Born in the wrong century -

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

Do any of you ever feel like you relate better to people from the past than people now?

I don't mean in the faggy sense of liking 1980s movies, so you think you should have been an '80s kid. I mean in the sense that there's something deeply off about the attitudes, values, of modern people and you feel like there's something more real and human about people of the distant past: pioneers, peasants, barbarians, etc.

This comes up especially when I think about how people used to value concepts like "kin" (in the sense of both their tribe/nation and their family) and honor, and how they seemed to have higher standards for how they did things. You'd be hard-pressed to find a Civil War-era person who wasn't notably more literate (despite less education) than the modern man, and who wore anything less than a full suit to public functions.

It sometimes feels like this life is some weird dream and history gives brief glimpses at what reality is supposed to be.

 

[Marissa Moira]

I'm autistic I don't relate to anyone

I just want my sex robot but they're 500 years away from being invented.

So I relate to people in the future who will eventually invent time travel and also be the people of the past.

 

[UY 690]

Reminds me of my life. I feel like I too am born in the wrong era when it comes to talking to my family. Feels like I'm stuck in 1649 and not 2019. Another thing is that I feel like I'm from the far future where things are less madling and more simplest of things. I have been seeing that a lot online lately. Not sure if it has anything to do with theories like we are born in the wrong timeline because we died in our old timeline theory. But it could mean something.

 

[Lemmingwise]

Yes, we have lost our identity.

It's easy to get lost in either melancholy or nostalgia, perhaps particularly to something you didn't experience. I have to say, I don't envy people that were fed drunk and then gangpressed into navy service for example.

In some sense there's the Jungian idea of idealized archetypes, as you can sense the ways in which your nature is compatible with your environment, though that has to be in some sense a universal. I can't imagine anyone ever being born a round peg into a round hole.

But even taking those things into consideration, I think we have lost our identity, who we are. German leaders waving german flag get shamed for it by Merkel. Statues and buildings get destroyed for perceived slights against political correctness. People use steroids and implants because they value appearance over health. We steal money from the future by going further and further into debt. We steal money from the future by putting students into debt. Any type of kinship consciousness is beat out of you. Ever more spurious inventions and interpretations are made about the supposed crimes of your ancestors.

 

[Babyspackle]

You think every person in the 1860s owned a full tailored suit? I'm sure you imagine they had 12 - 20 full sets of clothes like you do now, just all hand made to last and better than yours. Violent crime not at levels completely horrifiying by todays standards. Life suure must have been worth alot more than it is today right?

Rose colored glasses bud.

 

[I Love Beef]

I feel like I've missed out on somethings, but at the same time, "be careful what you wish for". Just because you feel you'd be better in another time period doesn't answer the question of "will you be okay dealing with the shit that exists in that time period".

That said, there are things I wished I would have done years ago, but at the same time, and as you come to realize if you look hard enough, you'll see that world was most likely not ready for you to do those things at that time.

Into the present, if you are alive now and are a human, if you wish to shape the world, you must be a man and shape your own corner of it. I can see opportunity as it is. Everyone is so damn pacified and thin skinned, as well as too self aware to the point of cynicism, you can walk over them and they'd say "thank you" or "I don't mind." I know what I want out of it. Don't stop being hungry.

 

[BW 182]

If I was born in another century, there's a high chance my nigger ass is getting lynched, enslaved, or shot.

That being said, I'd love to travel times and see what is true or false about the story of various deities and random religious figures. I'd also like to see what the possible cyberpunk dystopia/utopia looks like in the future. There were faggots previously, are currently, and will be in the future, but being able to fact check would be cool.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

You think every person in the 1860s owned a full tailored suit? I'm sure you imagine they had 12 - 20 full sets of clothes like you do now, just all hand made to last and better than yours. Violent crime not at levels completely horrifiying by todays standards. Life suure must have been worth alot more than it is today right?

Rose colored glasses bud.

Not what I was arguing bub. Try reading the post again, retard.

I feel like I've missed out on somethings, but at the same time, "be careful what you wish for". Just because you feel you'd be better in another time period doesn't answer the question of "will you be okay dealing with the shit that exists in that time period".

