World Brexit: "Technical terms" agreed - Chequers minus, as feared, or Brexit in name only.

Manwithn0n0men

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Got no clue about the prorogation but there's more recent news.

No10 say Brexit deal is now ‘impossible’ and warn EU countries they will be treated as hostile – as Boris vows to meet Irish PM for last-ditch talks

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or is it? (Pls no jinx)
So wait....Brits have to surrender NI to Ireland to leave the EU?

Am I reading that right?
 

CWCissey

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So, what the hell is going on, what deal was Johnson suggesting to Merkel?
Boris suggested a deal with a better form of the backstop (customs checks are done company side and a representative border in the Irish Sea) and some form of special arrangement for NI.

So wait....Brits have to surrender NI to Ireland to leave the EU?

Am I reading that right?
You are not. NI would still be in the UK.
 

heyitsmike

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Never change r/ukpolitics, never change.
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Reminds of my Navy days, when skanky whores would line up to marry young, dumb Seamen Recruits so she could get free health insurance and he could get BAH to live off base.
 
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Never change r/ukpolitics, never change.
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Reminds of my Navy days, when skanky whores would line up to marry young, dumb Seamen Recruits so she could get free health insurance and he could get BAH to live off base.
Since Ireland is in the CTA and not Schengen a Brit wouldn't need an Irish visa even after Brexit. Ireland can't even deport you if you're British and vice versa. You even get to take part in elections.

The UK and EU have even suggested they'll follow the same model post-Brexit where you wouldn't be a citizen but also wouldn't be an alien so in practice you have the same rights anyway.

But this guy is clearly a troll. Check his post history.
 

iRON-mAn

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https://archive.fo/CHPzB

Bercrow, acting as the completely impartial speaker of the house, unbiased as always, met with the European Parliament President, and to discuss Brexit, the need for a deal and the importance of parliament in general. Definitely a neutral figure.

https://archive.fo/Gg1tF

Additionally, the Scottish Court of Session was supposed to rule today on the appeal against there being no need to force Boris Johnson to comply with the Benn Act. Rather than making that judgement, they've deferred the decision until the 21st, basically so that they can wait and see if he actually complies or not, before then ruling that someone else can request the extension in his stead.

There were a couple other news items, such as Boris planning to have Parliament sit on Saturday 19th October, though as far as I know that has to be agreed by parliament itself, as well as Jeremy Corbyn continuing to insist that he should be Prime Minster in the event of a vote of no confidence.
 

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https://archive.fo/CHPzB

Bercrow, acting as the completely impartial speaker of the house, unbiased as always, met with the European Parliament President, and to discuss Brexit, the need for a deal and the importance of parliament in general. Definitely a neutral figure.

https://archive.fo/Gg1tF

Additionally, the Scottish Court of Session was supposed to rule today on the appeal against there being no need to force Boris Johnson to comply with the Benn Act. Rather than making that judgement, they've deferred the decision until the 21st, basically so that they can wait and see if he actually complies or not, before then ruling that someone else can request the extension in his stead.

There were a couple other news items, such as Boris planning to have Parliament sit on Saturday 19th October, though as far as I know that has to be agreed by parliament itself, as well as Jeremy Corbyn continuing to insist that he should be Prime Minster in the event of a vote of no confidence.
You know, I'm thinking a FOIA request on this one needs to be done. Will update as and when.
 
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Gustav Schuchardt

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Number 10 leaked a memo to the Spectator on its view of the negotiations, i.e. that they're dead but won't lie down


‘The negotiations will probably end this week. Varadkar doesn’t want to negotiate. Varadkar was keen on talking before the Benn Act when he thought that the choice would be ‘new deal or no deal’. Since the Benn Act passed he has gone very cold and in the last week the official channels and the backchannels have also gone cold. Varadkar has also gone back on his commitments — he said if we moved on manufactured goods then he would also move but instead he just attacked us publicly. It’s clear he wants to gamble on a second referendum and that he’s encouraging Barnier to stick to the line that the UK cannot leave the EU without leaving Northern Ireland behind.

