Snowflake Blaire White / Robert Ryan White / Robbie Fagatron - Transgender token character in Maddox's cuck cabal

Cure Milquetoast

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apparently the fact that Blaire likes boys disqualifies her as an AGP, but she meets some criteria.

like you said, Blaire dresses like a fuckdoll when she wants to be seen as a woman. The time Blaire "dressed like a man" the outfit just looked like how a girl might normally dress on her day off.
I mentioned this in either this or the Nyk thread, but HSTS also fetishise womanhood, it's just in a different way since they are not attracted to women. They usually strive to be objectified and "used" by straight men, and see the female body as the ultimate pinnacle of fuckability. I've yet to meet a HSTS who didn't have an extremely bizarre perception of how women interact with the world and society.
 

Nocturna

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I generally like Blaire. I usually agree with her views, and she's one of the few trannies I'll actually address as "her".

One thing I've wondered however, is if she's just an autogynephile or actually feels more like a woman?

On one hand I kind of like her personality, and she comes across as fairly down to earth, but on another I have a hard time believing most of these trannies are anything but weirdos that get boners over the thought of being a woman.

For whatever reason I don't get that feeling with him/her. Even though she dresses outwardly sexual and has the big fake boobs and shit, she doesn't seem to obsess over sex or being overly sexual. Could all just be an act though, and we don't know what he/she is like off camera. Sorry if this has already been discussed. This thread is yuge.

Thoughts?
The above post pretty much gave a great explanation but I'll expand more on it. Blaire is not an outright autogynephile like that of Contrapoints in the sense of being so enamored by his pornofied image of womanhood that gets him off. Blaire is a HSTS, a homosexual trans-sexual (Just a hyper feminine gay man) and because HSTS (Gay men) are not attracted to women, the Autogynephelia manifests in a different way.

Instead of fetishizing the pornographic, man-made image of womanhood as a means to obsess and get off to it, the HSTS instead fetishizes the image but in a way to attract men and that is what gets them off. Instead of getting off at the thought of themselves, they get off on the idolization, praise, and sexual attention from the men who indulge them.

Something that I think non-gay people may not understand is that hyper feminine gay men are not seen as very attractive to other gay men (including other feminine gay men). In the gay dating sphere, massculinity is considered the most attractive a guy can be. There's a mantra in the sphere called "Masc4Masc" which is what it sounds like. Because of this, it leaves a lot of feminine gay men rejected and lonely when it comes to dating gay men when they get rejected for it. However it's not uncommon for hyper feminine gay men to attract bisexual men though the problem is that these bisexual men are oftentimes closeted and have no intention of ever having a serious relationship with another guy even if the guy is feminine, they only view guys as sex objects while women are the ones worthy for relationships, and/or they are married or have a girfriend and are looking to hook up on the side. Blaire has even alluded that this is what he was going through back before he started calling himself "Blaire White".

So what happens is that some feminine gay men feel that maybe if they go along with the trans stuff, it'll improve their lives as they'll be more accepted as delusional men who think they are women over non-conforming feminine men and that their dating lives will improve since in their mind, they'll be able to date straight men who won't have a problem with them being feminine. But of course it's an illusion. nothing really changes because genuine straight men want absolutely nothing to do with them because they are not attracted to other men no matter how feminine the man is. The trans-identified men are still attracting the same closet-cases that they were attracting before. That's why some TIMs (Trans-identified men) go apeshit when they get rejected by straight men because they were trying to get away from the closet-case bisexuals.

But anyway, that's the general rundown of the HSTS. Just hyper-feminine gay men whose autogynephilia comes from the adoration and idolization they get from men as opposed to the AGP who gets sexual pleasure from viewing themselves or hyper femininity in porn.

And for some bonus notes, we do see Blaire's autogynephelia in display every now and then. Aside from the obvious of him dressing like a hooker (which is something even the straight AGPs do) and the implants, he also would play it up whenever he shoved his chest into the camera before each video (I don't think he does this anymore but he used to right after he got them implanted) Also just the valley accent because in his mind, he thinks the bimbo stereotype is like peak womanhood which is why it feels so unnerving to listen to..

Anyway sorry for the long comment but I hope this helped explain some things.
 

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I generally like Blaire. I usually agree with her views, and she's one of the few trannies I'll actually address as "her".

