Blaire White vs. Jonathan Yaniv - A cow crossover and the ultimate showdown! 8/5/19 DEBATE HAPPENING TONIGHT. 5PM EST.

[Munchma Quchi]

Was gonna say. Surrey is also HUGE. Far bigger then Vancouver, it's the largest incorporated City in Canada for square footage, and has over 1 million people living here. There are indeed areas like Newton where you can go into a grocery store and not see a single white face shopping or at the cashiers, all Punjabis, but there are also white reigons (usually well off, but also white slums like Whalley/Surrey Central) Vietnamese areas, Chinese areas, etc. It's a true multicultural city and easily one of the most liberal areas in the very liberal Lower Mainland of B.C.

Even in Whalley/Surrey Central if you're there as a white person you can easily find yourself the only white person in the room wherever you are at any given moment, but this mostly just seems to be an intolerable situation just for Yaniv...

 

[dirt lamb]

We’re not walking bimbos.

Speak for yourself honey

 

[Koresh]

Blaire went on Rose of Dawn (another right-wing transgender youtuber)'s channel and talked about the debate. Some interesting stuff about her thought process during the debate, some salt from every participating party, and Rose of Dawn has some decent observations.

 

[Northern Blockhead]

Blair is also not a crazy pedo. She's a cow for sure, but she hasn't actively hurt anyone or done anything wrong. At worse she's just another grifter type.

Also, unlike Yaniv, White is not used as a scapegoat to disparage an entire community. Yaniv is a truly legitimate threat to the Transgender community because his actions and behavior is being used to represent Transgenderism as a whole.

 

[SourDiesel]

Also, unlike Yaniv, White is not used as a scapegoat to disparage an entire community. Yaniv is a truly legitimate threat to the Transgender community because his actions and behavior is being used to represent Transgenderism as a whole.

Ok sure but to be fair, the transgender community could use a bit more disparaging in general.

 

[Koresh]

Ok sure but to be fair, the transgender community could use a bit more disparaging in general.

Rate me optimistic, but I wish there was a way to draw a distinction between Transexuals/Transgenders who are very open about it and integrate it as a part of their identity, and regular human beings with Gender Dysphoria who see it as a medical condition and HRT as the same process as taking insulin for diabetes and doesn't get involved in the community or culture. Like openly trans vs stealth trans, I guess is a way to put it. Like seeing a difference between Terry the Fag who sucks dick every night at the local park and John at the office who has a husband, but otherwise is the same as everyone else.

 

[SourDiesel]

Rate me optimistic, but I wish there was a way to draw a distinction between Transexuals/Transgenders who are very open about it and integrate it as a part of their identity, and regular human beings with Gender Dysphoria who see it as a medical condition and HRT as the same process as taking insulin for diabetes and doesn't get involved in the community or culture. Like openly trans vs stealth trans, I guess is a way to put it. Like seeing a difference between Terry the Fag who sucks dick every night at the local park and John at the office who has a husband, but otherwise is the same as everyone else.

Joking aside, I agree. Those that are just normal people trying to live their lives are pretty easy to tell apart for the most part though. The freaks will always let you know they're trans somehow but every normal trans person I've ever met is just trying to fit in and doesn't make a big deal about it. I just wish the fucking laws would make the same distinction. Seriously bring back gatekeeping this shit is way out of control.

 

[dirt lamb]

Rate me optimistic, but I wish there was a way to draw a distinction between Transexuals/Transgenders who are very open about it and integrate it as a part of their identity, and regular human beings with Gender Dysphoria who see it as a medical condition and HRT as the same process as taking insulin for diabetes and doesn't get involved in the community or culture. Like openly trans vs stealth trans, I guess is a way to put it. Like seeing a difference between Terry the Fag who sucks dick every night at the local park and John at the office who has a husband, but otherwise is the same as everyone else.

Rate me autistic, but this confuses me a bit. I feel like you made the distinction just by explaining it. And just to play devil's advocate....a lot of "truscum" are also very open about being trans and are activists for trans rights. The distinction you're looking for isn't a black and white one.

 

[Koresh]

Rate me autistic, but this confuses me a bit. I feel like you made the distinction just by explaining it. And just to play devil's advocate....a lot of "truscum" are also very open about being trans and are activists for trans rights. The distinction you're looking for isn't a black and white one.

