Brenton Tarrant posts on 8chan, shoots up Mosque killing 49 muslims in New Zealand, livestreams from GoPro -

Take away the Guns, Censor the Video, Throw people in Jail for Having the Video, or do it all?

  • Just take the guns, it'll work out fine.

    Votes: 65 5.9%
  • Doesn't matter, it's Trump's Fault.

    Votes: 271 24.4%
  • Just ban the video, it's totally doable.

    Votes: 39 3.5%
  • DO EVERYTHING!

    Votes: 207 18.6%
  • Make Null turn us over, that'll make us safe.

    Votes: 528 47.6%

  • Total voters
    1,110
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AnOminous

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His looks haven't changed much, it's all lighting, angles, and his sad "the dopamine hit wore off a week after the shooting and now I've fully processed the fact I'm going to prison forever" expression.

It's important to the kabuki dance that he look really defeated before he gets memory holed forever.
 

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Which is probably why they have almost certainly got him on hardcore suicide watch (which is one of the most depressing places to be imaginable.) Can't let him martyr himself.

The irony of suicide watch is if you weren't suicidal before, you'll certainly be during, but won't be able to do anything about it (unless you're Jeffrey Epstein).
 

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Gotta say, "my problem with the Christchurch shooter is that he didn't die during his massacre and is therefore a pussy" is one hell of a hot take.

His original plan was to try and use the court coverage to gain more attention, and help spread the idea of white genocide. I think that his best option for that is a hunger strike.

His looks haven't changed much, it's all lighting, angles, and his sad "the dopamine hit wore off a week after the shooting and now I've fully processed the fact I'm going to prison forever" expression.

reminds me of what Ted Kazynski wrote about being in prison, "I am afraid they will break my spirit". However, Ted Kazynski also had lots of people writing him. Which included a lot of women. He published a few books while in prison, and also aided in the construction of Ivey university courses. Absolute mad lad. I hope Brenton has some pen-pals

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Likely had something to do with a threat of placing him with the Maori, who, despite being only 15% of the population, make up 50% of New Zealand's prisoners.

The establishment decries anyone who thinks that non-whites are violent, and punishes them when they speak out. But they are knowingly use non-whites are they attack dogs when convenient. In prisons, the establishment will threaten its enemies with exposure diversity. Now in the US, BLM is aimed like a battering ram. It is stuff like this that makes me think that some minority of leftists know how dangerous diversity is, and consciously take advantage of it. Not all of them can be so willingly blind at the same time as doing things like this.

The virus thing is pretty much a solid example of why accelerationist "shoot up a place full of random people" ideology is a failure. The only impact his livestream and shooting has had a year later is that he created another banned shock video for edgy trolls to offend people with and caused a bunch of New Zealanders to lose even more of their rights. The copycats who tried it became laughingstocks instead of starting Race War III. Then there's the obvious "why didn't he attack some government official who enabled migration instead" question as well, and that would have had a much bigger long term impact outside the internet because his copycats would have likely been bigger threats.

Meanwhile the virus has given every fringe group online their dream scenario of society collapse. People are stuck inside and conspiracy theories are flourishing about people losing their rights. Racism has made a comeback but towards the Chinese instead of Muslims as solidarity campaigns like "hug a Chinese person" backfired extremely hard. Gun sales are spiking harder than even the biggest mass shooting panic buys. People are out of their jobs and angry at corporations/the government, and others are predicting it's only going to get worse in the next few months. Oh and even Tarrant's greatest achievement (tech companies overplaying their hand regarding censorship) has been eclipsed by how tech companies have "fought misinformation" regarding the virus in a way that normies can see.

The coronavirus has accelerated things far faster than any mass shooting in a Wal-Mart ever could have.

There is almost nothing anyone can do to change the status quo. Even the something massive like the Federal Building bombing did nothing in the long run. There are really only two things I can see happening in the current timeline that can make a difference on the world stage from the perspective of small groups:

1. Biological attacks. Like we have seen with the Chinese Flu, a virus can cause enormous socioeconomic damage, even without killing all that many people. They also are not really all that hard to get hold of compared to things like nukes. Small countries and terrorist cells could make new weapons if they have smart people dedicated to the task. I estimate a few PhDs in virology and biotechnology, with the funding of 911, could do it. It is for this reason I think that sometime between 2030 and 2050 we will see a virus that is designed by terrorists, and kills at least 1 million in a single year.

