Bodega Salt - Neolibs from google try to change Bodegas into vending machines

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This.

Anywhere I've lived where the main way to shop within walking distance is these little stores (and where I have generally shopped at at least one or two of them every single day) is a pretty rough area and all of the owners are armed, sometimes heavily armed. You do not fuck with these guys.

A glorified vending machine, especially one full of all kinds of electronics, is not going to last a night. They're not only going to bust it open and steal everything in it, they're going to rip it down for parts and steal those, too, then wreck the rest because fuck these things.

Also there's just always going to be a market for somewhere you can walk in drunk at 3 in the morning and get a hot sandwich. Some shitty vending machine isn't going to replace that.

This isn't quite as bad as Juicero in terms of pure stupidity, but portraying it as anything original or innovative is bullshit. It's a fucking vending machine. Big deal.

The stupid part is these tone-deaf idiots literally advertised it as destroying jobs. It's not like the twitter loons invented that.

Yeah, this. I just have to laugh at hilariously out of touch these people are. Bodegas are actually the replacement for grocery stores in poorer urban areas, because not many people have cars and public transport isn't really all that great (excepting NYC). And as others have said, things in Bodegas sell quickly. And you don't have guys with shotguns and pistols willing to blast your face off to protect the machine. It also looks like its stocked with expensive shit, which is pretty much the polar opposite of a bodega (though sometimes things are more expensive than a normal grocery store, so it depends).

I wouldn't worry about this thing replacing jobs, because this is only going in rich, white neighborhoods where bodegas don't even exist. Or on tech company 'campuses'.
 

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What makes this different from Japan's multitude of vending machines? Or any vending machine? How is this supposedly innovative?

Edit:It supposedly has cameras that watch what you take and automatically charge you. There's obviously no way that could possibly be circumvented.
Japan's actually serve a niche when you remember just how dense their urban centers are. This is just tone deaf, poorly thought out faggotry.
 

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Japan's actually serve a niche when you remember just how dense their urban centers are. This is just tone deaf, poorly thought out faggotry.

Japan, especially Tokyo, also has another advantage as far as things like this go. The city is active 24/7 and secure, with very little street crime.

The only places in the U.S. where you could safely have things like this would be places that already have 24/7 security, or at least security when they're open, like airports, indoor office complexes with hotels in them, institutions like hospitals or universities, etc. Hiring security just for one of these things would make no sense. Because why not just have an actual store at that point?
 

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What makes this different from Japan's multitude of vending machines? Or any vending machine? How is this supposedly innovative?

Edit:It supposedly has cameras that watch what you take and automatically charge you. There's obviously no way that could possibly be circumvented.

I grew up in one of those "lower" neighborhoods. The kind with a lot of bodegas. And all of our outdoor vending machines were taken out or put indoors eventually. The last few had to be chained up to prevent them from being stolen or broken into. You couldn't just have them sitting outside. Even the gumball machines were taken in. Even the can bank was vandalized so much for change and soda cans that they had to rip it out. People were afraid to go near it because they didn't want to be robbed. So much for recycling and getting a little change back for your efforts.*sigh*

I guarantee that putting these automated stores in certain bodega rich neighborhoods is going to be a disaster. Forget the cameras. They'll go at night with baseball bats and bandannas over their faces. Some will be bold enough to do it in the daytime. The bodegas themselves get knocked over all the time. There are places where the 7-11 employees are scared to death. So Mohammad and Jose's little neighborhood shops aren't doing much better in that department. You're just removing the possibility of them being murdered. If the automated stores have cigarettes and alcohol that ups the risk exponentially. Although given that they might not be able to prevent kids from buying that stuff as easily as a manned store that may not be an issue.

Then you've got the homeless. They may sit outside of the store and beg people. They may try to break into it too. The fact that it's not manned would be attractive because no one can call the cops. never mind the cameras and alarm. Just having it unmanned makes people see it as an easy target.

If this happens I'm looking forward to the first reports of one being completely vandalized and the locals being terrified of going near it. Then it gets shut down and that's the end of it. You'd need a guard 24/7 which defeats the purpose of it being unmanned. You can't even have unsupervised self checkouts in most stores. Because people will "accidentally" forget to scan items.

This might work in some fancy neighborhood with very low crime. But in areas that have a lot of bodegas you're just asking for it to become a robbery target that will eventually scare off customers. If they can't break the glass and get inside they'll skulk around and wait for someone to come there to shop and just rob them. No different than the ATMs really.
 