That said, there are things I wished I would have done years ago, but at the same time, and as you come to realize if you look hard enough, you'll see that world was most likely not ready for you to do those things at that time.

Into the present, if you are alive now and are a human, if you wish to shape the world, you must be a man and shape your own corner of it. I can see opportunity as it is. Everyone is so damn pacified and thin skinned, as well as too self aware to the point of cynicism, you can walk over them and they'd say "thank you" or "I don't mind." I know what I want out of it. Don't stop being hungry.

I don't want to actually live in the past, the past was shit. What I mean is that I feel like in a lot of ways, people from the past seemed more human.

 

[Marco Fucko]

You'd be hard-pressed to find a Civil War-era person who wasn't notably more literate (despite less education) than the modern man, and who wore anything less than a full suit to public functions.

Nigs, lol

But seriously, I think OP is overly romanticizing the past. Even within tribal communities there was interpersonal strife and power struggles, I'd wager that's why a lot of that's in the old testament and Greek myths. People talk about family like that means anything but siblings and parents have been fucking each other over for years. The human animal is an opportunistic one, not a moral one.

Now you complicate that by any amount, even mixing two tribes together and it gets amplified. American history is defined by people escaping west or forming immigrant neighborhoods because the civilization that had already formed when they arrived at the new world was not really "for" them. British history is defined by native islanders, French/Norman invaders, and Nordic invaders all fighting each other at various points. Human civilization is built off of conflict, not harmony, even if that is what people strive for.

I can't remember what book, but it was on the industrial revolution in America, and it mentioned that once jobs for women became available in the cities, it didn't take much for them to leave the farm and start working textile mills or whatever it was they were going to be doing. Farm life gets romanticized as this idyllic thing where you work hard and make a fair amount of money, but you're also miles away from people and there isn't much to do other than work. That shit's probably pretty boring.

So I guess the long and short is that I've noticed OP has a consistent behavior of romanticizing the past in some form or another from his other posts and that probably comes out of either incompetence or boredom. I don't blame him, the daily grind can get pretty repetitive.

 

[I Love Beef]

What I mean is that I feel like in a lot of ways, people from the past seemed more human.

That's the other thing too. Because we read up on what the past was like and how people acted back then, it's all just crystallized in time. We tend to not realize how human we act in the present and how events around us tend to shape us. Even back then, people felt the same way you did. In the 1960s and 1970s, parents wished their kids would be more respectful and not dissing "the man" because they grew up in the Great Depression and were all disciplined more in the day to not do bad things. Into the 1990s, everyone was running shitless in the face of a new millenium, be it religious fanatics or parents sending their kids to military boot camp because they don't realize the effects of a 9 to 5 nuclear family lifestyle dynamic.

Not to be mean either, but you should go outside and do things that aren't just lurking on Kiwi Farms. It helps.

 

[White Devil's Advocate]

I think the mid to late 19th century would have been an interesting time to live in. Mainly because there was so much invention and discoveries taking place. I'm not saying it wouldn't have been difficult ( I'm pretty partial to my air conditioning myself) but nothing worthwhile ever is.

As far as social mores and values are concerned, I don't think I would really be able to say I relate to someone from the past anymore than I do someone from the present. Mainly because everyone from the past is dead and can't be present to make their case.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

Not to be mean either, but you should go outside and do things that aren't just lurking on Kiwi Farms. It helps.

I don’t appreciate being patronized by strangers. You don’t know what I do. Today I rode ten miles on my bicycle around town greeting strangers along the way. I went to a movie with friends. I have other hobbies, like doing drone photography. I would wager I probably spend more time outside than most people in general, much less here.

 

[Babyspackle]

I don't want to actually live in the past, the past was shit. What I mean is that I feel like in a lot of ways, people from the past seemed more human.

