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Are MauLer's videos too long?

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Lensherr

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It's in his EFAP on Ralph's Joker video, it's one of the first things they talk about.
IIRC, they did like it but Joker was the superior film and it was boring and Travis Bickle was unlikable.
I just finished listening to it, and my God their take on it was so basic bitch and surface-level.

The crux of their argument as to why it was subpar (at least in MauLer and Rags’ estimation) essentially boils down to the film not over-explaining itself and handing them a singular, definitive interpretation on a silver platter. Which is funny, because in the same stream they say that they liked The Lighthouse, which is similarly abstract.
 

Miller

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As for MauLer, I would really like to see him do an analysis of something like Mulholland Drive or Being John Malkovich, some Terrence Mallick stuff perhaps.
Something that can't just be judged based on script and plot holes and such and is a completely different experience from a formulaic movie like he's used to.
MauLer only watches Marvel capeshit and Star Wars.
The other EFAP guy, Jay (or whatever tranny name he uses now) has never watched 2001, The Godfather, Spaceballs (he said that it's too old) or even Lord of the Rings. They had a running joke on EFAP, they would ask him if he has ever seen [insert name of a movie] and he would always say no.
 

biscuitscilia

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I just finished listening to it, and my God their take on it was so basic bitch and surface-level.

The crux of their argument as to why it was subpar (at least in MauLer and Rags’ estimation) essentially boils down to the film not over-explaining itself and handing them a singular, definitive interpretation on a silver platter. Which is funny, because in the same stream they say that they liked The Lighthouse, which is similarly abstract.
I couldn't take Mauler seriously as a critic after that. Hearing him call for things in a movie to be more obvious because he's either too stupid or too lazy to pay attention was insulting. It's actually funny when you consider his whole shtick revolves around writing and he literally needs baby dialogue to explain to him how he should feel about the movie.
What's even more ironic is that's the sentiment his fans had towards Glib and PSA during their Phantom Menace debate.
They have no self-awareness.
MauLer only watches Marvel capeshit and Star Wars.
The other EFAP guy, Jay (or whatever tranny name he uses now) has never watched 2001, The Godfather, Spaceballs (he said that it's too old) or even Lord of the Rings. They had a running joke on EFAP, they would ask him if he has ever seen [insert name of a movie] and he would always say no.
Did he actually say it's too old?
I'm legitimately shocked that people look at these faggots as an actual authority on film when all they talk about is capeshit. They're like what RedLetterMedia parodies in the Nerd Crew but edgier and pretending like they're above consoomers.
 

Raging Capybara

True & Honest Fan
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I remember my interest in cinema started some years ago while I visited a subforum about movies in one forum that doesn't exist anymore (and it was in my mother language so you obviously would have never heard about it).

Those guys were living encyclopedias about films. I remember one in particular who used a godfather avatar, he had watched the complete Ozu filmography, a fairly obscure Japanese director who, unlike Kurosawa, was never popular in the west. This was just one guy, the others were just as knowledgeable about films. And films from everywhere!

Do you know Oldboy? Of course, everyone loves the Korean Cinema nowadays. But back in 2004, it was an extremely niche stuff. But it didn't stop the people from this forum to discuss fucking Oldboy in just two or three years after the release of the film.

And everyone was so polite (I'm lying, some arguments were very nasty, but nothing that compares to internet drama we follow here). I'm just saddened that right now, thousands of people are having they cinema discovery through some assholes like Mauler and his sycophants, A bunch of morons that have a bizarre pride from not watching films at all!
 

PenguinSuitAlice

Frosty Witch of Mad Fancy
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I'm legitimately shocked that people look at these faggots as an actual authority on film when all they talk about is capeshit. They're like what RedLetterMedia parodies in the Nerd Crew but edgier and pretending like they're above consoomers.
I doubt it would happen, but imagine if RLM did a parody podcast making fun of EFAP or the Fandom Menace types. I sure Mike or Rich would not have any great love for them. The problem is that in order for it to or a proper parody, it would be have to be 4 hours at least, and it would be hard to stay in character that long. Imagine the sheer amount of salt it would produce when their idols turn on them and expose them as a joke.
 