One thing I've wondered however, is if she's just an autogynephile or actually feels more like a woman?

On one hand I kind of like her personality, and she comes across as fairly down to earth, but on another I have a hard time believing most of these trannies are anything but weirdos that get boners over the thought of being a woman.

For whatever reason I don't get that feeling with him/her. Even though she dresses outwardly sexual and has the big fake boobs and shit, she doesn't seem to obsess over sex or being overly sexual. Could all just be an act though, and we don't know what he/she is like off camera. Sorry if this has already been discussed. This thread is yuge.

Thoughts?
I'd always gotten the vibe from Blaire that's not very sexual. She has talked about having been raped when she was younger which might be why.
 

RavenCrow

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I'd always gotten the vibe from Blaire that's not very sexual. She has talked about having been raped when she was younger which might be why.
Yeah. Whenever I see videos on YouTube or posts on Twitter for instance from so called trans people, they're always so sexual and disturbing. It's like every second of the day they think about sex, which I would think isn't normal. Blaire on the other hand seems fairly normal -- as normal as a tranny can be. I also see a lot of trannies who I swear look dead behind the eyes.. Blaire seems generally happy.

Another thing I found interesting was something Posie Parker said on a Livestream. Someone asked her about Blaire and she said something like "I think Blaire has suffered a lot of trauma", which struck me as interesting, because of all people, normally she refers to "transgender" individuals as fetishist perverts lol. Not that she is the voice of all reason, but coming from her that wasn't pretty tame.
 

Nocturna

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I'd always gotten the vibe from Blaire that's not very sexual. She has talked about having been raped when she was younger which might be why.
You gotta remember that what you see on c amera may not be what you would see offline. I'm sure that Blaire is sexual off camera. Being sexual isn't a bad thing of course, it's normal because humans are sexual creatures and just... With someone like Joey who is a closeted gay/bi, I just am more than sure.

Yeah. Whenever I see videos on YouTube or posts on Twitter for instance from so called trans people, they're always so sexual and disturbing. It's like every second of the day they think about sex, which I would think isn't normal. Blaire on the other hand seems fairly normal -- as normal as a tranny can be. I also see a lot of trannies who I swear look dead behind the eyes.. Blaire seems generally happy.

Another thing I found interesting was something Posie Parker said on a Livestream. Someone asked her about Blaire and she said something like "I think Blaire has suffered a lot of trauma", which struck me as interesting, because of all people, normally she refers to "transgender" individuals as fetishist perverts lol. Not that she is the voice of all reason, but coming from her that wasn't pretty tame.
Posie Parker wasn't wrong, Assuming you watched Blaire White back in 2016-2017, Blaire revealed things about his past that definitely were traumatic. When Blaire came out as gay, his father and grandfather wanted nothing to do with him, It took a while for his mom to come around to accept him. He's also been cut off from the rest of his family which is why he can never see them during the holidays. And he faced a very difficult dating life back when he was calling himself Robbie. He was not attracting a lot of gay men because of his femininity and was only attracting closet-cases who only wanted sex. Even when he started calling himself "Blaire" and got his first boyfriend, he was a closet-case who literally would make Blaire hide in a ifferent room whenever his parents came to visit him.

So yeah, Posie Parker was not wrong. I'm not sure if she knows those details about him but having to go through all that was definitely a trauma and it's why Blaire is so desperate to be seen as a woman. He can say that he knows he's male but whenever someone calls him a man, you can tell he doesn't like that. And it can also explain why he wants to hold onto Joey despite the assault because he knows if he breaks up with Joey, he'll have to go back into the harsh dating scene wheere he'll have to sort through the tranny chasers (closeted men).
 

Tasty Tatty

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I have no much problem with trans women who "bimbofy" themselves because it's the only way they can "express" being a woman. It's a caricature of what a woman is because there is in fact no other way to be one. You have to overreact what you can't act naturally. In the case of Blaire, dressing in "normal clothes" doesn't give her an identity and she could haev a point: a man dressing in simple jeans and a shirt will be still a man, but if he wear typical women's clothes, then there is more of a change from the ordinary. Of course you need to push that.

TO be fair, as much as I am cynical about Blaire, I don't honestly care that much, especially after seeing other awful people like Zinnia Jones. I wouldn't mind when he tries to dress like a hooker or a little girl if it wasn't that he's just petty and cruel against women and believes he's a better woman the the rest of us. Blaire isn't like this. If Blaire actually masturbates at her own image, I dont' give a shit because we dont' know it and it's not our business. Zinnia-types have made it everybody's business.
 

