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InsolentGaylord

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Wanted to say this, the like count on the youtube channel is awfully high so soon after getting uploaded. Is this a sign they are using like bots to hype the trailer up more than it actually is?

I mean seriously I would expect the likes to be at around 200k or something not 600k so soon.
 
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I mean, it looks ok. However, I can't help going...

"But she's dead."

The movie is honestly a pointless affair. The character is dead. She's not coming back. The emotional punch of Endgame would have been harder if this was the gap movie....But it wasn't. It was Captain Marvel, which did so 'well' it actually terrified Disney of making her the center of the MCU.

I mean,

"This will further develop Black Widow's character!"

"....But she's dead."

"It will allow us to know what REALLY happened in <exotic location>."

"....But she's dead."

"Black Widow and their sister will create a strong familial bond!"

"....But she's dead."

There's really....I mean, when you know a character dies and are doing a prequel to the event of the character's death, there has to be something compelling. For example, at least with Darth Vader, it COULD have been interesting to see a gentle family man fall to the side of darkness. It was just bad, but the potential was there.

I just do not see any potential here, unless you end it with a twist, like in the original infinity war, anyone killed by the Soul Stone is trapped inside of it. Even Gammora. But I really don't see them doing this, so I mean, meh.

And there's no sex appeal in Marvel movies. Like Star Wars, they're basically sexless. So there's no point in watching it for fan service either. ScarJo isn't going to be waltzing around in Bikinis, especially not in cold as fuck Russia. So...why am I watching this? I just don't get the point of it now. You fucked up by pussing out and not giving her a movie ages ago and its now just too late. Marvel action I've seen for over 10 years and its gotten formulaic. There's no more character development since she died. She's not going to be sexy in it. The action is something I've seen before. I just can't figure out why I'd go see this.

The only interest I have if this reveals if they're going to bring her back or not. And I would spoil that myself, I wouldn't waste the time or money to see it. If there's a twist she's trapped in the Soul Stone and Dr. Strange and Elizabeth Olsen are going to do a prison break, fine, I'm in. But besides that...her arc is over. Her character is complete. I don't really need to see anything else, and knowing that this came after Endgame means I know none of this influenced the character because this never existed until now.

So....no furthering of any character because they're dead, no sex appeal, no real incentive for different action and a plot I'm not interested in. I can't really speak to other people, because other people might not feel the same way about characterization as I do.

Its kind of a shame, because this is basically low risk filler for after Infinity War. Kinda sucks they killed their best female character and made her movie a filler one.

I forgot to add one: There's no element of risk here. Black Widow nor Hawkeye cannot die or be majorly harmed in this film, because that's just not the case with Infinity War. The tension is effectively deflated as well. They're betting their stakes on these new characters.
 
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Secret Asshole said:
I mean, it looks ok. However, I can't help going...

"But she's dead."

The movie is honestly a pointless affair. The character is dead. She's not coming back. The emotional punch of Endgame would have been harder if this was the gap movie....But it wasn't. It was Captain Marvel, which did so 'well' it actually terrified Disney of making her the center of the MCU.

I mean,

"This will further develop Black Widow's character!"

"....But she's dead."

"It will allow us to know what REALLY happened in <exotic location>."

"....But she's dead."

"Black Widow and their sister will create a strong familial bond!"

"....But she's dead."

There's really....I mean, when you know a character dies and are doing a prequel to the event of the character's death, there has to be something compelling. For example, at least with Darth Vader, it COULD have been interesting to see a gentle family man fall to the side of darkness. It was just bad, but the potential was there.

I just do not see any potential here, unless you end it with a twist, like in the original infinity war, anyone killed by the Soul Stone is trapped inside of it. Even Gammora. But I really don't see them doing this, so I mean, meh.

