Disaster Boeing Charges $800k-$2 Mil For 'Optional' Safety Light That Could've Prevented Crashes - Give Us More Shekels or Fuck Off And Die In Our Plane.

Qi Meng Dealer

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The airlines shouldn't have cheaped out and bought the sensor, huh. Especially if they were going to use inexperienced pilots.

Wasn't it the last crash where they corrected it then engaged the autopilot again?
Aside from what others have said that if it's a safety feature, it should come standard, we still don't know yet if Boeing actually included these optional features when they were marketing the Max 8's or if some engineer at Boeing noticed the problem with just having one sensor after deliveries of the jets have started and Boeing brass decided they'd just sell them as an "optional" feature instead of doing an expensive (for shareholders) recall.
 

ColtWalker1847

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Aside from what others have said that if it's a safety feature, it should come standard, we still don't know yet if Boeing actually included these optional features when they were marketing the Max 8's or if some engineer at Boeing noticed the problem with just having one sensor after deliveries of the jets have started and Boeing brass decided they'd just sell them as an "optional" feature instead of doing an expensive (for shareholders) recall.
They had more than one sensor. The pilot. Type certification is supposed to address things like this.

There is also the issue of redundant sensors giving conflicting information. Which one to believe? Well, that's on the pilot and their experience/training. If you want to standardize it across your fleet then an airline might want to opt out of the feature.

It's not as simple as Boeing omitting a "don't crash" button like some would have you believe.
 

1Tonka_Truck

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if the pilot manually turns off the system to stop the plane from kamakazing Boeing planned for this and programmed the system to automatically turn back on, overriding the pilot to ensure everyone dies.
The MCAS system does not turn off with the autopilot. To make the plane stop trying to nose down the pilots have to turn off the power to the primary and secondary electric trim motors and use the hand trim wheels to trim the plane back to a stable attitude.
 

not william stenchever

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Making this package of a second sensor and and a "the autopilot is trying to kill you, bro" light optional is a fucking disgrace. The FAA should have told them to make that shit standard and by allowing Boeing to slide they caused hundreds of deaths. I would be happy to see heads literally roll for this, but people seem to disagree with me on the idea of very gruesome and very public executions for fuckups of this scale.
 

Rei is shit

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Making this package of a second sensor and and a "the autopilot is trying to kill you, bro" light optional is a fucking disgrace. The FAA should have told them to make that shit standard and by allowing Boeing to slide they caused hundreds of deaths. I would be happy to see heads literally roll for this, but people seem to disagree with me on the idea of very gruesome and very public executions for fuckups of this scale.
The aircraft had a doubly redundant AoA system. There was not a second optional sensor.

The pilots failed to follow the procedure for turning on the stick pusher and a secondary indication light wouldn't have changed that.
 

JosephTX

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The aircraft had a doubly redundant AoA system. There was not a second optional sensor.

The pilots failed to follow the procedure for turning on the stick pusher and a secondary indication light wouldn't have changed that.
The first set of pilots had no idea because Boeing never even disclosed the existance of the system to pilots until after the first crash thus corrective measures were impossible.

As for the second crash, according to the investigation so far they took proper corrective measures and correctly turned the system off to take back control but according to the flight recorder the system turned back on.
 
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