T0oCoolFool

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The biggest surprise to me is that Blaire said that a lot of her audience are "kids", then talks about parents bringing their kids to see her. Regardless on of what you think about Blaire, why the hell would kids be interested in watching her? And why would parents be okay with it? It's been a while since I've watched Blaire, but I don't remember ANY of her videos being kid friendly. Not only is she not kid friendly, but I can't imagine kids finding her content entertaining.

Imagine being a parent and thinking that Blaire is quality content for them to be watching. "Let's bring John and Sally to see Blaire! I can't wait for them to learn about Jonathan Yaniv!" Unless she defines "kid" as being an older teenager, but that's an odd way to frame it.
 

Cure Milquetoast

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The biggest surprise to me is that Blaire said that a lot of her audience are "kids", then talks about parents bringing their kids to see her. Regardless on of what you think about Blaire, why the hell would kids be interested in watching her? And why would parents be okay with it? It's been a while since I've watched Blaire, but I don't remember ANY of her videos being kid friendly. Not only is she not kid friendly, but I can't imagine kids finding her content entertaining.

Imagine being a parent and thinking that Blaire is quality content for them to be watching. "Let's bring John and Sally to see Blaire! I can't wait for them to learn about Jonathan Yaniv!" Unless she defines "kid" as being an older teenager, but that's an odd way to frame it.
I assume Blaire means teenagers (13-16) instead of like 7-12 year olds, since that's when teens start getting #political.
 

Nykysnottrans

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One thing I've wondered however, is if she's just an autogynephile or actually feels more like a woman?
No, the consensus is that Blaire is a classic HSTS. Someone once made a breakdown cheat-sheet of the HSTS/AGP taxonomy, Blaire's picture was included in that sheet as an example of a typical HSTS (look at the bottom row in the middle column):

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apparently the fact that Blaire likes boys disqualifies her as an AGP, but she meets some criteria.
HSTS also fetishise womanhood, it's just in a different way since they are not attracted to women
I think a lot of TERFs who accuse HSTS of fetishizing women misunderstand the meaning of the term "fetish". Fetishization means getting off to an object. HSTSs certainly objectify women but they don't do so to get off to them so I wouldn't call it fetishization. I think the autistic type of HSTS (the third column in the above image) is far more likely to fetishize women because a lot of those HSTS autists become "transbians" with other autistic HSTSs. There is certainly an aspect of sexual fetishization at work there, but I think it's more to do with GAMP (ie, fetishizing a man who looks like a woman but is still anatomically recognizably male) than with fetishizing cis women the way AGPs so obviously do.

Instead of fetishizing the pornographic, man-made image of womanhood as a means to obsess and get off to it, the HSTS instead fetishizes the image but in a way to attract men and that is what gets them off. Instead of getting off at the thought of themselves, they get off on the idolization, praise, and sexual attention from the men who indulge them.
Is self-objectification a "fetish" though? I would say not in the case of an HSTS. HSTSs self-objectify (and self-sexualize, self-bimbofy) for the purpose of TRAPping a straight man, so the sexual object there - or the subject of their desire, if you want to use less objectifying language - is the straight man they are after. I think radical feminists have a hard time coming to terms with the fact that homosexuality takes women out of the equation, so this accusation levelled at HSTSs that they are just "closeted AGPs who still fetishize women, just in a different way" is just an attempt by feminists to re-insert the woman into the equation where there really is none. Even post-modern feminists tend to do this because of pomo theorists like Eve Segdwick educating them about triangulation and how closeted gay artists would express their secret gay desires for another man in a coded manner through an objectified stand-in-between, a woman. (ContraPoints' favourite Cronenberg movie Dead Ringers is a great example of this kind of triangulation.) Accusing HSTSs of being closeted AGPs is reinforcing that Sedgwickian triangulation.

I also see a lot of trannies who I swear look dead behind the eyes.. Blaire seems generally happy.
Be very very careful with trying to gauge someone's level of happiness/sadness on the basis of a Youtube video:


Another thing I found interesting was something Posie Parker said on a Livestream. Someone asked her about Blaire and she said something like "I think Blaire has suffered a lot of trauma", which struck me as interesting, because of all people, normally she refers to "transgender" individuals as fetishist perverts lol. Not that she is the voice of all reason, but coming from her that wasn't pretty tame.
Posie Parker is a conservative and Blaire is a fellow conservative so of course Posie Parker would go soft on a trannie who's in her political camp.