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I grew up in one of those "lower" neighborhoods. The kind with a lot of bodegas. And all of our outdoor vending machines were taken out or put indoors eventually. The last few had to be chained up to prevent them from being stolen or broken into. You couldn't just have them sitting outside. Even the gumball machines were taken in. Even the can bank was vandalized so much for change and soda cans that they had to rip it out. People were afraid to go near it because they didn't want to be robbed. So much for recycling and getting a little change back for your efforts.*sigh*

I guarantee that putting these automated stores in certain bodega rich neighborhoods is going to be a disaster. Forget the cameras. They'll go at night with baseball bats and bandannas over their faces. Some will be bold enough to do it in the daytime. The bodegas themselves get knocked over all the time. There are places where the 7-11 employees are scared to death. So Mohammad and Jose's little neighborhood shops aren't doing much better in that department. You're just removing the possibility of them being murdered. If the automated stores have cigarettes and alcohol that ups the risk exponentially. Although given that they might not be able to prevent kids from buying that stuff as easily as a manned store that may not be an issue.

Then you've got the homeless. They may sit outside of the store and beg people. They may try to break into it too. The fact that it's not manned would be attractive because no one can call the cops. never mind the cameras and alarm. Just having it unmanned makes people see it as an easy target.

If this happens I'm looking forward to the first reports of one being completely vandalized and the locals being terrified of going near it. Then it gets shut down and that's the end of it. You'd need a guard 24/7 which defeats the purpose of it being unmanned. You can't even have unsupervised self checkouts in most stores. Because people will "accidentally" forget to scan items.

This might work in some fancy neighborhood with very low crime. But in areas that have a lot of bodegas you're just asking for it to become a robbery target that will eventually scare off customers. If they can't break the glass and get inside they'll skulk around and wait for someone to come there to shop and just rob them. No different than the ATMs really.
Apparently the idea is for them to be installed in places like gyms, dorms, or upperclass apartment highrises. Which at least slightly lowers the chance of them being looted, it still doesn't explain how it's anymore innovative than a standard vending machine.
 

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Weird that this concept restaurant, already up and running, doesn't seem to have people sperging out the way this automated bodega idea does. There are people involved, but only a few, and it is very likely there will be fewer needed in the future. The article itself is a vomit piece of faggotry and whining, unfortunately, but it still gives a sense of the return of the automat.

I've never eaten there, obviously.

Why This Robot Restaurant Should Terrify You

(link is an archive, due to Forbes's anti-adblocking.)


Eve Turow Paul
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I write about Millennials and food culture. Many in this young generation battle a creeping sense of nugatory existence by connecting over a meal—whether it’s by cooking for family, dining out with friends, or chatting with others online about gluten-free recipes.
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Welcome Eatsa screen. (Photo by Eve Turow Paul)

“I think I invested in the wrong restaurant model,” a friend said to me last year. “I chose a business that’s all about community, and now everyone just wants delivery. Heck, there’s a new robot restaurant in San Francisco.” The robot restaurant in reference is called Eatsa. Founded by software and brand gurus Scott Drummond and Tim Young, with the support of ex-Google and ex-Climate exec, David Friedberg, Eatsa boasts four California locations, with a Washington D.C. storefront soon to come.

Eatsa is a highly-automated fast-food chain. Travis Jones, head of Eatsa culinary operations, has hinted that each location only requires three cooks (not robots...yet) who, behind closed doors, compile made-to-order, vegetarian quinoa bowls. Out in the open, one or two tablet-clutching “red shirts”—think: Apple Geniuses—float among customers to answer questions. Eatsa has swapped servers, cashiers, and busboys for computer kiosks, LED-lit cubbies, and bright screens. This allows the chain to produce food quickly (each order usually takes 90 seconds to three minutes to fill) and cheaply, with meals beginning at just $6.95.

As a Millennial consultant (and a Millennial myself) I spend a great deal of time talking to companies about the importance of community. Youth are lonelier than ever before and often attempt to facilitate connection whenever and wherever we can. Sometimes, we do with this great success (see: Meetup.com, veganism and Crossfit). Other times, we usurp our own goals with technology. As MIT professor Sherry Turkle writes:





“We are tempted to think that our little ‘sips’ of online connection add up to a big gulp of real conversation. But they don’t. E-mail, Twitter, Facebook, all of these have their places — in politics, commerce, romance and friendship. But no matter how valuable, they do not substitute for conversation.”

Columnist Stephen Marche puts it another way:


“Yet within this world of instant and absolute communication, unbounded by limits of time or space, we suffer from unprecedented alienation. We have never been more detached from one another, or lonelier. In a world consumed by ever more novel modes of socializing, we have less and less actual society.”

Numerous studies now show the links between technology and increasing rates of loneliness, depression, and anxiety. Many in this young generation battle a creeping sense of nugatory existence by connecting over a meal—whether it’s by cooking for family, dining out with friends, or chatting with others online about gluten-free recipes. My research clearly shows these human-facing moments and deeper instances of interaction help soothe this digitally-connected generation. We learn about chefs by reading memoirs or watching Top Chef, meet our farmers through CSAs and farm markets, and obsess over craft, artisanal beers all in an effort to involve ourselves in something real. Eatsa, it seemed to me and my friend, is the antithesis. What does it mean in terms of emotional connection if we all start grabbing our meals out of glorified vending machines instead of from another person’s hands? Is Eatsa the next example of technology disrupting human connection?




