Disaster Brexit: "Technical terms" agreed - Chequers minus, as feared, or Brexit in name only.

RomanesEuntDomus

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People need to realise that cancelling article 50 at this point would create even more uncertainty.
Stopping Brexit would be an utter shitshow. I don't think it's a good idea for the UK to leave, but there was a referendum that decided to leave and if the UK goverment would now go "lol jk, we're not leaving", it would be a completely horrifying display of politicians shitting on a democratic decision.
As when the referendum happened: It's a damn shame the results weren't much more clear cut. Like if it was 60% to 70% that were in favor of leaving, we wouldn't have this endless whining from remainers over how the old guys in favor of Brexit died since the referendum and more people are now in favor of staying and whatnot.

Stay on course take what ever hit we take we take and they’ll probably wind up giving us Canada+ Last minute or just after.
It's pretty much unavoidable that there will be some sort of trade deal with the UK, since it's in the UK's and EU's mutual interest.
It is going to be interesting to see what kind of concessions the UK might have to make for that, since I have a hunch that in the end, the UK will have pretty much the same regulations forced upon them as they have now, but they will no longer have much of a say in Brussels. Maybe that's going to be the big tradeoff here, the UK will no longer pay money to Brussels (or at least pay less) but lose their voice in the European Parliament... would be a rather sucky situation.
 

Rancid Flid

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People need to realise that cancelling article 50 at this point would create even more uncertainty. The markets wouldn’t stabilise due to Boris resigning, the following election would be an absolute mess between Lib Dem’s and Brexit Party. If Lib Dem’s won they would cancel outright, if labour won it would be a “people’s vote” and Brexit party would carry on with hardline no deal.
SNP would carry on with independence policy’s regardless of outcome fucking up the economy even more. The cost to businesses who have already begun preps for no deal isn’t exactly chump change either and current government have people working around the clock at the moment prepping for no deal in almost all departments.

Stay on course take what ever hit we take we take and they’ll probably wind up giving us Canada+ Last minute or just after.
Some good points there & I agree but reversing Article 50 would probably take us several years to achieve too. Nobody has done it before & it seems our law courts & those of the EU are completely undecided as to the process of how it could be done. And I think the other 27 member states need to agree to a reversal too, so it could potentially take a very long time to sort out. Please don't mention the possibility of the mad Lib's gaining power again, it's making my heart race.
 

Just Some Other Guy

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I'm a hard Brexiteer but after spending a good few hours on research into the subject, I'm afraid that the reality is we still won't have anything like full sovereignty when we finally leave the EU because of the agreements that May signed & committed us to with the UN & international law courts like the European Court of Justice.

Our highest courts will still be over ruled by foreign courts & if you take the time to read the UN Global Compact on Migration, which we have signed, it becomes obvious that our migration figures are more likely to rise rather than go down. There's some clever wording in the main UN document that mentions the term "non-legally binding" but that only comes into play when you consider that we have to abide by the rules laid out in the documents or face sanctions. It's a bit like saying that our laws are non-legally binding, until you break one.

I think technically, we could tell the UN to jog on but we won't & it will be so easy for politicians to blame May & the UN for future uncontrolled, mass immigration in the same way they have blamed the EU. Cameron could have applied an emergency break to EU migrant figures to stem the flow but he didn't because financially, our economy is so fucked that we need more & more consumers & tax payers every year to prop up a heavily indebted, broken economy & it's part of the globalist agenda too. And from what I've read on the UN's own website, I think it's likely that we'll have a large influx of "migrants" from South America, so we've probably got cartel wars looming on the horizon.
Lol UN compact. Tell the UN to shove it.
 

Rancid Flid

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Lol UN compact. Tell the UN to shove it.
We do when it suits us. Their court has told the UK that it must return the Chagos Islands to it's indigenous people but we're ignoring that because the US pays us rent for Diego Garcia.

I'm convinced we signed the UN Compact to ensure we have a never ending supply of wage suppressing migrants after we've left the EU. After all, the current government have been promising to hugely cut our migration figures for years, it was even an election promise a few times but they've done nothing at all to reduce the numbers because they've no intention of doing what the people want them to.
 

