(Call Quality Review) June 7th, Moleman Call to Null -

[Smutley]

It's a little late for transcriptions tonight (damn you WATCH_DOGES), and tomorrow it's JACE night, but... oh, Thursday, I'll have Part 2 transcribed and ready to go.

Edit:

Fun little "find the hidden object" game. Look at this waveform display. Can you tell which sections are Null, and which are Gaben? It's really hard, so you might have to look extra hard...

 

[Holdek]

Null sounds really sympathetic to Gabe in this, patiently trying to take him almost by the hand step-by-step through why what's happening is happening, and what Gabe's options are.

 

[Varis]

Null, how the hell did you stay sane when dealing with him?

At some parts of the call, it sounded like Null was about to burst into tears.

 

[OR 345]

The silence after the Chris comparison was priceless.

 

[Ariel]

This is incredible!

 

[Judge Willow Giovanna]

I made a video using the call's audio yesterday and what do you know...

BIG GABEN IS WATCHING.

 

[José Mourinho]

I made a video using the call's audio yesterday and what do you know...

View attachment 2490

BIG GABEN IS WATCHING.

Keep on with the flagging system, Molay. Plus, that is as if the flagging system on YouTube is not flawed in the first place.

 

[RetardBus]

I love how fast he talks during the entirety of the call. At some points he sounds like the Micro Machines guy flipping his shit.

 

[Smutley]

Spoiler: Call 2: Part 1 - Now you know how I feel!

Moleman: [Begins mid-thought, exasperated] Willow apparently has the power to review reports I submit, reporting her and other people.
Null: Yes. She's, uh, she's considered a janitor for the Nava-Verse forum. She can handle some post reports in that forum.
Moleman: [Temper rising] Wha- Ah-wah would she have that power?? She is a bully!
Null: Because her, um, her knowledge of the Nava-Verse is important to managing what content goes inside of it. I- I- I use her as part of the-*
Moleman: [Interrupting] Well- but that would- then- that's 'nother thing. Th-That's the thing, is that there needs to NOT be content there.
Null: We just went over this. There's nothing you can do
Moleman: [Interrupting, shrieking] I KNOW THAT! But why is there a specific, a specific... banner under- with my name. Why would there be that? It's like officially endorsing what's happening to me on this part of the sites owners.
Null: When somebody is, um, when somebody joins the forum with the name of somebody that would be recognized- like The Golden Knight, or Chris, or you, I give them a banner to identify them as somebody is authentically the person they claim to be.
Moleman: Ye- also, um, I just, whenever might not be [unintelligible] it says- he says [unintelligible] the people. Hello?
Null: What's that?
Moleman: Oh. Like, it's like, when I- when I report people [missing audio] similarly people who are apparently, um, apparently admins or moderators, they keep saying I'M a bully. What's with that?
Null: They're taking the piss... to annoy you.
Moleman: Well, that, that, that should disqualify them from having that power on this- on their official sites.
Null: @CätPärty is somebody who gets along with everybody and who is extremely well qualified for his position. He's saying things to maybe put in to focus that what you say can be just as vicious as what they say, and that you need to calm down.
Moleman: [2 second stress sigh]

[6 seconds of silence]

Moleman: It's silliness-* [Unintelligeble] *-responsibility to get rid of all bullying, though.
Null: On this forum? No. It's not. We handle community infighting. When Person A has a problem with Person B, and they're both established members within the forum, then it becomes an issue for the moderators to sort that out and quell the flames. But if it's somebody from the outside joining in and starting stuff, that's uh, that's outside of their realm.
Moleman: Well it's- it's, well in their cases it's clearly because they are doing ba- they are saying mean things about me. And, doing means things to me tha- thats... things that you know...
Null: But... this- this directly falls in line with what you are capable of stopping and what you think should happen AND... I mean, I'm not gonna repeat myself anymore.
Moleman: I don't really need you to.