No, I didn't explain it very well. My bad.
Truscum/Transmed was only ever a distinction for people who believe you need Gender Dysphoria to be trans. There's some truscum who are obnoxious as fuck about it and some tucutes/whatever-they-are-now that are reasonable.

Spoiler: i'm so bad at explaining vague things im sorry

I was trying to convey more a distinction in a political sense, I guess if that makes more sense. Like I'm not saying that activists are bad, in fact, all people with gender dysphoria should be grateful to the people of the past who've made it so they can transition and live, but in the same way that a black man in America is grateful for the civil rights movement or that a gay man is grateful for Harvey Milk. You can nod and tip your hat at them without running down that path. There's a big difference between a BLM activist and the manager at the local grocery market who happens to be African-American, and that's the difference I'm talking about.

Like looking at people on this very forum, people like Milo Stewart and most of the Rat Kings, their whole identity and life is based around being trans. Even Blaire is kind of guilty of this since her whole platform is based on being trans. It's not necessarily a bad thing. It's just a thing. Then you look at people like Michael D Cohen who transitioned before he became an actor and it wasn't ever a big thing with him, he never advertised it until recently and even recently, it's not as an activist, it's just like someone stating they had asthma as a kid or had dengue fever decades ago. To me at least, it doesn't seem like he puts that much value into being trans, it's just a fact, not an identity.

There's a definite difference and to me, it's not fair to the people like Cohen who don't put value in being trans, who don't see it as anything beyond a fact, to be treated as part of the transculture and to be held accountable for transculture, the pronoun bullshit, the Rat Kings, etc. They're not even involved in it, why should they have to deal with it because they have a medical condition that they can't control? They're trans only in physiology, not culturally.

 

[dirt lamb]

No, I didn't explain it very well. My bad.
Truscum/Transmed was only ever a distinction for people who believe you need Gender Dysphoria to be trans. There's some truscum who are obnoxious as fuck about it and some tucutes/whatever-they-are-now that are reasonable.

Spoiler: i'm so bad at explaining vague things im sorry

I was trying to convey more a distinction in a political sense, I guess if that makes more sense. Like I'm not saying that activists are bad, in fact, all people with gender dysphoria should be grateful to the people of the past who've made it so they can transition and live, but in the same way that a black man in America is grateful for the civil rights movement or that a gay man is grateful for Harvey tard cum. You can nod and tip your hat at them without running down that path. There's a big difference between a BLM activist and the manager at the local grocery market who happens to be African-American, and that's the difference I'm talking about.

Like looking at people on this very forum, people like Milo Stewart and most of the Rat Kings, their whole identity and life is based around being trans. Even Blaire is kind of guilty of this since her whole platform is based on being trans. It's not necessarily a bad thing. It's just a thing. Then you look at people like Michael D Cohen who transitioned before he became an actor and it wasn't ever a big thing with him, he never advertised it until recently and even recently, it's not as an activist, it's just like someone stating they had asthma as a kid or had dengue fever decades ago. To me at least, it doesn't seem like he puts that much value into being trans, it's just a fact, not an identity.

There's a definite difference and to me, it's not fair to the people like Cohen who don't put value in being trans, who don't see it as anything beyond a fact, to be treated as part of the transculture and to be held accountable for transculture, the pronoun bullshit, the Rat Kings, etc. They're not even involved in it, why should they have to deal with it because they have a medical condition that they can't control? They're trans only in physiology, not culturally.

OK I totally get it now and have to fully back everything you said. I didn't catch on to the political connotation but I do agree that the crazy far left trannies are doing a major disservice to not just the rest of the "regular" trans community but also to the entire party they so vehemently fight for. The Dems would be a whole lot better without the army of "victims".....not wonderful, but better. I think your analogy with BLM/regular joe here is a great one. I just watched a horrifying (despite how short it is) video of a Democratic Socialists of America meeting that fits your comment beautifully.

 

[Archeosaur A. Dromaeosaur]

Watching the stream, it’s very apparent that Blaire White is simply not the best debater. There are so many separate points where she could absolutely nail Yaniv, she could have pressed on how the Private Messages were linked to their private website, she could have brought up Yaniv’s frequent flip-flopping on the subject of “male periods”. But instead she came in with improper research and let Yaniv get away with more bullshit than I thought possible. If Blair had the foresight to write up a basic summary of relevant Canadian Laws the whole stream would have gone differently.

