Disaster Brexit: "Technical terms" agreed - Chequers minus, as feared, or Brexit in name only.

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Serious question: is this a legitimate organization, or is this some sort of bizarre shitposting/astroturfing?
Autistic Stalinists under very strong influence from the Brar family (who are relatively anti-LGBT) that randomly attack trans people for no apparent reason as they they march around with their Stalin banner and helped break-up Scargill's Socialist Labour Party.
 

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They're one of a number of tankie groupuscules who nobody gives a shit about. Depressingly, they are probably serious.
It's great because the Communist Party of Great Britain fractured into various ideological sections and thus couldn't gather their voters together into a shopping cart.

The main reason this announcement was made was likely because of Claire Fox's present, who thinks the Brexit vote, being largely downtrodden working class people was thus some sort of marxist insurgency and that Brexit will "naturally" result in more communistical thinking.

I mean, it makes about as much sense as the average communist bollocks, so who knows? Perhaps they're right.
 
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Oh dear...


Oh dear, oh dear...


Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear...


 

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So when do we want to bet The Brexit Party will outpoll the Tories on Westminster Voting Intentions? A week? A Month?
Quoting myself here.

The answer was apparently "10 days".

I wonder how they all feel, in this new party of theirs.

I know I feel pretty damn good as a supporter.

EDIT: Geedoh has plenty of handy images for you:





 
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Theresa May's Conservative party has slumped to fifth place in a national opinion poll for the first time in its history.

The latest YouGov poll for the Times says just 10% of people plan to back May's party in the upcoming European Parliament elections.

YouGov European elections poll
  • The Brexit Party: 34% (+4)
  • Labour: 16% (-5)
  • Liberal Democrats: 15% (+5)
  • Green Party: 11% (+2)
  • Conservatives: 10% (-3)
  • Change UK: 5% (-4)
 

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While in London, TBP is a solid second:



CUK's now in danger of returning no seats anywhere whatsoever in the entirety of the UK.

EDIT: Yougov has another poll out at Westminster Voting Intentions:

Lab 24%
Con 24%
TBP 18%
Lib Dems 16%
Change UK 2%
UKIP 2%

Other 6%

This gives TBP about 50 or so seats in the event of a GE. They climb much higher is the FPTP "breaking point" where a single percentage point will see a shift of 25-30 seats per 1%.

Again. In a single month.
 
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Ann Widdecombe. The Arch Tory. The epitomy of Toryism to the Tabloids and if you ask most people on the street to name someone you think is the poster child definition of a Tory. Got applauded. In a fucking Labour Club.

My mind is actually slightly blown now. Those clubs? The older ones are basically the first meeting places of, and the birthplace of many a Labour Party association.
 

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Ann Widdecombe. The Arch Tory. The epitomy of Toryism to the Tabloids and if you ask most people on the street to name someone you think is the poster child definition of a Tory. Got applauded. In a fucking Labour Club.

My mind is actually slightly blown now. Those clubs? The older ones are basically the first meeting places of, and the birthplace of many a Labour Party association.
Labour had its chance and blew thanks to Corbyn and the most insufferable shadow cabinet for a long time. Labour and it’s constant boasting of blocking brexit deals and deliberate attempts at buggering up negotiations are gonna lose a lot of support to Farage.

I can’t wait to wake up on the 24th and see that smug prick Farage smiling all over the news. If he’s smart Farage will actually start announcing other policies ready for the next general election after the vote this month.
 

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Labour had its chance and blew thanks to Corbyn and the most insufferable shadow cabinet for a long time. Labour and it’s constant boasting of blocking brexit deals and deliberate attempts at buggering up negotiations are gonna lose a lot of support to Farage.

I can’t wait to wake up on the 24th and see that smug prick Farage smiling all over the news. If he’s smart Farage will actually start announcing other policies ready for the next general election after the vote this month.
Supposedly they're doing just that. TBP is going to have "policy platforms" though and won't use the word "manifesto" because he believes that word is now hideously tainted after 2017.

Smart money would be to try and actually try and get back to the "commerce society" that early Thatcherism adopted before it slowly morphed into mega-corporatism that we're still stuck with today.

The part where legacy people and media folks have screeched out about "How can you be conservative when you've got Claire Fox there?" also forget about people like Awkright who built new housing, shops, pubs etc for his work force, putting them closer to the factory and in far far superior homes. They're not and never have been mutually exclusive positions to want to make money and look after your work force.

We already know Richard Tice is calling for a Free Port as they help with thousands of manufacturing jobs.

One Policy I'd absolutely love to see and I've seen it written in comments elsewhere is tax exemption for business in deprived areas. No matter how big or small the business, you're exempt from everything but National Insurance Payments for five years.

No business rate payments, no tax, no VAT. Fred the Window Washer or Sainsbury's all get a break within a set parliamentary or district council area. Five years of rocket boosting and would encourage bigger business to invest into areas it might have previously held back on.
 

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Five years of rocket boosting and would encourage bigger business to invest into areas it might have previously held back on.
The cycle of regeneration would be an absolute fucking boon to the country, especially if Wayne and Waynetta could be coaxed off bennies by ensuring that an honest day's work pays more than sitting on your arse.
 