TO be fair, as much as I am cynical about Blaire, I don't honestly care that much, especially after seeing other awful people like Zinnia Jones. I wouldn't mind when he tries to dress like a hooker or a little girl if it wasn't that he's just petty and cruel against women and believes he's a better woman the the rest of us. Blaire isn't like this. If Blaire actually masturbates at her own image, I dont' give a shit because we dont' know it and it's not our business. Zinnia-types have made it everybody's business.
Totally agreed with everything said here.

Regardless on of what you think about Blaire, why the hell would kids be interested in watching her? And why would parents be okay with it?
My guess is that most of these parents have no idea what videos kids are watching on Youtube. Now, as to how a kid would discover Blaire, I would assume her collabs with Shane Dawson have something to do with it. Shane Dawson has a multi-million audience and many of those viewers are kids, so it's possible kids discovered her through their collab or through the algo in the recommendations. BTW, Shane is an out of the closet gay man, so you might as well ask "why are kids watching a faggot on Youtube and are their parents OK with that" if you're gonna go down that route. I mean, parents allowed their kids to watch the Paul brothers FFS.
 

Nocturna

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I have no much problem with trans women who "bimbofy" themselves because it's the only way they can "express" being a woman. It's a caricature of what a woman is because there is in fact no other way to be one. You have to overreact what you can't act naturally. In the case of Blaire, dressing in "normal clothes" doesn't give her an identity and she could haev a point: a man dressing in simple jeans and a shirt will be still a man, but if he wear typical women's clothes, then there is more of a change from the ordinary. Of course you need to push that.

TO be fair, as much as I am cynical about Blaire, I don't honestly care that much, especially after seeing other awful people like Zinnia Jones. I wouldn't mind when he tries to dress like a hooker or a little girl if it wasn't that he's just petty and cruel against women and believes he's a better woman the the rest of us. Blaire isn't like this. If Blaire actually masturbates at her own image, I dont' give a shit because we dont' know it and it's not our business. Zinnia-types have made it everybody's business.
I'm sorry dude but men have no room to talk about what being a woman is like, that's why you don't have a problem with these trans-identified men who act like a laughable caraicature of women that is man made that comes from the porn industry because you're a man. You don't know how a woman feels seeing these parodies and being told that that is what womanhood is when it's not true and it's coming from men congratulating other men.

There are plenty of men (usually gay) who wear women's clothes and all is fine. Yes it's true that they may get a bit disapproval from close-minded people but that's the person's fault, not the guy's. I mean take a gander back at the 60s-70s when it was considered taboo for women to wear pants and pant-suits. They faced disapproval as well but they stuck it out and stood together and 20 years later, no one bats an eye when women wear pants, pant-suits, or even dress masculinely outside of staunch conservatives who turn their nose at anything that doesn't conform to the old ways of American living. If more men who genuinely like looking feminine came together and stuck it out, it would be the same but that just hasn't happened yet and instead, they're calling themselves women and creating this mess.

And Blaire types of delusion is just as problematic as the Zinnia Jones type of guys, just in different way. Of course it won't be offensive to you because you're a guy but it's totally understandable why it is offensive to women. If Blaire just called himself a dude and was honest about himself, there'd be no issue really. When it comes to this stuff, exceptions are nil in this debate. It's like how this one woman made a very good point about the bathroom situation. You let one trans-identified men into the women's bathroom, you have to let hem all in. It's the same with the ideology of transgenderism in general.
 

