Bob v. Barb Motivations? -

[Scuttle456]

I think there is a pretty clear consensus that Borb were not the greatest parents to CWC. Not to or anything, but the results are pretty clear: .

That being said, I think I have ascertained Borbs motivations, and why each one didnt really measure up to parenting standards:

Bob: I think Bob tried to, and wished Chris to be an upstanding functioning member of society, but due to his age and prejudices, simply did not have the resources or wherewithal to raise a successful autistic child. It was very kind of him in retrospect, that he pushed Chris to go to college, to learn about the world and otherwise try to "make something of himself". While perhaps a bad choice, it also was good of him to get him set up with the since it may have allowed Chris to have income, he otherwise could not get, since he could not likely hold down a job.

Barb: I don't want to be judgmental about her, so Im not going to definitivly say, just what she was thinking in terms of parenting... I think she clearly was (is) the more selfish of the two, since apart from birthday parties and unorthodox speech therapy, she hasn't made a positive, constructive impact in his life.. Perhaps after he was diagnosed with the 'tism, she didn't really see him as a person, more just as a fat cuddly pet that she would pamper for her own gratification, but otherwise not invest too heavily in?

Am I right? Barb and her neglect is by far the more puzzling mystery than anything of Bob's..

 

[lynx]

just what this forum needs, more speculation threads.

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

In other words, Bob and Barb are bad parents.

At least, that's what I could make of it.

 

[Scuttle456]

Well that is true enough I guess

 

[Tubular Monkey]

You know the scariest thing? Catparty hasn't found this thread yet. Godbear help you.

 

[MrTroll]

To turn Chris into a morbidly obese diabetic by age 35.

 

[GFYS]

I can't entirely fault Bob for not giving 110% (or even 20%) into raising Chris, since he was retirement age when Barb gave birth to failure incarnate. Given to supposition that Chris was a squealing whine-machine, and Barb was a hoarding enabler who is willing to feign suicidal tendencies to get her way, I can relate to Bob being worn out and tired. I know what it's like to feel so weary that you just want to find a quiet place to lie down and die - fudge everyone else. It's not the most noble direction, but it's understandable, and I can see that in someone as old and storied as Robert Chandler.

Barb wanted a dumb helpless puppy she could pamper, in her twilight years. She got her wish. Too bad she didn't housebreak Christian , or get him neutered.

 

[Coldgrip]

In other words, Bob and Barb are bad parents.

At least, that's what I could make of it.

^This. Both of them had their faults and while Bob was marginally a bit better, was still as flawed as Barb and is still partially responsible for OPL turning out the way he did.

 

[c-no]

I can't entirely fault Bob for not giving 110% (or even 20%) into raising Chris, since he was retirement age when Barb gave birth to failure incarnate. Given to supposition that Chris was a squealing whine-machine, and Barb was a hoarding enabler who is willing to feign suicidal tendencies to get her way, I can relate to Bob being worn out and tired. I know what it's like to feel so weary that you just want to find a quiet place to lie down and die - fudge everyone else. It's not the most noble direction, but it's understandable, and I can see that in someone as old and storied as Robert Chandler.

Barb wanted a dumb helpless puppy she could pamper, in her twilight years. She got her wish. Too bad she didn't housebreak Christian , or get him neutered.

Yeah, Bob was an in fifties when Chris was born. Barb had pretty much coddled her son and today, according to some, keeps Chris on a leash, keeping her son within the home and only letting him out when she lets him.

 

[Zim]

Initially I think they didn't have any particular motivation with Chris except maybe the automatic attention you get when you have a new baby. After they found out he was touched-in-the-head was probably the event that sort of made them shitty parents.

No one wants to have a "special" kid. Everyone wants to have a kid who's normal. However since Borb ended up drawing the short bent straw they ended up with a kid that was learning impared and that motivated them to use him as leverage in life.

Even though I think Bob tried more with Chris they both enjoyed how people percieved them in public and this motivated them to play the "pity us because our child is a dum-dum" card. However after Chris grew up into the autstanding person he is today Barb became worse and Bob just sort of ignored him I think.

On a side note (and I know I've said this before) you really have to question parents who would let their jobless, live at home, adult kid scream and rant at people on the internet for years.

 

[CatParty]

I can't entirely fault Bob for not giving 110% (or even 20%) into raising Chris, since he was retirement age when Barb gave birth to failure incarnate. Given to supposition that Chris was a squealing whine-machine, and Barb was a hoarding enabler who is willing to feign suicidal tendencies to get her way, I can relate to Bob being worn out and tired. I know what it's like to feel so weary that you just want to find a quiet place to lie down and die - fudge everyone else. It's not the most noble direction, but it's understandable, and I can see that in someone as old and storied as Robert Chandler.

Barb wanted a dumb helpless puppy she could pamper, in her twilight years. She got her wish. Too bad she didn't housebreak Christian , or get him neutered.

She does have him pretty much neutered. Chris has no balls whatsoever.

 

[Descent]

I can't entirely fault Bob for not giving 110% (or even 20%) into raising Chris, since he was retirement age when Barb gave birth to failure incarnate. Given to supposition that Chris was a squealing whine-machine, and Barb was a hoarding enabler who is willing to feign suicidal tendencies to get her way, I can relate to Bob being worn out and tired. I know what it's like to feel so weary that you just want to find a quiet place to lie down and die - fudge everyone else. It's not the most noble direction, but it's understandable, and I can see that in someone as old and storied as Robert Chandler.

