Brenton Tarrant posts on 8chan, shoots up Mosque killing 49 muslims in New Zealand, livestreams from GoPro -

Take away the Guns, Censor the Video, Throw people in Jail for Having the Video, or do it all?

  • Just take the guns, it'll work out fine.

    Votes: 55 5.6%
  • Doesn't matter, it's Trump's Fault.

    Votes: 241 24.7%
  • Just ban the video, it's totally doable.

    Votes: 34 3.5%
  • DO EVERYTHING!

    Votes: 187 19.2%
  • Make Null turn us over, that'll make us safe.

    Votes: 457 46.9%

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2nd_time_user

Equitably diffident
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You don't have to have all the indicators - just some.
What this comes down to is that the types of rifles Tarrant had, no one probably needs.
The only argument I've heard from a hunting standpoint is that bumpstocked ARs are good for wild pig as they can charge you while dying.

You still don't need 4-6 of these units.

A 9 is almost always gonna do it for home defense.
 

JosephTX

Joseph Guillaume of Houston, Don't Mess With Texas
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It's absolutely fucking insane that after a guy kills some muslims suddenly freedom of speech is outlawed, you immedately get arrested and face 10 years in prison for simply visiting 4chan and now

AND NOW

ONLY A WEEK LATER

The fucking leader of the country is wearing a hijab, women are being told to wear hijabs and NOW they're going to be broadcasting the god damn motherfucking Shahada on national TV and all Radio stations.


Fuck. This. Country.


 

Duck Hwan

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It's absolutely fucking insane that after a guy kills some muslims suddenly freedom of speech is outlawed, you immedately get arrested and face 10 years in prison for simply visiting 4chan and now

AND NOW

ONLY A WEEK LATER

The fucking leader of the country is wearing a hijab, women are being told to wear hijabs and NOW they're going to be broadcasting the god damn motherfucking Shahada on national TV and all Radio stations.


Fuck. This. Country.


The average Kiwi's brain is fried from syphilis, leftism, and alcohol. What did you expect?
 

AStupidMonkey

srsly, wtf is dis shit?
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It's not illegal to say his name, nor is it illegal to publish his manifesto.
We don't know what's legal until they declare it. The video was declared objectionable/offensive/inciteful or whatever, hence it is illegal. Changing nothing (or very little) from that interpretation, the manifesto at least could become contraband.

In their minds, what is the difference between a video that incites violence and a pamphlet that incites violence?

And, if I may put my broad, flat, wide-brimmed autism cap on: if they can block the websites that lead to the video, why can't they block the name that leads to the websites?
 
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Stormy Daniel's Lawyer

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This attack (which I think was totally wrong) is on its way to being, if it is not already, the most significant terror attack in decades - and even means 9/11.
The reason is that with one fucked up act, this idiot has taken an idea that a few thousand people knew about (The Great Replacement) and many more felt but did not have a name for it - and gave it a name and made it a thing. Shit! You can plan success like that. And by getting the Kiwiland and Ausland governments to lose their minds, and ban the internet, he revealed them to be the anti-democractic, authoritarian asses they are.
Their panicked reaction has ensured this idiots video and manifesto are everywhere. He also revealed by his attack - propaganda of the deed - that the governments of both coutries have absolutely NIL understanding of radicalisation, the issues driving it and so on.
He's also revealed the double standard when it comes to Islamism - and how those governments have caved into the Islamophobia lobby. And how spewtube still have muslim hate speech up. I just found with a simple search a whole lot of Awlaki and anti-kuffar bideos.
In Australia there has been all this TV of tentedup Musliminas raving on about how ANY criticism of Islam is Islamophobia. [https://iview.abc.net.au/show/drum/series/0/video/NC1907H031S00] No one it seems called them out as kuffarphobes.
I personally do not give a flying fuck what people believe - so long as they stay out of my hair and don't startled the horses. And don't start parallel societies that want special privileges. Many Muslims and for that matter Jews don't. But too many of them do - or enlist useful idiots to dismantle the society.
the MSM reporting on this has been unhinged, shrill and delusional. Not to mention uninformed. As for the "think tanks" - the Voice of the government ASPI in Australia has led the charge with asanine analysis. There two examples are cases in point of just how stupid people are - they miss thepoint: https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/d...ge-the-aftermath-of-the-christchurch-attack/; https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/l...ttack-firearms-organised-crime-and-terrorism/,
Sorry, this went on, but i was just subjected to an hour of why this is all the fault of privileged white hetro males. WTF.
First, this attack pales in comparison to others in recent past. The Belsan School Seige killed over 300 people including 186 children at the hands of Chechnya Terrorists. The 2015 Terror Attack killed 130 innocent victims by ISIS terrorists. The Nice Truck Attack killed 86 people including 10 innocent children. My point? This cracker killed 49 Muslims, OK, there are 1.5 billion of them, and Islam is owed a few dead for the carnage it's caused across the globe..So, sorry, not sorry.