Instead it just meandered about until Yaniv pulled a fucking taser out of their ass. Actually I change my mind, this might be the best version of events.

 

[FitBitch]

When they started talking about him being in women's restrooms and he denied the idea that he made people uncomfortable, it reminded me of an encounter I had once on vacation.

Years ago at Tybee Island, I walked into the women's bathroom on the pier. The stall directly in front of the entrance was wide open and a very obese, hairy man was sleeping on the toilet with his pants around his ankles (stay classy Georgia) his belly obscured a view of his penis but there he was for all to see.

I went into a stall and did my business and as I was washing my hands he stumbled out looking very confused and obviously drunk, this was roughly 1 in the afternoon. Besides the initial shock of the encounter nothing about it was unsettling. He was just a harmless drunk guy. (I may have very low standards for public behavior but I live in the Midwest and vacation in Georgia so...)

If I saw Jonny boy in his party city wig standing in the middle of the women's bathroom I would turn around and walk out. There's just something that off about him.

 

[2nd_time_user]

When they started talking about him being in women's restrooms and he denied the idea that he made people uncomfortable, it reminded me of an encounter I had once on vacation.

Years ago at Tybee Island, I walked into the women's bathroom on the pier. The stall directly in front of the entrance was wide open and a very obese, hairy man was sleeping on the toilet with his pants around his ankles (stay classy Georgia) his belly obscured a view of his penis but there he was for all to see.

I went into a stall and did my business and as I was washing my hands he stumbled out looking very confused and obviously drunk, this was roughly 1 in the afternoon. Besides the initial shock of the encounter nothing about it was unsettling. He was just a harmless drunk guy. (I may have very low standards for public behavior but I live in the Midwest and vacation in Georgia so...)

If I saw Jonny boy in his party city wig standing in the middle of the women's bathroom I would turn around and walk out. There's just something that off about him.

If I saw Jon in there I'd use the men's myself. And explain to them exactly why.

 

[Nutty Spunk Gibbon]

Blaire went on Rose of Dawn (another right-wing transgender youtuber)'s channel and talked about the debate. Some interesting stuff about her thought process during the debate, some salt from every participating party, and Rose of Dawn has some decent observations.

My favourite part in the livestream is where Rose brings up that she's starting to think autogynephilia might be real and how almost of the creepy tranners are middle aged transbians, but then they quickly self censor and say they don't want to get into it.

Interesting that even prominent trutrans won't poke the AGP shitpile for fear of invoking transbian rage.

 

[Fritos]

Looking at all the times again, I think Jessie's claim the cops arrived 3 minutes after the broadcast is (almost certainly) bullshit.

The stream started just after 2pm PST. The stun gun came out at 59:30, so 3pm. The whole stream is 1:10:24, so Yaniv is claiming the cops were there around 3:15pm, 15 minutes after the stun gun was produced. If the cops turned up at 3:15pm, it wasn't because of what happened on the stream - there isn't enough time for that. It is possible that the raid might not have been related to the events on the stream, so could have happened at 3:15pm, but there's no evidence for that.

WGKitty said upthread that they were told the cops arrived around 4pm. That's a more reasonable (if still short) timeframe.



https://kiwifarms.net/threads/yaniv-raided-arrested-by-rcmp.59333/page-3#post-5124788

I wish the stream continued longer so we could have seen a live raid

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

But I'm not an expert in tranny medicine, and God knows what goes on in Jon's fat head. I don't understand the fetish aspect of it for these dudes. So many of them take hormones for their "feminizing" side effects, but at the same time seem to be filthy perverts.

That reminds me of an interesting objection to chemical castration, which is that reducing testosterone might not reduce the chance of reoffending.

I.e. Blaire's comment that 'I'm glad you're taking estrogen because it will stop you offending' might be overly optimistic.

Apparently they use antiandrogens for chemical castration. Which explains why he's taking estrogen to give him titties but avoiding a drug that would reduce his testosterone and kill his libido.

Totally a true & honest woman and not an autogynephile at ALL.

Hmm. So taking estrogen doesn't lead to lower testosterone - you need antiandrogens for that.

 

[Sevenatenine]

If I saw Jon in there I'd use the men's myself. And explain to them exactly why.