‘There are quite a few people in Paris and Berlin who would like to discuss our offer but Merkel and Macron won’t push Barnier unless Ireland says it wants to negotiate. Those who think Merkel will help us are deluded. As things stand, Dublin will do nothing, hoping we offer more, then at the end of this week they may say “OK, let’s do a Northern Ireland only backstop with a time limit”, which is what various players have been hinting at, then we’ll say no, and that will probably be the end.

‘Varadkar thinks that either there will be a referendum or we win a majority but we will just put this offer back on the table so he thinks he can’t lose by refusing to compromise now. Given his assumptions, Varadkar’s behavior is arguably rational but his assumptions are, I think, false. Ireland and Brussels listen to all the people who lost the referendum, they don’t listen to those who won the referendum and they don’t understand the electoral dynamics here.

‘If this deal dies in the next few days, then it won’t be revived. To marginalize the Brexit party, we will have to fight the election on the basis of “no more delays, get Brexit done immediately”. They thought that if May went then Brexit would get softer. It seems few have learned from this mistake. They think we’re bluffing and there’s nothing we can do about that, not least given the way May and Hammond constantly talked tough then folded.

‘So, if talks go nowhere this week, the next phase will require us to set out our view on the Surrender Act. The Act imposes narrow duties. Our legal advice is clear that we can do all sorts of things to scupper delay which for obvious reasons we aren’t going into details about. Different lawyers see the “frustration principle” very differently especially on a case like this where there is no precedent for primary legislation directing how the PM conducts international discussions.

‘We will make clear privately and publicly that countries which oppose delay will go the front of the queue for future cooperation — cooperation on things both within and outside EU competences. Those who support delay will go to the bottom of the queue. [This source also made clear that defense and security cooperation will inevitably be affected if the EU tries to keep Britain in against the will of its government] Supporting delay will be seen by this government as hostile interference in domestic politics, and over half of the public will agree with us.

‘We will also make clear that this government will not negotiate further so any delay would be totally pointless. They think now that if there is another delay we will keep coming back with new proposals. This won’t happen. We’ll either leave with no deal on October 31 or there will be an election and then we will leave with no deal.

‘When they say “so what is the point of delay?”, we will say “This is not our delay, the government is not asking for a delay — Parliament is sending you a letter and Parliament is asking for a delay but official government policy remains that delay is an atrocious idea that everyone should dismiss. Any delay will in effect be negotiated between you, Parliament, and the courts — we will wash our hands of it, we won’t engage in further talks, we obviously won’t given any undertakings about cooperative behavior, everything to do with “duty of sincere cooperation” will be in the toilet, we will focus on winning the election on a manifesto of immediately revoking the entire EU legal order without further talks, and then we will leave. Those who supported delay will face the inevitable consequences of being seen to interfere in domestic politics in a deeply unpopular way by colluding with a Parliament that is as popular as the clap.

‘Those who pushed the Benn Act intended to sabotage a deal and they’ve probably succeeded. So the main effect of it will probably be to help us win an election by uniting the leave vote and then a no deal Brexit. History is full of such ironies and tragedies.’
It's pretty self-explanatory and you should just read it yourself but LBC's Theo Usherwood gives his spin here

 

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Number 10 leaked a memo to the Spectator on its view of the negotiations, i.e. that they're dead but won't lie down




It's pretty self-explanatory and you should just read it yourself but LBC's Theo Usherwood gives his spin here

Gut instinct is that, if there's yet more lawfare over it, that it is not up to Parliament to effectively micromanage a Government in this way on international relations. Parliament already has the sanction of a vote of no confidence in the Government if it believes that the Government is adopting a line it can't support. It would also set a dangerous precedent in basically allowing any and all Government decisions to be tied up in Court forever which is no way for a Government to operate. However, given the antics of Lady Hale and friends in recent days and the general trend for the Supreme Court judges to try to give themselves a greater and greater role in politics despite having no electoral mandate so to do, and without getting into the can of worms that is the American yen for electing judges (I personally think it is a singularly bad idea because it encourages politicisation of the judiciary), anything is possible.

Wouldn't be surprised if our current elites would actually want to reduce the office of Prime Minister to a purely ceremonial one and have a bunch of "experts" holding actual power (and by "experts" I mean people like the grey eminences in the civil service and Whitehall and the judiciary who wear dark suits and meet in dark corners.)
 