Nocturna

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Is self-objectification a "fetish" though? I would say not in the case of an HSTS. HSTSs self-objectify (and self-sexualize, self-bimbofy) for the purpose of TRAPping a straight man, so the sexual object there - or the subject of their desire, if you want to use less objectifying language - is the straight man they are after. I think radical feminists have a hard time coming to terms with the fact that homosexuality takes women out of the equation, so this accusation levelled at HSTSs that they are just "closeted AGPs who still fetishize women, just in a different way" is just an attempt by feminists to re-insert the woman into the equation where there really is none. Even post-modern feminists tend to do this because of pomo theorists like Eve Segdwick educating them about triangulation and how closeted gay artists would express their secret gay desires for another man in a coded manner through an objectified stand-in-between, a woman. (ContraPoints' favourite Cronenberg movie Dead Ringers is a great example of this kind of triangulation.) Accusing HSTSs of being closeted AGPs is reinforcing that Sedgwickian triangulation.
That's a fair point. I'm not sure if self-ojectification is a fetishi if the person in question is not getting off on it by himself. And it's true that Radical feminists have a hard time discussion the HSTS because they are just gay men who are not interested in women, they're just interested in trying to look like the caricature of women that is man-made from porn as a hopes to attract straight only to continue attracting the closeted bisexual types like they would if they didn't call themselves trans, they attract the same person. This is why the best people who can combat the HSTS are feminine non-conforming gay men because they are better suited to tackling them. The Rad fems do a fine enough job tackling the AGPs.
 

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No, the consensus is that Blaire is a classic HSTS. Someone once made a breakdown cheat-sheet of the HSTS/AGP taxonomy, Blaire's picture was included in that sheet as an example of a typical HSTS (look at the bottom row in the middle column):

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I think a lot of TERFs who accuse HSTS of fetishizing women misunderstand the meaning of the term "fetish". Fetishization means getting off to an object. HSTSs certainly objectify women but they don't do so to get off to them so I wouldn't call it fetishization. I think the autistic type of HSTS (the third column in the above image) is far more likely to fetishize women because a lot of those HSTS autists become "transbians" with other autistic HSTSs. There is certainly an aspect of sexual fetishization at work there, but I think it's more to do with GAMP (ie, fetishizing a man who looks like a woman but is still anatomically recognizably male) than with fetishizing cis women the way AGPs so obviously do.



Is self-objectification a "fetish" though? I would say not in the case of an HSTS. HSTSs self-objectify (and self-sexualize, self-bimbofy) for the purpose of TRAPping a straight man, so the sexual object there - or the subject of their desire, if you want to use less objectifying language - is the straight man they are after. I think radical feminists have a hard time coming to terms with the fact that homosexuality takes women out of the equation, so this accusation levelled at HSTSs that they are just "closeted AGPs who still fetishize women, just in a different way" is just an attempt by feminists to re-insert the woman into the equation where there really is none. Even post-modern feminists tend to do this because of pomo theorists like Eve Segdwick educating them about triangulation and how closeted gay artists would express their secret gay desires for another man in a coded manner through an objectified stand-in-between, a woman. (ContraPoints' favourite Cronenberg movie Dead Ringers is a great example of this kind of triangulation.) Accusing HSTSs of being closeted AGPs is reinforcing that Sedgwickian triangulation.



Be very very careful with trying to gauge someone's level of happiness/sadness on the basis of a Youtube video:




Posie Parker is a conservative and Blaire is a fellow conservative so of course Posie Parker would go soft on a trannie who's in her political camp.



Totally agreed with everything said here.



My guess is that most of these parents have no idea what videos kids are watching on Youtube. Now, as to how a kid would discover Blaire, I would assume her collabs with Shane Dawson have something to do with it. Shane Dawson has a multi-million audience and many of those viewers are kids, so it's possible kids discovered her through their collab or through the algo in the recommendations. BTW, Shane is an out of the closet gay man, so you might as well ask "why are kids watching a faggot on Youtube and are their parents OK with that" if you're gonna go down that route. I mean, parents allowed their kids to watch the Paul brothers FFS.
I’m pretty sure HGAST was added as a joke, but come to think of it, autistic troons really could be considered a subtype. From what I have seen, they are overwhelmingly AGPs or the female equivalent. Classic AGPs are the older men, often married with kids and a somewhat normal life prior to trooning out. Bruce Jenner is the best example. Autistic AGPs, however, are a relatively new phenomenon. Defining characteristics include:
  • Autism (free space)
  • In their teens or twenties, raised by the Internet
  • Probably has a thread on the farms
  • Pronouns in Twitter bio, “kill TERFs”
  • “Become the girlfriend.”
  • Furry/Weeb/Gamer
  • The names Alice, Zoey, or Lily
  • The names Aiden, Brayden, Caiden, etc.
  • Mile long list of fetishes
  • Poly
  • Programming/IT
  • Showing up to Blaire White meetups to literally autistic screech