And there's no sex appeal in Marvel movies. Like Star Wars, they're basically sexless. So there's no point in watching it for fan service either. ScarJo isn't going to be waltzing around in Bikinis, especially not in cold as fuck Russia. So...why am I watching this? I just don't get the point of it now. You fucked up by pussing out and not giving her a movie ages ago and its now just too late. Marvel action I've seen for over 10 years and its gotten formulaic. There's no more character development since she died. She's not going to be sexy in it. The action is something I've seen before. I just can't figure out why I'd go see this.

The only interest I have if this reveals if they're going to bring her back or not. And I would spoil that myself, I wouldn't waste the time or money to see it. If there's a twist she's trapped in the Soul Stone and Dr. Strange and Elizabeth Olsen are going to do a prison break, fine, I'm in. But besides that...her arc is over. Her character is complete. I don't really need to see anything else, and knowing that this came after Endgame means I know none of this influenced the character because this never existed until now.

So....no furthering of any character because they're dead, no sex appeal, no real incentive for different action and a plot I'm not interested in. I can't really speak to other people, because other people might not feel the same way about characterization as I do.

Its kind of a shame, because this is basically low risk filler for after Infinity War. Kinda sucks they killed their best female character and made her movie a filler one.

I forgot to add one: There's no element of risk here. Black Widow nor Hawkeye cannot die or be majorly harmed in this film, because that's just not the case with Infinity War. The tension is effectively deflated as well. They're betting their stakes on these new characters.
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She died in Secret Empire and came back. Just saying...
 
Lucille Bluth

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The movie's 5 years too late. Should've given it when people were demanding one.

I mean it's gonna make a ton of money but still.

I remembered reading that Olga Kurylenko was supposedly in the running for Black Widow and I don't know why she didn't land the part if that rumor was true. given how she was born and raised in the USSR and has partial Russian ancestry, I assume she could probably do a good Russian accent.
 
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Looks dumb, but that's exactly what I expected. Hard pass.

Aeroplane scene looks like it will not only age horribly in CGI, but we've already seen an aeroplane accident in Iron Man 3. He had the benefit of wearing a suit that kept him at level pressure and oxygen intake. This skydiving-through-wreckage-while-shooting-HYDRA-agents looks like pathetic one-upmanship against its own damn universal franchise.

Still going to make a berjillion dollars in the box office anyway because Marvel. Prove me wrong.
 
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That Chris Guy said:
Looks dumb, but that's exactly what I expected. Hard pass.

Aeroplane scene looks like it will not only age horribly in CGI, but we've already seen an aeroplane accident in Iron Man 3. He had the benefit of wearing a suit that kept him at level pressure and oxygen intake. This skydiving-through-wreckage-while-shooting-HYDRA-agents looks like pathetic one-upmanship against its own damn universal franchise.

Still going to make a berjillion dollars in the box office anyway because Marvel. Prove me wrong.
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Even if it makes a billion if they keep putting out movies people aren't passionate about they won't make billions for much longer.
 
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"Can anyone carry an action film like J-Law or ScarJo or whomstever" I see people ask when THEY DON'T EVEN DO THEIR OWN ACTION.

One of my problems isn't that the MCU "isn't cinema," it's that they are ultimately action movies but they are absolutely terrible at action scenes. They use flashy energy attacks and other SFX and spectacle to cover for actual fight choreography.
 
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I think the trailer looks fine. In terms of tone, I'm getting some Winter Soldier vibes, and I'm completely down with that.

In a way, though, this movie can't win because this legitimately feels about 4-5 years too late. If there was a perfect time to do a Black Widow movie, I think it should have happened immediately following Age of Ultron.

With this movie coming out now, it feels haphazard because of what happened in Infinity War and Endgame. It's a prequel to Infinity War ... I get it. However, a lot of excitement is taken away given what we already know (which is why prequels just don't work a lot of the time in the first place, save for Better Call Saul of course).

And if this movie is just a big ol' excuse to retcon her death, I will be absolutely pissed. Nat makes the ultimate sacrifice like a hero. To undo that is just ... No. Just no. I had better not see some lame post credits scene that reveals it was a Skrull or some bullshit the entire time. Fuck that!
 