Yep. Except previous experience using the men's says that if you follow male behavioural codes, you don't make eye contact or speak, you head to a stall, and no one says a damn thing.

My favourite part in the livestream is where Rose brings up that she's starting to think autogynephilia might be real and how almost of the creepy tranners are middle aged transbians, but then they quickly self censor and say they don't want to get into it.

Interesting that even prominent trutrans won't poke the AGP shitpile for fear of invoking transbian rage.

Rose is a sweet person (in video at least, ETA i only "know" her through her YouTube videos) and someone who speaks about the challenges and actual hard work of passing. I get the feeling she is genuinely sensitive to the possibility of causing ham with accusations of AGP. Blaire too, TBH. I think it's not fear of rage, but legitimate care for truly vulnerable dysphoric people.

I think they are right, if my judgment of their motivations is accurate. Transbian ragers don't need protection, but they are unlikely to be swayed by condemnation from within the "community" . Someone with dysphoria, a touch of self loathing and a heavy dose of very confusing social media could be absolutely destroyed by careless attacks about AGP being marked by (some characteristic the dysphoric person can't change.). Likewise, idiot rednecks who beat up trans will take a condemnation by Blaire or Rose as permission. And they won't go after the 6'3" pro aussie rules "girl.". They'll beat the shit out of some poor dysphoric femmy teenager and believe they are doing God's work with permission from real trans.

I think props to both for recognizing their reach and influence and taking care in the message.

 

[Nutty Spunk Gibbon]

Yep. Except previous experience using the men's says that if you follow male behavioural codes, you don't make eye contact or speak, you head to a stall, and no one says a damn thing.


Rose is a sweet person (in video at least, ETA i only "know" her through her YouTube videos) and someone who speaks about the challenges and actual hard work of passing. I get the feeling she is genuinely sensitive to the possibility of causing ham with accusations of AGP. Blaire too, TBH. I think it's not fear of rage, but legitimate care for truly vulnerable dysphoric people.

I think they are right, if my judgment of their motivations is accurate. Transbian ragers don't need protection, but they are unlikely to be swayed by condemnation from within the "community" . Someone with dysphoria, a touch of self loathing and a heavy dose of very confusing social media could be absolutely destroyed by careless attacks about AGP being marked by (some characteristic the dysphoric person can't change.). Likewise, idiot rednecks who beat up trans will take a condemnation by Blaire or Rose as permission. And they won't go after the 6'3" pro aussie rules "girl.". They'll beat the shit out of some poor dysphoric femmy teenager and believe they are doing God's work with permission from real trans.

I think props to both for recognizing their reach and influence and taking care in the message.

I think you're probably right. But I think the LGBT and trans-movement specifically are going to get into a lot of hot water if they keep suppressing the typology and typology research. To the casual observer something is clearly going on and suppressing it is just going to make AGP creeps (I don't even think AGP trans are creeps btw) be the prominent image in people's mind. Contrapoints video on the topic was pure contradictory horseshit and I don't think spouting the "TWAW no debate" thought suppression is going to work for much longer.

I think AGP is going to seep into the mainstream discourse at some point, and I hope when it does that trannies who just want to mind their own business don't get caught in the crossfire.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

My favourite part in the livestream is where Rose brings up that she's starting to think autogynephilia might be real and how almost of the creepy tranners are middle aged transbians, but then they quickly self censor and say they don't want to get into it.

I like Rose's phrase 'open borders on gender'.

I think AGP is going to seep into the mainstream discourse at some point, and I hope when it does that trannies who just want to mind their own business don't get caught in the crossfire.

I think most people can look at someone like Blaire White and see she's telling the truth and look at someone like Yaniv and see he's completely full of shit.

What causes a problem is when the government demands people treat Yaniv in the same way that they'd naturally treat White.

It's like the way there have always been borders between countries and the modern intersectional left's obsession with deconstructing every category forces them to try and tear them down and that leads to severe social, and probably eventually severe political, consequences.

However I still reckon most people, even if they despise the modern left, don't wish harm on people who are obviously harmless.

 

[CharlesBarkley]

What causes a problem is when the government demands people treat Yaniv in the same way that they'd naturally treat White.

Non-passing mtfs are the worst. Man's gotta learn his limits and realize if you are a 7'1 balding brickhouse with a jaw the size of a bowling ball, ya ain't gonna cut it in a dress.