[Null and Moleman speak at the same time]

Moleman: *-a particularly flagrent instance.
Null: Willow is somebody who gets along with everybody. She is a moderator for the Nava-Verse board in the sense that she can handle posts that, um, might be in violation of the rules and she can see reports on posts. But that's it, she's not like a typical moderator.
Moleman: She's a criminal and known bully! She's a known bully!
Null: But her responsibilities are particular to one board. And they're not true staff member, uh, powers.
Moleman: W- who started this Nava-Verse board?
Null: The thread was originally created by... Alan Pardew, I think? So he- he would technically would be the one who is responsible for unleashing you to the forums.
Moleman: Okay, could you please talk to him about like, getting rid of it as a specific sub-forum?
Null: No. Because we've been over this. The board is there to entertain people and it does a great job of that. So it-*
Moleman: It's at my expense, though. It's REALLY at my expense, not just a little bit, but a lot.
Null: ALL OF THEM are at somebodies expense. We have three boards dedicated to Chris, you don't think that maybe he would like to see those gone too? What's the difference between Chris and you?
Moleman: ...Chris is much, much worse. Everything he does is stupid.
Null: [laughing] Now you know how I feel when I see what you are doing!

[5 seconds of silence]

 

[Smutley]

Spoiler: Call 2: Part 2 - It is your burden to bare, Gaben, I won't assume it for you