The government of New Zealand and Australia's response to this attack is not one of panic but rather a systematic and deliberate attack on its citizens by using fear and intimidation to curb civil liberties by offering no real proof of safety and security. The Democrat Left in my country has tried to use every mass shooting to try to scare people into giving up our 2nd Amendment Rights to own firearms for decades. No one who values freedom and liberty gives a fuck what they have to say because most of them have better armed security than our own president. So fuck them as well.

Mussies use any criticism of Islam as "Islamophobia" their word not mine, but whatever. You aren't telling us anything new in that respect. It's worthless propaganda who only silences pussies.

Most of us in here down care what the MSM is selling. So another dead horse gets beaten yet again.

If there are more than 100 Muslims living in any given country, you can fucking bet your life savings that two distinct societies already
exist and you can blame yourself and your fellow countrymen for letting that happen because elections have consequences. Anyone with a brain can see allowing Islam in any form to come into your country is setting it up for chaos and total submission by proxy.
 

griefsquirrel

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No (absolutely not a single one) government likes the internet, because it makes it difficult to control the narrative in a given situation. Local mass media is a lot easier to influence, and I think everyone knows a story about his country and mass media and government found in bed together, for the personal gain of both parties. On top of that is that the classic outlets are struggling for relevance and (last but not least) financing too nowadays, so they're not a big fan of the internet and the decentralized form of getting the news either. They're both sides of the same coin on this and will do anything they can to abolish the current form of free information flow we have. They feel threatened by it. As much as I find this terror act despicable and think the guy belongs in prison and the keys thrown away, it really highlighted this.

Also I think western governments are grossly underestimating just how dangerous muslims are to their (at least claimed) values. I grew up in a western country around muslims. Had muslims friends and muslim enemies - typical childhood shit. When I was young there were no terror attacks, nobody would ever believe a thing like 9/11 could happen and it was a different, more relaxed world in general in regards to this but even back then the muslim community I knew was never interested in integrating with the society around them, because deep in their hearts, they looked down on it. You also, even as a kid, knew that a friendship to a muslim could only ever go that far. There are inherent, irreconcilable incompatibilities with the mulsims and their belief system and the western world and yet the western governments at their hearts still think they can get them in line with dangling an euro/dollar in front of their noses and giving them a place in the same rat race everyone else is in. I think that is a big mistake that could eventually lead to a catastrophe.
 

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Am I the only one that thinks that this is nothing earth-shattering?

New Zealand has never mattered, and will never matter on a global scale, just because they have some exceptional leadership doesn't mean that this will change anything.

Dissent has been growing, and discourse has been dying, at least in the USA, since the 60's... right around MLK's assassination & the start of Vietnam.

People can't stand their own countrymen, there is no longer a live and let live attitude, it is, and has been for several decades, standard practice to shove your opinions and beliefs into other peoples personal worlds... gone are the days that you could just walk past the nut job standing on the soapbox on the corner, now everyone with a smartphone gets inundated with as many peoples opinions as they choose to bear; everyone has a platform, for better or for worse.

It doesn't do any good to close the barn door after the horse runnoft, and it doesn't do any good to capitulate to ideas you have a fundamental disagreement with... but there is a middle ground between getting your feelings hurt and shooting people... just take shit less personally, realize the world is difficult, unfair, and generally doesn't give a fuck about you - happiness lies within.
 