Duncan Hills Coffee

Whaddya mean booze ain't food?!
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And everyone was so polite (I'm lying, some arguments were very nasty, but nothing that compares to internet drama we follow here). I'm just saddened that right now, thousands of people are having they cinema discovery through some assholes like Mauler and his sycophants, A bunch of morons that have a bizarre pride from not watching films at all!
You and me both man. What's unfortunate is that now, there are thousands of people who will probably watch EFAP's assessment on Taxi Driver and just blindly assume that it's a mediocre movie. And that's just wrong, because Taxi Driver is a bold movie and one that requires you to actually think about the themes and what it means underneath all the grime and Travis' own warped perceptions. But since it's more ambiguous than Joker and doesn't just hand you the meaning on a silver platter, it's automatically bad in the eyes of MauLer and co. I liked Joker, it was one of my favorite movies of last year, but even I'll admit it's baby's first Scorsese, and MauLer unwittingly admitted he's not mature enough as a filmgoer to enjoy the real thing.

Not to mention their insane bias against older cinema in general. Just because it's old doesn't mean it's outdated. I get frustrated with regular people who refuse to watch older movies on the basis that they're old, but EFAP takes it to a new level because they're trying to present themselves as cinephiles who understand the art of filmmaking, and yet they won't watch anything that's older than they are, which also excludes them from decades of excellent films. Spaceballs may be "old", but it's still hilarious.
 

biscuitscilia

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You and me both man. What's unfortunate is that now, there are thousands of people who will probably watch EFAP's assessment on Taxi Driver and just blindly assume that it's a mediocre movie. And that's just wrong, because Taxi Driver is a bold movie and one that requires you to actually think about the themes and what it means underneath all the grime and Travis' own warped perceptions. But since it's more ambiguous than Joker and doesn't just hand you the meaning on a silver platter, it's automatically bad in the eyes of MauLer and co. I liked Joker, it was one of my favorite movies of last year, but even I'll admit it's baby's first Scorsese, and MauLer unwittingly admitted he's not mature enough as a filmgoer to enjoy the real thing.
He needed scenes where Travis gets beaten up so he can understand how to feel about him. A character can't be grey, he has to be black or white. Anything else is too hard for him.

Not to mention their insane bias against older cinema in general. Just because it's old doesn't mean it's outdated. I get frustrated with regular people who refuse to watch older movies on the basis that they're old, but EFAP takes it to a new level because they're trying to present themselves as cinephiles who understand the art of filmmaking, and yet they won't watch anything that's older than they are, which also excludes them from decades of excellent films. Spaceballs may be "old", but it's still hilarious.
What makes it even worse is how they talk down and attack people on EFAP and Twitter who clearly know more about films than they do.
 

Duncan Hills Coffee

Whaddya mean booze ain't food?!
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He needed scenes where Travis gets beaten up so he can understand how to feel about him. A character can't be grey, he has to be black or white. Anything else is too hard for him
You mean the opening scenes weren't enough? The beginning that displayed his crippling loneliness, his obvious mental illness, and complete lack of social graces? Those scenes do a good job garnering a mix of sympathy and pity for him because he's clearly not well. The scenes where he starts to lose it and desires violence? That's up to you. And that's the beauty of Travis as a character. He's not without sympathetic qualities and there are people in the movie worse than him, but he's also an unstable individual. MauLer not understanding how to feel about Travis is the point, but since it's entirely up to interpretation and doesn't appeal to his bullshit "objective qualities" then he rejects it.
 

Raging Capybara

True & Honest Fan
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Mauler doesn't like Taxi Driver because he watched it ready to hate it, just like everything else.

And he "likes" Joker only because it triggered the libs, he obviously would not give a fuck about the film if not because of the fabricated controversy around it.

Mauler is an obese and stupid lolcow. He doesn't like movies, he doesn't even enjoy them. His only passion is petty drama.
 

Idiotron

The last sane person on Earth
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I went to efap.me and saw 2 things:

1. The total EFAP time is 791 hours as I'm typing this... Jesus fucking Christ.

2. I had a look at "EFAP approved movies".
Check this amazing list out:
- Alien/Aliens
- Avengers: Infinity War
- Captain America: Civil War
- The Departed
- The Grey
- Iron Man
- John Wick
- Joker
- Jurassic Park
- LOTR trilogy
- Mission Impossible: Fallout
- Parasite
- Predator
- The Prestige
- Star Wars OT
- Terminator 1&2
Nothing wrong with these movies, they're fine entertainment, but this is the most "basic bitch cinema" list I've seen from any Youtuber.
I've got a friend who grew up in an orthodox Muslim family and has only really started watching movies 2 years ago, the movies on that list are the kind of stuff I recommended to him during the first 6 months, the gateway drug to more advanced stuff.
Parasite is only there because it was popular, it sticks out like a sore thumb.
It's the list's equivalent of a diversity hire, only there to make them seem more cultured ("See? We don't only watch big Hollywood movies, we see deep foreign stuff too.").