2. Memetic agents amplified by social media. BLM has made as much an impact on US politics as anything. BLM is a memetic agent which appeals over socialized whites and angry niggers. It was designed by twitter user unconsciously by the natural selection of ideas on that platform. It is as dangerous as any virus we know currently in its ability to influence public perception and elections.

because the later requires amplification by social media to teach the normies, it can really only be used by groups which are approved of by the technocrats. Examples include Arab Spring, BLM, and MeToo.
 
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People are indeed out there trying to send letters to him, but very few make it into his hands due to the NZ prison authorities being total cunts about his correspondence. Even his own mother had trouble getting letters to him, and only a few anons have managed to successfully send and receive mail from him.
 

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reminds me of what Ted Kazynski wrote about being in prison, "I am afraid they will break my spirit". However, Ted Kazynski also had lots of people writing him. Which included a lot of women. He published a few books while in prison, and also aided in the construction of Ivey university courses. Absolute mad lad. I hope Brenton has some pen-pals
Kazynski is a mathematics prodigy that has some startlingly original ideas. Tarrant is just a meathead. Doubt he'll get much interest from the outside and in a couple years he'll probably become the girlfriend.


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1. Biological attacks. Like we have seen with the Chinese Flu, a virus can cause enormous socioeconomic damage, even without killing all that many people. They also are not really all that hard to get hold of compared to things like nukes. Small countries and terrorist cells could make new weapons if they have smart people dedicated to the task. I estimate a few PhDs in virology and biotechnology, with the funding of 911, could do it. It is for this reason I think that sometime between 2030 and 2050 we will see a virus that is designed by terrorists, and kills at least 1 million in a single year.

Really? You don't think that the major powers haven't anticipated this? The USSR had weaponised smallpox at its lab in the Aral Sea. Ditto weaponised plague (Yersinia pestis.) Us bongs had similar agents at Porton Down (we developed VX gas there and traded it to the US for thermonuclear know-how in the 1960s.) The first thing you do when you create a biological weapon is make sure your side has the gear to treat or prevent it, otherwise it's no better as a weapon than any old global pandemic.

Also, someone giving large sums of money to biotech PhDs and fitting out a super secure lab (an expensive endeavour) and attempting to acquire the gear that would be needed to produce such things (CRISPR-Cas9 is not enough)? That's gonna end up with them on a watch list very quickly.

As regards custom viruses that only infect a subset of the population, that's science fiction. The South Africans were attempting something like that at Project Coast in the 1970s and 1980s, but they concluded that if they wanted to keep the black population down by clandestine means, it was easier just to stick contraceptives in the water supply rather than genetically modify something that whites are immune to.
 

Ivan Shatov

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Really? You don't think that the major powers haven't anticipated this? The USSR had weaponised smallpox at its lab in the Aral Sea. Ditto weaponised plague (Yersinia pestis.) Us bongs had similar agents at Porton Down (we developed VX gas there and traded it to the US for thermonuclear know-how in the 1960s.) The first thing you do when you create a biological weapon is make sure your side has the gear to treat or prevent it, otherwise it's no better as a weapon than any old global pandemic.

Also, someone giving large sums of money to biotech PhDs and fitting out a super secure lab (an expensive endeavour) and attempting to acquire the gear that would be needed to produce such things (CRISPR-Cas9 is not enough)? That's gonna end up with them on a watch list very quickly.

As regards custom viruses that only infect a subset of the population, that's science fiction. The South Africans were attempting something like that at Project Coast in the 1970s and 1980s, but they concluded that if they wanted to keep the black population down by clandestine means, it was easier just to stick contraceptives in the water supply rather than genetically modify something that whites are immune to.
You obviously know a little more about this than the average person.

I get concerned about the lack of a regulatory apparatus in China and how educated types over there are fooling around with CRISPR. There was the thing with gene editing the babies, there's the stuff about Bat Flu from Wuhan independent of the pandemic.

My take is that nothing's changed, it's a dangerous world and the cost of making deadly things goes down each year. It's only a matter of time, whether by accident or intent, someone's going to do something extremely stupid and we won't have a defense against it.

With regard to bioweapons, I've listened to a number of podcasts about genetic engineering. There is (allegedly) some new ideas in the area, of looking at population level immunities and crafting viruses that target weaknesses. The idea is not to knock out a whole population, but to disproportionately affect a target. Some groups have more Vitamin D than others, that sort of thing.

What I took away from it is it's actually cheaper to design 100 of these sorts of things than 1 perfect one. Perfect is the enemy of good enough.

It's scary to think what people can do with big data.
 

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It's only a matter of time, whether by accident or intent, someone's going to do something extremely stupid and we won't have a defense against it.