No freaking kidding:

When you think about it, that's a pretty depressing photo.

 

[timtommy]

No freaking kidding:
http://sonichu.com/w/images/8/86/0011-C ... obXmas.jpg
When you think about it, that's a pretty depressing photo.

Damn it, I had that exact same toy when I was that age.

(I mean Chris' age not Bob's)

 

[milkshark]

Yes, I think it's fair to say that Bob and Barb had totally different motivations when it came to raising Chris. In my eyes, Bob was a better parent overall because he was more invested in Chris' personal well being. I think Chris learned how to be an egotistical lump of waste from mother dearest. Let's delve deeper, shall we?

Bob

The good: Bob pushed Chris to become a functioning adult, despite lots of resistance. It seemed as though Bob knew Chris was disabled and helpless in his completed adult state, and he went into action to get Chris an income to live on. Moving Chris out of the hoard for his high school years was probably a highlight of Chris' life.

The bad: Bob's racism and homophobia permeated Chris' subconcious and made social interactions with people his own age incredibly awkward. Chris' overtly feminine tendencies could be physiological, but I think a lot of it was reinforced by a most likely absent father figure during the crucial formative years. From pictures it appears Chris was predominantly raised by Barb, receiving little male attention in his home life for many years.

Barb

The good: Barb has been Chris' only true friend throughout life, indulging in his personal compulsions. She made attempts to modify Chris' behavior with a rewards system rather than by abuse and derision. To this day I don't think Chris trusts anyone on the planet as much as mommy.

The bad: Most of the steaming pile that Chris is today is the fault of Barb, because he has patterned a lot of himself after how his mom has behaved throughout his life. Barb's paranoia, ignorance, compulsiveness, and rudeness are all clearly visible in Chris' attempts at human interaction. The hoarding has had a profoundly damaging effect on his mental and physical health, not to mention inability to live in a clean, organized space.Barb also had little to no plans for what Chris could do in his adult life, and one could argue that she may have manipulated him into being a Peter Pan son/companion for her to command until her dying day.

 

[NobleGreyHorse]

The bad: Bob's racism and homophobia permeated Chris' subconcious and made social interactions with people his own age incredibly awkward. Chris' overtly feminine tendencies could be physiological, but I think a lot of it was reinforced by a most likely absent father figure during the crucial formative years. From pictures it appears Chris was predominantly raised by Barb, receiving little male attention in his home life for many years.

Wait, so you're saying that his wide hips, man-tits, MLP collection before it was cool, and riding his sex doll in a female-style position all stem from Bob's neglect? That's a little far even for Freud.

 

[Fuzzy Wuzzy]

Can I say that both of their motivations was to make sure Chris could not go homeless and made sure that he was "safe" by putting him on the due to his autism?

 

[milkshark]

Wait, so you're saying that his wide hips, man-tits, MLP collection before it was cool, and riding his sex doll in a female-style position all stem from Bob's neglect? That's a little far even for Freud.

No, just saying that Bob's neglect played a part in his development. Most little boys, and some little girls, get to play catch or learn to throw a football from their father and it gives them a skill they can be confident about. It didn't look like Bob did much of that with his male child. Chris has been prescribed a lot of medication in his life, and I'd wager that's why he grew tits. The type of stuff he's taken is known for causing Gynecomastia.

 

[Fuzzy Wuzzy]

Wait, so you're saying that his wide hips, man-tits, MLP collection before it was cool, and riding his sex doll in a female-style position all stem from Bob's neglect? That's a little far even for Freud.

No, just saying that Bob's neglect played a part in his development. Most little boys, and some little girls, get to play catch or learn to throw a football from their father and it gives them a skill they can be confident about. It didn't look like Bob did much of that with his male child. Chris has been prescribed a lot of medication in his life, and I'd wager that's why he grew tits. The type of stuff he's taken is known for causing Gynecomastia.

Could the medicine that he's been taking cause some kind of hormone imbalance where his body starts producing estrogen?

 

[fuzzypickles]

Wait, so you're saying that his wide hips, man-tits, MLP collection before it was cool, and riding his sex doll in a female-style position all stem from Bob's neglect? That's a little far even for Freud.

No, just saying that Bob's neglect played a part in his development. Most little boys, and some little girls, get to play catch or learn to throw a football from their father and it gives them a skill they can be confident about. It didn't look like Bob did much of that with his male child. Chris has been prescribed a lot of medication in his life, and I'd wager that's why he grew tits. The type of stuff he's taken is known for causing Gynecomastia.

Could the medicine that he's been taking cause some kind of hormone imbalance where his body starts producing estrogen?

I'm betting that his mantits have partly to do with medication, the other part being his diet.

 

[NobleGreyHorse]

Okay, I'll buy that theory (not for $1k in cash, though) -- it's as good or bad as any other. But WHICH medications? Are you talking about the Paxil and later generic paroxetine, or the Lipitor, or some other drug I don't know about? (God, it would be hilarious if it were caused by Extenze.)