Maybe I wrote this on KF already but at the very least, MovieBob has seen shit.
He introduced me to a lot of stuff, good and bad.
MauLer has introduced me to nothing.
If he has seen a movie/show or played a video game, it was popular before he did.
If it's not, he won't even bother.
791 hours of babbling about movies and it's all basic bitch popular shit.
Literally every other Youtuber has talked about something small that nobody else really had... not MauLer though, he only talks about the cinematic equivalent of corporate fast food, that's why he cries about the "death of cinema" because Star Wars/Jurassic Park/MCU/Terminator are bad in the current year.
Over 3000 movies come out every year but according to people like MauLer, cinema is dead because 10 of them suck.
 

biscuitscilia

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You mean the opening scenes weren't enough? The beginning that displayed his crippling loneliness, his obvious mental illness, and complete lack of social graces? Those scenes do a good job garnering a mix of sympathy and pity for him because he's clearly not well. The scenes where he starts to lose it and desires violence? That's up to you. And that's the beauty of Travis as a character. He's not without sympathetic qualities and there are people in the movie worse than him, but he's also an unstable individual. MauLer not understanding how to feel about Travis is the point, but since it's entirely up to interpretation and doesn't appeal to his bullshit "objective qualities" then he rejects it.
For Mauler, the film literally needs to explain the plot to him at all times.
Dialogue needs to state the themes, but only implement themes he agrees with.
The visual story telling needs to be as blatant as possible, there can be no symbolism because that's pretentious.
You also need the character to always be morally right, he cannot be questionable at all because then that's inconsistent writing.
This is what Mauler considers great writing. Even though everything listed above is often a sign of bad writing.
Take from that what you will.

Mauler doesn't like Taxi Driver because he watched it ready to hate it, just like everything else.

And he "likes" Joker only because it triggered the libs, he obviously would not give a fuck about the film if not because of the fabricated controversy around it.

Mauler is an obese and stupid lolcow. He doesn't like movies, he doesn't even enjoy them. His only passion is petty drama.
It's very obvious he only watched Taxi Driver because people kept comparing Joker to it, and most likely didn't even know the film existed until the comparisons with Joker started. He only watched it so he can dispel the comparisons, even though Joker blatantly lifts entire ideas, themes, and even some scenes from Taxi Driver and King of Comedy.
 

ColdOnes

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I went to efap.me and saw 2 things:

1. The total EFAP time is 791 hours as I'm typing this... Jesus fucking Christ.

2. I had a look at "EFAP approved movies".
Check this amazing list out:
- Alien/Aliens
- Avengers: Infinity War
- Captain America: Civil War
- The Departed
- The Grey
- Iron Man
- John Wick
- Joker
- Jurassic Park
- LOTR trilogy
- Mission Impossible: Fallout
- Parasite
- Predator
- The Prestige
- Star Wars OT
- Terminator 1&2
Nothing wrong with these movies, they're fine entertainment, but this is the most "basic bitch cinema" list I've seen from any Youtuber.
I've got a friend who grew up in an orthodox Muslim family and has only really started watching movies 2 years ago, the movies on that list are the kind of stuff I recommended to him during the first 6 months, the gateway drug to more advanced stuff.
Parasite is only there because it was popular, it sticks out like a sore thumb.
It's the list's equivalent of a diversity hire, only there to make them seem more cultured ("See? We don't only watch big Hollywood movies, we see deep foreign stuff too.").

Maybe I wrote this on KF already but at the very least, MovieBob has seen shit.
He introduced me to a lot of stuff, good and bad.
MauLer has introduced me to nothing.
If he has seen a movie/show or played a video game, it was popular before he did.
If it's not, he won't even bother.
791 hours of babbling about movies and it's all basic bitch popular shit.
Literally every other Youtuber has talked about something small that nobody else really had... not MauLer though, he only talks about the cinematic equivalent of corporate fast food, that's why he cries about the "death of cinema" because Star Wars/Jurassic Park/MCU/Terminator are bad in the current year.
Over 3000 movies come out every year but according to people like MauLer, cinema is dead because 10 of them suck.
The list is so bad even r/movies would make fun of it. I'm not asking MauLer to have the tastes of a film scholar, but this guy somehow thinks he has good authority to talk about movies. For a guy who loves to proclaim cinema is dead, he has missed out a century worth of movies. I have my grievances on the state of movies in the current year, but I don't base my perspectives solely on Hollywood. I wouldn't be surprised if MauLer is the type of person to struggle to sit through a black and white movie.
 