AStupidMonkey

srsly, wtf is dis shit?
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No (absolutely not a single one) government likes the internet, because it makes it difficult to control the narrative in a given situation. Local mass media is a lot easier to influence, and I think everyone knows a story about his country and mass media and government found in bed together, for the personal gain of both parties. On top of that is that the classic outlets are struggling for relevance and (last but not least) financing too nowadays, so they're not a big fan of the internet and the decentralized form of getting the news either. They're both sides of the same coin on this and will do anything they can to abolish the current form of free information flow we have. They feel threatened by it. As much as I find this terror act despicable and think the guy belongs in prison and the keys thrown away, it really highlighted this.
Well, except that the US govt. virtually built the internet, back when it was called ARPANET. But I can appreciate that they're not thrilled with the general population having equal access. Though it MUST be a treasure-trove for incriminating information. People are almost as sloppy with their data as they were when AOL was a thing. And the powers that be have only gotten better at finding their delicious chewy centers.
 

griefsquirrel

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Well, except that the US govt. virtually built the internet, back when it was called ARPANET. But I can appreciate that they're not thrilled with the general population having equal access. Though it MUST be a treasure-trove for incriminating information. People are almost as sloppy with their data as they were when AOL was a thing. And the powers that be have only gotten better at finding their delicious chewy centers.
Yes I agree and I should have probably expressed that better. Not the Internet in as the entire technology, but the current form we have of it. I'm sure governments are more than happy with compliant corporations doing all their data mining but I'm also pretty sure they don't appreciate places like this site where they can't easily shut down the discussion or bully the entity running the site into compliancy. Events like this one will lead to more and more pushing for legislature to make these parts of the internet disappear (or at least difficult to maintain) and not only in isolated parts of the world. No government is thrilled about it, because they know they could be the ones being troubled by "too much freedom" next.
 

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Doubt it'll help, most people remember these things by the name of the event, not the person who did it.
Agreed. If I heard it, I'd remember the Sandy Hook guy's name, or the Orlando guy's name, or the Vegas guy's name, or other than Dylan something, the Columbine guy's names. Couldn't even guess without hearing them though.
 

a feel

Guns don't kill people, troons kill people.
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Am I the only one that thinks that this is nothing earth-shattering?
I think you somehow missed the parts where a government tells their citizens what to see, feel and believe (or else!), and ISPs start blocking wrongthink because they can. That's what's earth-shattering, and I feel sorry for you if you fail to understand the implications of this.

I am from fucking Germany and have to use a VPN to access the farms now. How is that not earth-shattering?

Edit a couple of hours later: I can access the farms without using a VPN again. I think I will keep using it, though.
 
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Stormy Daniel's Lawyer

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The only argument I've heard from a hunting standpoint is that bumpstocked ARs are good for wild pig as they can charge you while dying.

You still don't need 4-6 of these units.

A 9 is almost always gonna do it for home defense.
If you hate money ( money wasted on ammo) while using a bump-stock shooting at a sounder of wild pigs, fine waste your money. For me, I always use a shooting stick and so does every other pig hunter I've ever known.

As long as someone is responsible, I don't care how many weapons they own. 99.999999999% of all the weapons in the United States will never take another human life while committing a crime.

Lastly, WTF is an A 9? It's not any pump action shotgun that I've ever hear of, so it's not anything I would recommend for home defense. There is a company (ATEi) that sells a A9 Glock 19 Gen 4, but there's no way you would recommend at $1,100.00 pistol for home defense, right?
 
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If you hate money ( money wasted on ammo) while using a bump-stock shooting at a sounder of wild pigs, fine waste your money. For me, I always use a shooting stick and so does every other pig hunter I've ever known.

As long as someone is responsible, I don't care how many weapons they own. 99.999999999% of all the weapons in the United States will never take another human life while committing a crime.

Lastly, WTF is an A 9? It's not any pump action shotgun that I've ever hear of, so it's not anything I would recommend for home defense. There is a company (ATEi) that sells a A9 Glock 19 Gen 4, but there's no way you would recommend at $1,100.00 pistol for home defense, right?
I think he means any 9x19mm pistol
 
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I think he means any 9x19mm pistol
Maybe..However, a pistol is the least of all firearms I would recommend for home defense. Oh, and a musket..

Agreed. If I heard it, I'd remember the Sandy Hook guy's name, or the Orlando guy's name, or the Vegas guy's name, or other than Dylan something, the Columbine guy's names. Couldn't even guess without hearing them though.
That's by design...The media and the politician's always skips the shooter/s names and goes straight after the NRA..

Race traitor.
She should be loaned out indefinitely to the local grooming gang..
 
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