I am genuinely surprised that as a species we got through the Cold War.

1962 - during the Cuban Missile Crisis, a Soviet submarine with nuclear torpedos couldn't contact Moscow, and believed they were under attack from US depth charges. They had to determine amongst themselves whether to fire a tactical nuclear weapon. There were three officers whose job it was to decide, and two of them were in favour of the nuclear option, and but for the commissar persuading them to surface and confirm it with the Politburo first we probably wouldn't be here by now.

1979 - NORAD threw up an alarm stating there were 250, then 2,200, Soviet ICBMs on their way to the US right then. Strategic bombers were put on cockpit readiness (as in, fuelled up, nuclear armed, crews ready to launch and in the planes to drop big ones on Russia), missile silos told to stand by. After 6 minutes it was confirmed to be a false alarm by satellite reconnaissance. The cause of the error? Someone put a training drill program into the true and honest defence computer.

1983 - The Soviet Politburo, who were all paranoid geriatrics who remembered Operation Barbarossa and had convinced themselves that NATO was just itching to wipe them off the map, assumed that the Able Archer military exercises were a cover for a build-up of a conventional invasion of Eastern Europe. The West was also increasingly convinced that with the Soviet Union looking increasingly unstable what with the deaths of Andropov and Chernenko and the upper echelons of the Party looking increasingly like a deadly decadent court, some headbanger would take charge and invade the West. This was the time of KAL 007 and the Stanislav Petrov incident.

And those are just the ones that we know about.

I suspect that the reason we seem to be alone in the universe is that most sentient species kill themselves within a few years of developing nuclear weapons.
 

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I am genuinely surprised that as a species we got through the Cold War.

1962 - during the Cuban Missile Crisis, a Soviet submarine with nuclear torpedos couldn't contact Moscow, and believed they were under attack from US depth charges. They had to determine amongst themselves whether to fire a tactical nuclear weapon. There were three officers whose job it was to decide, and two of them were in favour of the nuclear option, and but for the commissar persuading them to surface and confirm it with the Politburo first we probably wouldn't be here by now.

1979 - NORAD threw up an alarm stating there were 250, then 2,200, Soviet ICBMs on their way to the US right then. Strategic bombers were put on cockpit readiness (as in, fuelled up, nuclear armed, crews ready to launch and in the planes to drop big ones on Russia), missile silos told to stand by. After 6 minutes it was confirmed to be a false alarm by satellite reconnaissance. The cause of the error? Someone put a training drill program into the true and honest defence computer.

1983 - The Soviet Politburo, who were all paranoid geriatrics who remembered Operation Barbarossa and had convinced themselves that NATO was just itching to wipe them off the map, assumed that the Able Archer military exercises were a cover for a build-up of a conventional invasion of Eastern Europe. The West was also increasingly convinced that with the Soviet Union looking increasingly unstable what with the deaths of Andropov and Chernenko and the upper echelons of the Party looking increasingly like a deadly decadent court, some headbanger would take charge and invade the West. This was the time of KAL 007 and the Stanislav Petrov incident.

And those are just the ones that we know about.

I suspect that the reason we seem to be alone in the universe is that most sentient species kill themselves within a few years of developing nuclear weapons.
There's reasons for optimism, starting with the fact no one actually wants everyone to die. We depend on each other as a species and there's strong biological instincts never to act on desires to wipe out others entirely.

When I look at the Tarrant video, I see someone committing a merciless act of ethnic cleansing. Christchurch has been a home for Muslim extremists for a while, which he was no doubt aware, and it's also going through demographic change. To get to the point where he stops looking at those people as human beings, where they become some kind of plague to be eradicated, that's a fascinating portrait. It's just a mental space people rarely go except in times of war.

I don't think there's going to be a Tarrant type doing biological warfare or nuclear experimentation in our lifetimes. It's more likely that a terrorist organization would acquire the means to create a lab or manufacture bombs. Organizations do things to obtain power, not to destroy themselves. You can't have power if you're the only one left on Earth.

The more frightening scenario, for me, is extreme forms of totalitarian soft power, where every minutiae of civic life is regulated, every supply chain is managed down to the mg, and people's thought is controlled by a caustic media. If I was a game theorist, I would be thinking that's the more achievable goal and focused on ways to get people to accept such a level of existence. The sad thing is managing that at a global scale is going to require severe trial and error experimentation and a lot of people / cultures are going to be wiped out along the way.

What's the point of preservation of the species if we enact a devolution along the way? What is all the struggle against suffering for if we're going to render ourselves a vanilla version of a species focused on being cozy instead of adventure and discovery?