Null: No, really! It is the same thing! The dedication to intellectual property that doesn't have any value, fighting with people in different mediums in no way that can yield productive results. It's all the same thing.
Moleman: [Tries repeatedly to interrupt] I have been, like, developing my intellectual property with the int- with the hopes and stuff and such of... eventually, like, upping to the financial level. What they've, what they, what people like Willow have done is impeded that. Like stopped making- making- discouraged me from [weird robot audio sounds] development was ongoing.
Null: Well, that's your choice. I mean, I could say anything about anybodies work on DeviantArt and they're not going to stop working on it because I said something mean. That was entirely a decision that you made.
Moleman: She caused me to be banned from DeviantArt!
Null: [Laughs] No. She didn't cause you to be banned from DeviantArt. You're CONSTANT BICKERING with people you should have just reported and moved on is what got you banned from DeviantArt.
Moleman: What happened was I- I reported her with increasing intensity and sharpness of words until they banned me because they were like-*
Null: [Interrupting] Yes.
Moleman: She had made dozens of accounts, all of them illegal.
Null: It doesn't matter. The way to handle that, and the way that everybody who is not banned on DeviantArt handles that is they see the person, they report him, and they don't respond. And all of their crap gets thrown away. Your- your reaction was just as negative as hers, in terms of the-*
Moleman: [Interrupting] T-that's a good point. That's
Null: And this is something I really want-*
Moleman: [Interrupting, unintelligible] *- I haven't really been that negative since.
Null: This is what you really need to understand though. Your reaction... are just as disruptive as what they post to begin with. So, my board is fine with Willow. Willow fits in, she gets along with everybody, but once you start coming to the board and arguing with people that's when it gets really hectic. And that's how it was with DeviantArt. They are shitposting their negative comments was just as disruptive to the staff of DeviantArt as your replies. And your replies are what kept them coming back, which is why they had to ban you too. Because without you around to stimulate that- that dynamic, they wouldn't have the problem to begin with.
Moleman: All I was trying to do was just continue posting my intellectual content. Like without, without kind of [unintelligible] provoke me.
Null: There's a difference between "Stated Intent" and what you actually did. What you wanted to do was to post your rap vid- at- rap battle videos and your, and your drawings but what you actually did was fight with people. And that's what they cared about.
Moleman: I only thought- I- Oh, kay... I know you have a point but I mean I'm just saying I only followed them because they were Known Bullies. I wouldn't say anything [what????] left one mean comment.
Null: Who decides if somebody is a bully.
Moleman: Common Sense.
Null: Common sense... who... which is held by whom?
Moleman: In this case, me. And, in a way no one ra- no one could reasonably disagree with.
Null: But when you're a staff member looking at a dispute, all they see is Person A is being mean, Person B is being equally disruptive by fighting back with them. And at first, they banned all the people you wanted banned. But as time went on they started to ban... they start to warn you too. You got suspended. You got warnings! They told you "stop doing this" and you didn't listen.
Moleman: I know...
Null: So... [stress sigh] I mean, you can blame them for whatever you want, it's not gonna, not gonna change what actually happened. What actually happened was that you were a component.
Moleman: I- I know. I'm over that now though. It was months ago, I know. Just saying, I mean, this- this thing... [autism] I just... fart... PBBBBTTTTTT. Sorry.
Null: I mean... I don't know... Mole... it seems like actually your kinda being disingenuous. Because I think you understand what actually happened, you understand why things didn't go as you wanted them to, but you don't really care.
Moleman: [Interrupting] I do- I know, and I understand that advice and it's not relevant to this right now.
Null: Well, it's the same kind of thing. The, the actions-*
Moleman: [Interrupting] I know- I know
Null: The actual problem on the board is that you are participating in these discussions and they become really out of hand really fast. So I want to know what you want to do about that.
Moleman: I want... to stop the comments from happening.
Null: But... just like with, with-with DeviantArt, as long as your around, and as long as your paying attention, they're going to come back under different names. Even if I do ban them. Which isn't in my best interests either.
Moleman: Why wouldn't it be in your best interests? Just asking.
Null: Because... we've been over this. Because when I do anything to them, they come after me. And it's really annoying.
Moleman: That-that's increasing reason TO blacklist them even more. That makes them disruptive to the board itself.
Null: If I was YOU that would be the case. But the thing is I know that if I do anything against them, they will be more motivated to be disruptive because they know they can get a rise out of me.
Moleman: But if they're being disruptions then you should ban them.
Null: What's that?
Moleman: If they are disruptive and they try to get a rise out of you on the board, that- that gives you reason as a runner of the board to ban them complete from this board.
Null: And even if I did that, they would then take the discussion to their board where I have no authority or ability to quell what they are saying. And they will organize something to harass me from there.
Moleman: [Failed interruptions]
Null: What's that?
Moleman: It's one less place they have the ability to do this.
Null: But it doesn't matter. As long as they have one place and they will always have at least one place, they will continue to do it. And they won't be inhibited.
Moleman: w-well what matters is how much attention that place, wherever they are, gets.
Null: No. Because all they care about is my response. And as long as I respond, they will have reason to keep doing it. Same thing with you. Doesn't matter what attention Willow gets from other people, as long as she gets attention from you, she will be content.
Moleman: A lot of what it is... what I'm bothered by is how other people are noticing this and being affected in how they view me by this, by the activity of the bullies. Like, other, like hapless people.
Null: You're saying that other people are joining her? Or...?
Moleman: I- I'm saying... it makes me look bad to other people, like to neutral parties. Like, when my name is looked up. And such.
Null: Yeah, and that's, that's a really, y'know, shitty thing to have happen... but.... the websites that you're name are associated with will die. For instance, Encyclopedia Dramatica recently died, and with it all the Googlebombing that happened on there-*
Moleman: [Interrupting] I've noticed that. I've noticed that.
Null: And... it's just something that happens with time. Over time these websites that are, y'know, testaments to your mistakes will drop because that's just-*
Moleman: Fine, I will, I will keep reminding myself of that, I guess. Karay (??) I-I've known that, I knew that Encyclopdia Dramatica was currently gone. Results.
Null: And that's because, again, these websites are managed by people who are very vicious. The people that ran Encyclopedia Dramatica took it down because there was infighting. People went after the administrators and the administrators got scared and they shut down everything. The-*
Moleman: [Interrupting] Wha-who-wh- What happened?
Null: There was infighting. Basically. Same thing with 888chan. 888chan was taken down because, um, there- there system admin was transsexual and when somebody posted something about transsexuals she or he got very very upset and they took down the board. But then they, y'know, re-hosted it as n0chan. Well with Encyclopedia Dramatica people found out some stuff about the admin and they went after him and he took down the board as well. These communities are very unstable. It's a part of what they are. If you just calm down and look after yourself they'll crumble over time. It's not like some big company, like MSN has this internally inscribed monolith to your fucking failures. It's- it's just little websites that don't like you that are trying to get a ruse out of you. And even if they show up on Google it's not going to last forever.
Moleman: [interrupting] That's... the forum... [unintelligible] it's how it comes across to me and how I thought about them, so it's good to, like, be with the thing as the latter, as I said [I have no fucking clue].
Null: Yeah... I mean... the best thing you can do is just not perpetuate it.
Moleman: Yeah... okay. Alright. Sorry. I guess... I guess we're done again.
Null: Yeah. Um. I mean. Good luck, and stuff. But...
Moleman: Thank you BYE.
Null: Yeah bye.
Moleman: Well I won't call you back now okay
Null: [Knowing laugh] Okay...
Moleman: Bye.
Null: Bye.