This week I found myself in San Francisco, blocks from the flagship Eatsa location. Reluctantly and inquisitively I stopped by for lunch. The sterile, white and red store was bustling with hungry San Franciscans eager to grab their grub and head back to the office.

I began my Eatsa interaction by swiping my credit card at one of the several airport-like kiosks that fanned the walls. I chose between a menu of curry spiced, Mediterranean, and “fiesta” themed quinoa bowls, and was able to “x” out ingredients I didn’t want and add in things I did. I ordered a “No Worry Curry” bowl with stir-fried quinoa, arugula, spaghetti squash, pickled onions, and apple-cabbage slaw, swapping in roasted yams for white potatoes (which also meant ponying up an extra 75 cents) and curried parsnip strips for wonton strips.

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Eatsa cubbies (Photo by Eve Turow Paul)

After placing the order, I shuffled to the other side of the room to find my name on a list of all others waiting for their mid-day eats. White cubbies were stacked like Tetris and when filled, projected the name of the appropriate customer. When my turn came around, I double tapped the window as instructed and the screen lifted, allowing me to grab my food. No more than five minutes after walking through the door, it was time to eat.

But the craziest thing about my Eatsa experience was this: I loved it.

While I was slightly weirded out when the cubbies went opaque to hide the fact that real people (gasp!) were behind-the-scenes filling the boxes, in the end, I received a bowl of wholesome, delicious food for $7.84 in minutes. I couldn’t help thinking that if I worked in the area, I would likely visit Eatsa often.

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No Worry Curry bowl. (Photo by Eve Turow Paul)

I am the author of A Taste of Generation Yum. Follow me on Twitter @EveTurowPaul or Facebook. Buy the e-book on Amazon or in print from McNally Jackson.
 

neverendingmidi

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Weird that this concept restaurant, already up and running, doesn't seem to have people sperging out the way this automated bodega idea does. There are people involved, but only a few, and it is very likely there will be fewer needed in the future. The article itself is a vomit piece of faggotry and whining, unfortunately, but it still gives a sense of the return of the automat.

I've never eaten there, obviously.

Why This Robot Restaurant Should Terrify You

(link is an archive, due to Forbes's anti-adblocking.)

I thought the idea of an automat was the food was already in the cubbies, you just paid and took it, and then the cooks in the back replaced it. This seems more like a Chipotle, or Bibibop, except you can't see the workers cooking and assembling your bowl of whatever. And you order on a tablet. Are robots actually assembling the bowls? Because the description seems more like one of the "perpetual motion machines" from the late 1800's where there was a midget in a box actually causing said machine to work. If you can't see it, it must be magic!

Edit: and if it is assembled by "robots" why not show that? I mean even at fairs they show that little mini donut machine working because it draws attention. Hell, Krispy-Creme Donuts does the same thing. I can only imagine watching a Rube-Goldberg device putting together the bowl would be a hit as well. Unless there are no robots involved.
 
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Weird that this concept restaurant, already up and running, doesn't seem to have people sperging out the way this automated bodega idea does. There are people involved, but only a few, and it is very likely there will be fewer needed in the future. The article itself is a vomit piece of faggotry and whining, unfortunately, but it still gives a sense of the return of the automat.

Subject of one of my favorite Hopper paintings.

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Supposedly about the alienation of modern society or some shit. Somehow, it made me nostalgic for these things that more or less ceased to exist before I was even born.
 

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Can't wait for someone to hack one of these and get free stuff. It's easier to do that with this than a vending machine.
 

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Weird that this concept restaurant, already up and running, doesn't seem to have people sperging out the way this automated bodega idea does. There are people involved, but only a few, and it is very likely there will be fewer needed in the future. The article itself is a vomit piece of faggotry and whining, unfortunately, but it still gives a sense of the return of the automat.

I've never eaten there, obviously.

Why This Robot Restaurant Should Terrify You

(link is an archive, due to Forbes's anti-adblocking.)

Two reasons people aren't sperging out. These tend to shut down after a year or two for being unpopular after the novelty of a first time visit, i mean look at the failure of the relaunch of the automat. Two: due to the demands of liberals for 15 dollar mininum wage this type of restaurant being pitched is considered karma because it is the perfect reaction to what would happen en masse if 15 dollar mininum wage took off nation wide.

15 dollar mininum wage would cause most mininum wage jobs to disapear because spending 300k for a major corp for each robot at each location would be cheaper in the long run then having human dishwashers and waiters for instance.
 

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Wow, I wish I had a snack store nearby that was open 24/7...

Also, once again i find it funny how it's always brave rich white 20 year olds to the rescue of poor, uneducated brown folks who can barely speak or manage a phone (In their minds). It's always back to white savior and being a stereotype to these people, right?
 
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