth I was replaced by a man when she died as a teenager). I'd have to read the essay to figure out if the evidence is bullshit, a certain interpretation, or legit. But you could seriously say the novel is basically inspired from British people's fear of the fancy foreigner corrupting their English Roses or something, among other stuff.

Saw the last episode last night.

Man, what a letdown. After the first two episodes I didn't get why people hated the series so much, now I do. The first episode is fantastic, the second good, the third a complete trainwreck. There were only a few hints of Moffat/Gattis'isms in the first two episodes (inexplicably racially diverse nuns in a 19th century Budapest nunnery, the Agatha character teetering on the edge of being a STRONG WAMMENS Mary Sue) but in the third episode they couldn't help themselves. Dracula literally not understanding the meaning of the phrase "women's rights" and having to be lectured by Zoe about STRONG WAMMENS, the obligatory fetishized self-sacrificing black wammens. Worse, the plot goes along so fast that nothing makes sense, characters are introduced and then disappear before you can figure out who the fuck they are, and the episode descends into a particularly bad Dr Who episode. The ending in particular makes no sense, we go from Zoe figuring out that Dracula is afraid of death to Drac agreeing to commit suicide because ???? Like seriously, was there a deleted scene here or something?

I didn't mind the gay stuff in the first two episodes, Dracula is by its very nature camp as fuck, and the idea that he is a monster that would pray on men and women alike makes perfect sense. Even the interracial gay thing in the second episode is probably pretty close to how such things really played out at that time (except that everyone on the boat would have called the black dude a nigger every time they spoke to him, they left that bit out). But again, Dracula being an inhuman monster who sees humans as mere cattle is contradicted in the third episode, where he's suddenly a misogynist for some reason? So much so that the audience Dracula has to be lectured by Zoe about STRONG WAMMENS. Why? In the previous two episodes it's clear that he respects Agatha because she's intelligent and has only contempt for Harker because he's a moron. There's not a hint of him thinking less of any female character in the first two episodes because they're women, his "I hate everyone equally" attitude is actually quite progressive. Yet in Episode 3 the idea of "women's rights" is so alien to him that he literally has to have it explained to him (this is the same guy who figured out what a thermal imaging camera was the first time he saw one despite having been in suspended animation for 123 years).

The third episode is so full of fucking cringe. It's like someone else wrote it entirely. There's even a major plot point that revolves around someone taking a selfie. Don't watch it. It's infuriating, because the idea of Drac waking up in modern times and having to adapt could be really interesting, but it's handled so hamfistedly that it's unwatchable. Watch the first two episodes, they have great acting, great makeup, great cinematography and some fantastic dialogue. But stop there.

I honestly barely paid attention to episode 3 precisely because it seemed super out of place. I honestly think the mini-series would have been better with more episodes in the modern days, but heh.

As for Dracula's sudden misogyny... it didn't really stick with me since I guess I just thought: "Heh, he's a guy from another time period, whatever, yas queen Zoe *waves pompom very unenthusiastically*". Now that I'm reading what you're saying... I'm getting pissed now, great.
 

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There is a show on syfy with a female van hellsing. The show is called van hellsing. Next year is the final season of it they said.
 

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Honestly, It could work(It fucking wont but it could)

Vampires, even in the original Dracula, are about seduction. Corruption. Its part of the reason people get so fucking horny about them. So extending Dracula from just seducing women to also do the same to dudes could work. Do I think it'll work? This is the British Black Cock organization were talking about, this is gonna suck harder than Neo Dracula on a Twinks Poz neck, but the concept isn't inherently dogshit
 

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Honestly, It could work(It fucking wont but it could)

Vampires, even in the original Dracula, are about seduction. Corruption. Its part of the reason people get so fucking horny about them. So extending Dracula from just seducing women to also do the same to dudes could work. Do I think it'll work? This is the British Black Cock organization were talking about, this is gonna suck harder than Neo Dracula on a Twinks Poz neck, but the concept isn't inherently dogshit
You can find out if it worked by reading the reviews that were published when the series was broadcast in January 2020. Wallachian narrator: It didn't.