 

[DrChristianTroy]

Thanks Smutley!

 

[Arctic]

Where can you find the second call?

 

[José Mourinho]

Where can you find the second call?

Part 2

MP3 to Call

He followed up the first call within 10 minutes. I wanted to see how the first call received before posting it as well.

(BTW, if anyone can tell me what he says at 7:45, let me know. I didn't know how to react.)

 

[garbageraider]

Part 2

MP3 to Call

He followed up the first call within 10 minutes. I wanted to see how the first call received before posting it as well.

(BTW, if anyone can tell me what he says at 7:45, let me know. I didn't know how to react.)

I find Gabe's sense of entitlement amusing. He thinks that he should control everything that he wants, and always have his way. This reflects on his immaturity. Part of being an adult is realizing that there are things beyond your authority, and beyond your control. There are always going to be things that you want, but can't have. Gabe obviously doesn't understand this.

His hypocrisy is interesting as well. He is often rude to others, yet he regards even reasonable criticism of his work to be both criminal and offense. Even the best artists receive criticism of their work. With the shit-tier "art" that Gabe puts out, how could he not expect to attract negative attention? (autism?)

The best type of trolling is what has been happening to Gabe. Some arrogant, hypocritical and immature prick puts out shitty artwork, and reacts explosively to the criticism that he receives. As far as harm to Gabe, what have his trolls really done to him? He sits at home, comfortable and pampered, whining about how everybody on the internet won't obey him, praise him, and kiss his ass. Gabe doesn't even know what real suffering, discomfort, or pain is. His narcissism is incredible.

And to Null, or to anyone else who would try to talk some sense into Gabe, why even bother? He's been talked to again and again, and just doesn't get it. Like Chris Chan, he is a broken human being, someone with a horrible personality who is too stubborn to ever change. He will never accept reality. The logical thing to do at this point is just sit back and watch the show as it unfolds. (that's where I'll be)

 

[Bob's Fries]

@Null

You have a sexy voice.

 

[Marvin]

 

[Globe]

Man, it's like listening to the ABL calls. Null just calmly picks apart and destroys every stupid soundbyte the kid sticks to.

 

[DC 740]

Just to someone kinda new to Moleman and listening to these calls... How old is this person? They can't be past the age of eighteen... right?

 

[Bob's Fries]

Just to someone kinda new to Moleman and listening to these calls... How old is this person? They can't be past the age of eighteen... right?

He's 19 or 20 now.

 

[waffle]

HE sounds kind of like Chris with better enunciation.

Listening more, he even argues like Chris. He has no conception for the meaning of the words "must", "have", "authority" and loads of others...