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However, given the antics of Lady Hale and friends in recent days and the general trend for the Supreme Court judges to try to give themselves a greater and greater role in politics despite having no electoral mandate so to do, and without getting into the can of worms that is the American yen for electing judges (I personally think it is a singularly bad idea because it encourages politicisation of the judiciary), anything is possible.
Emphasis mine; as if they needed the encouragement. Two words, my dude: fait accompli. Back here in Burgerland, the judiciary has been politicizing itself for easily the last six decades simply by ignoring their own fake, gay, made-up rules about how they're supposed to operate (Tenth Amendment? Stare decisis? What are those, vegan restaurants?) and banking on the prestige of the judiciary to stop the other branches from calling them on it, and so far it's worked. The upshot is that we now have a claque of Ivy League lawyers operating as an unelected super-legislature, which is why we're seeing absolutely insane political antics like the Kavanaugh smears as both parties fight over the proverbial gun. Making the Supreme Court term-limited and elected would do a lot to dispel the insanity, because it would dispense with the fiction that they're some sort of impartial branch and instead are simply another part of the political process.
 

Gustav Schuchardt

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Wouldn't be surprised if our current elites would actually want to reduce the office of Prime Minister to a purely ceremonial one and have a bunch of "experts" holding actual power (and by "experts" I mean people like the grey eminences in the civil service and Whitehall and the judiciary who wear dark suits and meet in dark corners.)
Blair more or less achieved that by replacing the Law Lords with a Supreme Court, joining the EU and putting the ECHR into UK law with the Human Rights Act 1998.

When you try and deport people you get blocked by the ECHR/Human Rights Act. You can't leave the ECHR without leaving the EU. And if the people vote to leave the EU it is blocked by the EU and Supreme Court.

It's like a bear trap.
 

Coolio55

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Blair more or less achieved that by replacing the Law Lords with a Supreme Court, joining the EU and putting the ECHR into UK law with the Human Rights Act 1998.

When you try and deport people you get blocked by the ECHR/Human Rights Act. You can't leave the ECHR without leaving the EU. And if the people vote to leave the EU it is blocked by the EU and Supreme Court.

It's like a bear trap.
It all leads back to Blair ...again.
He doesn't deserve punishment, he deserves gunishment. He's sacrificed the right to a life without pain.
<Insert more brasseye quotes here>

Ps. Have any other political acts in britain (other than the kid dying from nunchucks) had such (((long reaching effects)))?
 

mindlessobserver

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And now Johnson is attempting to rewrite the queens speech so it serves as distraction if the tabloid wags are to be believed.

It should not be understated but this speech may define the monarchy going forward. Considering Elizabeth's age, it may even be her last. Just once I want to see the monarchy slip the leash. If any parliament in British History ever deserved for it to happen, it would be this one.
 

JohnDoe

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It should not be understated but this speech may define the monarchy going forward. Considering Elizabeth's age, it may even be her last. Just once I want to see the monarchy slip the leash. If any parliament in British History ever deserved for it to happen, it would be this one.
She can still have the entire Parliament dragged out into Trafalgar Square and beheaded, right? Or hanged until dead? Seems like an appropriate time.
 

RodgerDodger

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So wait....Brits have to surrender NI to Ireland to leave the EU?

Am I reading that right?
Technically it would still be in the UK, but it would be economically tied to Ireland and not GB, thus weakening GB's hold over it and welcoming the re-start of "the troubles".

Shit be getting real down in Britbongland! I'm thinking after Trump finishes buying Greenland he might just want to invade and conquer England. Because why the fuck not at this point? (they're all gonna be over on this side of the pond taking away all of our TV announcers jobs as it is! So may as well pick up some cheap real estate.)
 
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iRON-mAn

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EU: The UK need to honor the Good Friday agreement.

Also EU: Northern Ireland? What Northern Ireland? There is only Ireland.

And of course, if they do re-ignite the troubles, it'll be blamed on Brexit.
 
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EU: The UK need to honor the Good Friday agreement.

Also EU: Northern Ireland? What Northern Ireland? There is only Ireland.

And of course, if they do re-ignite the troubles, it'll be blamed on Brexit.
I wouldn't doubt this at all, knowing how long they'll drag that out for another 40 years or whatever.
 
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