Dunno the answers there. I don't think anyone is going to wipe out the species or destroy the Earth when they could just neuter every male and repopulate with NPCs hostile to anything that goes against the goals of the new global society. Tarrant is a reactionary who caused a spectacle, the real battle is a much broader one that won't be fought with guns.
 

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Really? You don't think that the major powers haven't anticipated this? The USSR had weaponised smallpox at its lab in the Aral Sea

Fun fact: They manufactured a custom strain by the ton and froze the stock. When the USSR was collapsing and it was a free for all, tons of stock went missing. It is hypothesized that the few tons of material was sold and transported to a few different countries. This includes North Korea and Israel.

Also, someone giving large sums of money to biotech PhDs and fitting out a super secure lab (an expensive endeavour) and attempting to acquire the gear that would be needed to produce such things (CRISPR-Cas9 is not enough)? That's gonna end up with them on a watch list very quickly.

100% wrong. Any biotech startup would have the equipment to do it. Really all you need is a few enzymes, a few pg of a starting virus, an oligonucleotide synthesizer, and PCR equipment. Also tools and for cell culture. You can buy all of the hardware online for a few hundred thousand good-as-new.

As regards custom viruses that only infect a subset of the population, that's science fiction. The South Africans were attempting something like that at Project Coast in the 1970s and 1980s, but they concluded that if they wanted to keep the black population down by clandestine means, it was easier just to stick contraceptives in the water supply rather than genetically modify something that whites are immune to.

Also wrong. If it does not violate the laws of physics, it is possible. The best bet would be to compare different surface proteins and receptors between races. Then find a particular receptor or surface protein that is unique to a particular population. Then design a custom pathogen to target it. The best candidates are ones in the lungs or nose.



We are fucked.Eventually some NGO will do it. And Congress will scream that we regulate everything biotech. You will loose even more freedom. You will need to have a permit to own a biochemistry text book.
 

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What is all the struggle against suffering for if we're going to render ourselves a vanilla version of a species focused on being cozy instead of adventure and discovery?

Arguably we have already done that, at least in the West. We're so fucking risk averse it is sickmaking. I wish Elon Musk would hurry up and develop affordable (comparatively) commercial space travel because given the state of Clown World right now I'd prefer to take my chances on the moon. Whatever happened to "we do these things not because they are easy, but because they are hard."

But, no. Apparently Saturn V rockets are giant phallic symbols that fuck the sky and are loaded with human beings to impregnate other planets and make them sick with toxic masculinity, and the act of living on and colonising other planets is an act of rape. Or something.
 

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Arguably we have already done that, at least in the West. We're so fucking risk averse it is sickmaking. I wish Elon Musk would hurry up and develop affordable (comparatively) commercial space travel because given the state of Clown World right now I'd prefer to take my chances on the moon. Whatever happened to "we do these things not because they are easy, but because they are hard."

But, no. Apparently Saturn V rockets are giant phallic symbols that fuck the sky and are loaded with human beings to impregnate other planets and make them sick with toxic masculinity, and the act of living on and colonising other planets is an act of rape. Or something.
I don't understand the urge to flee. Would rather figure out who I can get along with and make a stand.

Walls are more effective than feet.
 

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100% wrong. Any biotech startup would have the equipment to do it. Really all you need is a few enzymes, a few pg of a starting virus, an oligonucleotide synthesizer, and PCR equipment. Also tools and for cell culture. You can buy all of the hardware online for a few hundred thousand good-as-new.

The actual people who can do it competently are very rare, though, and they're usually watched by the government. Aum Shinrikyo had all the equipment they needed to do biotech, and in fact actually obtained anthrax and was attempting to obtain smallpox, ebola, and other darlings of bioterror wannabes. They were too organizationally insane to do it effectively, though. It requires an organization with serious discipline and a command structure to run this kind of thing. They were more successful with their nerve agents, although even those were second rate.

They had a number of gifted scientists in these fields, too, they just didn't have the organization for it.

Of course this was 25 years ago. The technology is only going to continue to become more accessible. There are probably NGOs currently capable of doing this, but the combination of one competent to do it while also being insane enough to want to do it isn't very common.
 

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Of course this was 25 years ago. The technology is only going to continue to become more accessible. There are probably NGOs currently capable of doing this, but the combination of one competent to do it while also being insane enough to want to do it isn't very common.
Someday, Rainbow 6 (the book) will be used as a blueprint for resetting the world. I hope they are no more successful than in the book, but even if they manage an Al-Qaeda-level adaptation of a Clancy plot, shit will suck.
 
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