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StarkRavingMad said:
I think the trailer looks fine. In terms of tone, I'm getting some Winter Soldier vibes, and I'm completely down with that.

In a way, though, this movie can't win because this legitimately feels about 4-5 years too late. If there was a perfect time to do a Black Widow movie, I think it should have happened immediately following Age of Ultron.

With this movie coming out now, it feels haphazard because of what happened in Infinity War and Endgame. It's a prequel to Infinity War ... I get it. However, a lot of excitement is taken away given what we already know (which is why prequels just don't work a lot of the time in the first place, save for Better Call Saul of course).

And if this movie is just a big ol' excuse to retcon her death, I will be absolutely pissed. Nat makes the ultimate sacrifice like a hero. To undo that is just ... No. Just no. I had better not see some lame post credits scene that reveals it was a Skrull or some bullshit the entire time. Fuck that!
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Tbh she didnt make the ultimate sacrifice. No1curr about flopeye and his unnecessary family. It left more questions than answers (also Jeremy's on thin ice with marvel at this point)

Its obvious she's the clone and the nat we saw leaving Tony in disgust is the real one. There's also pics of her waking up in a lake with the soul stone. Also Yelena is obviously being set up as the next Widow.
 
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New footage

It looks... alright. I don't know if it's the accent or just how the trailer's edited but something about Florence Pugh's lines seem lackluster to me. Also the bit at :37 with David Harbour makes me think that the fight scenes in this are going to be of the "30 cuts to climb a fence" variety, which surprises me because apparently I expected more from Marvel.
 
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Internet's Boyfriend said:
New footage

It looks... alright. I don't know if it's the accent or just how the trailer's edited but something about Florence Pugh's lines seem lackluster to me. Also the bit at :37 with David Harbour makes me think that the fight scenes in this are going to be of the "30 cuts to climb a fence" variety, which surprises me because apparently I expected more from Marvel.
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Doesn't look as shit as Captain Marvel and her whole #feminism bs. 30 cuts to climb a fence sounds like the infamous basketball scene from Catwoman.

Lol the accents are all over the place.
 
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I still can't get over 'But she's dead' so I can't really muster to care. I hate shit that is made after a character dies, because it almost always feels like this. "Shit, we didn't give that character enough backstory/time! Lets redo!" I mean, great that would have mattered a ton before she splattered. Or if you know, they used Adam Warlock and the Soul Stone. But Robert Downey wanted out so they had to kill him off.

This just feels like Disney went "SHIT" and made a movie. Your panicking over her death and trying to correct your fuck-up by giving her a movie doesn't make me interested.
 
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There's still a lot more flippy shit than I would have liked but that seems like the best trailer so far. I don't see it as Disney panicking trying to "fix" Nat so much as I theorize that the Florence Pugh BW becomes THE Black Widow going forward and Taskmaster lives and shows up in more movies. There's rumblings he's supposed to factor into the Thunderbolts shit they're doing so we'll see about that.
 
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KillThemCrackasBabies said:
There's still a lot more flippy shit than I would have liked but that seems like the best trailer so far. I don't see it as Disney panicking trying to "fix" Nat so much as I theorize that the Florence Pugh BW becomes THE Black Widow going forward and Taskmaster lives and shows up in more movies. There's rumblings he's supposed to factor into the Thunderbolts shit they're doing so we'll see about that.
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One thing I noticed is that she is wearing Yelena's vest in Infinity War.....
 
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jellycar said:
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Please be good lol
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NGL, I cracked a smile at the family breakfast clip at the end. 😏

KillThemCrackasBabies said:
There's still a lot more flippy shit than I would have liked but that seems like the best trailer so far. I don't see it as Disney panicking trying to "fix" Nat so much as I theorize that the Florence Pugh BW becomes THE Black Widow going forward and Taskmaster lives and shows up in more movies. There's rumblings he's supposed to factor into the Thunderbolts shit they're doing so we'll see about that.
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Just as long as it is Taskmaster, AKA "Tony Masters," and not this "Rick Mason" joker as rumored...
 
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