Slimy Time

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So, have we reached a point yet where Brexit-supporters will whine about a hardass EU refusing to renegotiate as if it was their fault that the UK sucks at negotiating?
More like it had a PM and cheif negotiator who was willing to bend over backwards for big corporate and the EU gravy train and push threw a worse deal than remain. Really is 50/50 whether Boris decides to go no deal or fold. Much better odds than May, the worst Conservative postwar PM or her would be successor Hunt.
 

The Demon Pimp of Razgriz

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As when the referendum happened: It's a damn shame the results weren't much more clear cut. Like if it was 60% to 70% that were in favor of leaving, we wouldn't have this endless whining from remainers over how the old guys in favor of Brexit died since the referendum and more people are now in favor of staying and whatnot.
Hah, funny. They'd be bitching about it regardless. These people are no different from those bitching about the fact Trump is president. It wouldn't of mattered how the final results shook out. All that matters is that their side didn't win. Its why you've got people calling for a second vote after supporting that there should be only one vote originally, while also making it clear that they wouldn't accept that vote if the result was to Leave a second time. Its all about making sure your side wins.

It's pretty much unavoidable that there will be some sort of trade deal with the UK, since it's in the UK's and EU's mutual interest.
It is going to be interesting to see what kind of concessions the UK might have to make for that, since I have a hunch that in the end, the UK will have pretty much the same regulations forced upon them as they have now, but they will no longer have much of a say in Brussels. Maybe that's going to be the big tradeoff here, the UK will no longer pay money to Brussels (or at least pay less) but lose their voice in the European Parliament... would be a rather sucky situation.
That's pretty much what May tried to force on Great Britain already, and see where that got her. It would never happen, as it would be political poison to any government that proposes it.
 

heyitsmike

The beatings will continue until morale improves.
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It's a damn shame the results weren't much more clear cut. Like if it was 60% to 70% that were in favor of leaving,
If things were different they wouldn't be the same. Of course the results weren't clear cut. Leave/Remain was 52/48. Clinton/Trump was 49/48. That's precisely what polarization is.

No one is changing their minds or compromising about anything anywhere in the world right now.

Incidentally the only things that are getting a clear 1/3-2/3 split are the opposite sides of the Dems' 2020 platform of slavery reparations, decriminalizing border crossings and free healthcare for illegal immigrants.
 

Slimy Time

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Oooh watch out everyone, Lammy's on the warpath


He'll be at the front of the barricades, leading the masses against the evil government. Or sitting on Twitter banging on about how everything is racist.
He better get those salty tears and his watermelon smile of sadness ready for 31st October. The guy talks all the nonsense he wants because he runs in Tottenham, who have voted Labour since the 1950's, Lammy with a win of over 80% last time. He could shoot/knife a child in broad daylight and so long as he has the colour Red behind him, they will vote him in.
 

Skyclaw

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He better get those salty tears and his watermelon smile of sadness ready for 31st October. The guy talks all the nonsense he wants because he runs in Tottenham, who have voted Labour since the 1950's, Lammy with a win of over 80% last time. He could shoot/knife a child in broad daylight and so long as he has the colour Red behind him, they will vote him in.
Not to be all conspiracy theory and "DA JEWS!" but Tottenham is also home to alot of jews...to the point where the local football team Tottenham Hotspur's fans are known as the "Yid Army"

Take that as you will but i'm not surprised that David exceptional individual lammy wins in a landslide in that place..
 
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Slimy Time

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He's making a move to stop Comrade and the May hangons like Greive and Hammond from calling a vote of no confidence/party suicide. Good move.
 

The Gay Banana

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I still think Boris doesn't want a no deal Brexit but he's doing this to force the opposition parties to block it next week through a VoNC then he can blame them for stopping Brexit in this General Election that is clearly coming since he's been in campaign mode the moment he took office.
 

CWCissey

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They've had HOW long to call a vote of no confidence?

This is like the teacher announcing the paper is due in two weeks instead of three, and the dumb students give up on writing it despite having always planned to do it the night before it was due.
Parliament's been off for the summer, they don't come back until the 3rd.
 
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