I think you are wrong about this. Look back just 150-200 years and the ability for people to exploit other people was far more extreme than it is today. People like to believe that people have been wonderful humanists throughout history, far more empathetic than today. That shit's ridiculous, people use to sell their children into slavery.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

Nigs, lol

But seriously, I think OP is overly romanticizing the past. Even within tribal communities there was interpersonal strife and power struggles, I'd wager that's why a lot of that's in the old testament and Greek myths. People talk about family like that means anything but siblings and parents have been fucking each other over for years. The human animal is an opportunistic one, not a moral one.

Now you complicate that by any amount, even mixing two tribes together and it gets amplified. American history is defined by people escaping west or forming immigrant neighborhoods because the civilization that had already formed when they arrived at the new world was not really "for" them. British history is defined by native islanders, French/Norman invaders, and Nordic invaders all fighting each other at various points. Human civilization is built off of conflict, not harmony, even if that is what people strive for.

I can't remember what book, but it was on the industrial revolution in America, and it mentioned that once jobs for women became available in the cities, it didn't take much for them to leave the farm and start working textile mills or whatever it was they were going to be doing. Farm life gets romanticized as this idyllic thing where you work hard and make a fair amount of money, but you're also miles away from people and there isn't much to do other than work. That shit's probably pretty boring.

So I guess the long and short is that I've noticed OP has a consistent behavior of romanticizing the past in some form or another from his other posts and that probably comes out of either incompetence or boredom. I don't blame him, the daily grind can get pretty repetitive.

The power struggle, or just struggle against life in general, is PART of what I find human in people of the past. There was a tribal, adventuring mentality. Most people weren’t soldiers, but societies as a whole had a strong inclination towards expansion and a strong sense of identification with their own kind, however it was they defined that.

Authoritarian power structures are also something that’s not pleasant but which seems natural. I’m more inclined to the absolutist mindset than the constitutional one people have now. That’s what I expect from the world, is viciousness.

I don’t know what you mean by incompetence, unless you’re implying I’m a loser, in which case I have a good path set up to be in one of the highest paying careers, faggot (actuary).

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

I think you are wrong about this. Look back just 150-200 years and the ability for people to exploit other people was far more extreme than it is today. People like to believe that people have been wonderful humanists throughout history, far more empathetic than today. That shit's ridiculous, people use to sell their children into slavery.

Being cruel is as much a part of being human as being kind. Again, you’re not getting it. I’m not saying that the past was better.

 

[Babyspackle]

Being cruel is as much a part of being human as being kind. Again, you’re not getting it. I’m not saying that the past was better.

Again, you are saying that peoples values and morals were better, and I think you are wrong.

 

[Marco Fucko]

The power struggle, or just struggle against life in general, is PART of what I find human in people of the past. There was a tribal, adventuring mentality. Most people weren’t soldiers, but societies as a whole had a strong inclination towards expansion and a strong sense of identification with their own kind, however it was they defined that.

Authoritarian power structures are also something that’s not pleasant but which seems natural. I’m more inclined to the absolutist mindset than the constitutional one people have now. That’s what I expect from the world, is viciousness.

I don’t know what you mean by incompetence, unless you’re implying I’m a loser, in which case I have a good path set up to be in one of the highest paying careers, faggot (actuary).

So you're fine with conflict and viciousness in society and are more just looking at the concept of a familial community? I'd advise hitting up a more mono cultural society/pocket of society then if you haven't already.

I wasn't necessarily trying to call you a loser. People's minds wander when they're in a groove, whether that be productive or not. Since you mentioned you're an actuary/studying to be one that doesn't surprise me, the boredom and nihilism of a white collar job has been a known factor since at least the 30s with Kafka, if not beforehand with the Transcendentalists.

 

[Ghost of Wesley Willis]

It's really easy to be nostalgic the past, but it's also a trap if you envy it too much. It's best to look ahead and make an actual positive change for yourself instead of turning to self loathing because you have no feeling of belonging.

 

[duff101]

Tbh going to the past would be nice exclusively because I get to die sooner.

People love to romanticize the past, but the truth is that most of the time unless you were some sort of ultrapowerful leader you were just some schlub with a farm or small business who got called to fight in all the ultrapowerful people’s wars.

 

[Foltest]

Sometimes yes, but then i realize that I would be a bigger sperg back in those days then today.