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The cycle of regeneration would be an absolute fucking boon to the country, especially if Wayne and Waynetta could be coaxed off bennies by ensuring that an honest day's work pays more than sitting on your arse.
The biggest problem with a lot of regeneration is its the usual centgov drivel fling a bunch of cash at vested interests and then not innovate further. Which is a big, big problem when the High Street and Big Box stores need to innovate themselves. Independants are doing very well as many are taking advantage of opening online on Amazon, which now boasts a staggering 86% rate of small or individual traders in the UK.

It's not, as you say, giving Wayne and Waynetta the realisation they could run their own affairs and keep their damn money at the end of the day.

At the very bottom end, the actual UK Tax rate is 32%. 20% for Income, 12% for National Insurance.

Now imagine telling someone they keep 20% more of that if they go off and start washing windows, or mowing the gardens of people, or whatever the hell they want, they're suddenly going to eye up what might need doing round and about their way.

Now this isn't going to work for everyone. There will always be prats like Wayne and Waynetta. But I remember, I think it was Benefits Street? Where they handed the equivalent of their year's bennies to families to see what would happen. One family used it to jump start a successful bouncy castle business.

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Via the BBC:

Change UK leader MP Heidi Allen has challenged Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage to a live TV debate ahead of the European elections.
In her party's election broadcast, Ms Allen said she thinks a debate is "overdue" as there is "so much at stake" in the vote on 23 May.
She said the leaders needed to "share with the British people our vision for the future".
But Mr Farage has declined, saying: "Who is she?"
 

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RE: the earlier post on this page about the CPGB-ML, their endorsement of the Brexit Party has nothing to do with Claire Fox. She was a member of the Revolutionary Communist Party, a weird offshoot from the British Trotskyist movement. Conversely, the CPGB-ML is a hardline Stalininst ("anti-revisionist") party and its members hate Trotskyism with a passion. The main thing these two parties have in common is that they are/were reviled by everyone else who belongs to their tendency within Marxism (most Trots hated the RCP and still hate its successors, and a lot of MLs think the CPGB-ML are insane). I've read quite a lot of the CPGB-ML's literature and it is filled with scatching attacks on Trots. Its main targets are the SWP, the Socialist Party and the Stop the War Coalition, but I'm sure the RCP would have been a target if it had ever been a relevant force on the left.

Anyway, the RCP formally ceased to exist as a party long ago. It was destroyed by a catastrophic defamation case with ITN in the 1990s, which bankrupted it and led to its dissolution in 1997. Its remnants now gather around Spiked and the Institute of Ideas, and they have benefited from their formal emancipation from "Revolutionary Communist Party member" status — it is easier to be taken seriously when you are introduced on a TV show as a journalist (e.g. Brendan O'Neill, Claire Fox) or a professor emeritus of sociology (Frank Furedi), rather than an activist for a communist party. Their main party line is to defend free speech and complain about identity politics, which has given them a large readership of people from the anti-SJW right and the Blue Labour left, most of whom would never have paid any attention to Living Marxism, the magazine they used to converge around.

Opposition to the EU is actually the standard position among the Marxist-Leninist left in the UK (see also: the New Communist Party, the Communist Party of Britain, and the Communist Party of Britain Marxist-Leninist). Believe it or not, the CPGB-ML sent a delegation to UKIP's conference last year, handing out pro-Brexit leaflets to try winning Kippers over to Marxism-Leninism. Their article also denounces the British left / antifa for protesting against UKIP events rather than trying to "educate" them.
 

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I had the pleasure of catching the BBC debate this morning,

A few things are clear,

CUK clearly made a mistake with Rachel Johnson, despite her various reality TV appearances, she appears to have the onscreen charisma of a wet dog.

UKIP/Sargon is the best lightning rod we could have prayed for and the questions fielded left the BP candidate looking positively presidential.


However.... the constant bickering of the Remain parties amongst themselves in the background had to be the highlight.

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I had the pleasure of catching the BBC debate this morning,

A few things are clear,

CUK clearly made a mistake with Rachel Johnson, despite her various reality TV appearances, she appears to have the onscreen charisma of a wet dog.

UKIP/Sargon is the best lightning rod we could have prayed for and the questions fielded left the BP candidate looking positively presidential.


However.... the constant bickering of the Remain parties amongst themselves in the background had to be the highlight.

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Link dat shit. Where was it?

Meanwhile, compare and contrast the battle busses:



The Virgin CUK plain bus who's logo looks like ventilation on the side.

-Plain, default white.
-Crap logo
-Hides away
-Makes boring, too wordy statements
-Probably air conditioned
-Tinted windows, you don't need to see your betters that you WILL vote for.



Versus the Chad Brexit Bus.

-Bright Turquoise blue to loudly announce they're here.
-Arrow to show they know where they're going
-FIGHTING BACK
-Open topped to embrace british air and weather and so the candidates can be seen and see the people they will work for wherever they go.
 

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Might drop £10 on that.
Just as long as this piece of shit gets nowhere near anything again:


Unhinged prick.

EDIT: This victoria Derbyshire show is fucking hilarious to watch, especially when the twitter messages poured in only for the Greens and TBP. This really is an amazing shit show and shows the whole lot to be a squabbling rabble.

ChangeUK just making themselves obvious by there being only for the "Right answer" second referendum.
 
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