PenguinSuitAlice

Frosty Witch of Mad Fancy
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For Mauler, the film literally needs to explain the plot to him at all times.
Dialogue needs to state the themes, but only implement themes he agrees with.
The visual story telling needs to be as blatant as possible, there can be no symbolism because that's pretentious.
You also need the character to always be morally right, he cannot be questionable at all because then that's inconsistent writing.
This is what Mauler considers great writing. Even though everything listed above is often a sign of bad writing.
Take from that what you will.
What I take from this is that movies are just scripts with visuals and actors attached. I really think he doesn't actually think that the script is the only sign of objective quality in the movie, but it's the only thing he knows how to criticize without looking like a complete layman.
 
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BR55

kiwifarms.net
I went to efap.me and saw 2 things:

1. The total EFAP time is 791 hours as I'm typing this... Jesus fucking Christ.

2. I had a look at "EFAP approved movies".
Check this amazing list out:
- Alien/Aliens
- Avengers: Infinity War
- Captain America: Civil War
- The Departed
- The Grey
- Iron Man
- John Wick
- Joker
- Jurassic Park
- LOTR trilogy
- Mission Impossible: Fallout
- Parasite
- Predator
- The Prestige
- Star Wars OT
- Terminator 1&2
Nothing wrong with these movies, they're fine entertainment, but this is the most "basic bitch cinema" list I've seen from any Youtuber.
I've got a friend who grew up in an orthodox Muslim family and has only really started watching movies 2 years ago, the movies on that list are the kind of stuff I recommended to him during the first 6 months, the gateway drug to more advanced stuff.
Parasite is only there because it was popular, it sticks out like a sore thumb.
It's the list's equivalent of a diversity hire, only there to make them seem more cultured ("See? We don't only watch big Hollywood movies, we see deep foreign stuff too.").

Maybe I wrote this on KF already but at the very least, MovieBob has seen shit.
He introduced me to a lot of stuff, good and bad.
MauLer has introduced me to nothing.
If he has seen a movie/show or played a video game, it was popular before he did.
If it's not, he won't even bother.
791 hours of babbling about movies and it's all basic bitch popular shit.
Literally every other Youtuber has talked about something small that nobody else really had... not MauLer though, he only talks about the cinematic equivalent of corporate fast food, that's why he cries about the "death of cinema" because Star Wars/Jurassic Park/MCU/Terminator are bad in the current year.
Over 3000 movies come out every year but according to people like MauLer, cinema is dead because 10 of them suck.
That is the most basic bitch, normie film list I've seen in my life.
Also "EFAP approved movies" how pretentious can you get?
Here's the thing though that kind of taste in movies would be perfectly fine if Mauler and Co just owned it.
My taste in films isn't much more sophisticated than Maluer's but that's because I'm not really a movie buff and books and video games are what I'm really into.
There nothing wrong with enjoying a simple blockbuster and you don't have to exclusively watch fart huffing arthouse fare to enjoy cinema.
It's only when you claim that Avengers: Infinity War is the pinnacle of film that people start looking at you funny.
 

Draza

True & Honest Fan
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That is the most basic bitch, normie film list I've seen in my life.
Also "EFAP approved movies" how pretentious can you get?
Here's the thing though that kind of taste in movies would be perfectly fine if Mauler and Co just owned it.
My taste in films isn't much more sophisticated than Maluer's but that's because I'm not really a movie buff and books and video games are what I'm really into.
There nothing wrong with enjoying a simple blockbuster and you don't have to exclusively watch fart huffing arthouse fare to enjoy cinema.
It's only when you claim that Avengers: Infinity War is the pinnacle of film that people start looking at you funny.
Iron Man, John Wick, Captain America: Civil War, Mission Impossible, Avengers,and Joker?

I mean c'mon man. Are you not trying to be taken seriously as a movie critic?
 

DisaffectedDude

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He doesn't say that exactly, but he does call it an obscure film. It's mentioned somewhere in EFAP #2 - "SHUT UP ABOUT PLOT HOLES" and "We need to talk about Film Criticism"
Patrick Willems brings it up and at one point and Mauler says something along the lines of "He's choosing an obscure movie to reference, I've never heard of it before...Why don't you talk about something people have actually seen?" I can't find the exact quote in the EFAP since it's long as heck, but I do remember them not actually responding to the point being made and instead choosing to mock his movie example.

Ignoring how Birdman was nominated for 9 oscars, winning 4 of them (Best Picture, Screenplay, Director, and Cinematography) and that it was among the top 75 grossing films (#73) worldwide in 2014 - Mauler and the crew are still mouthbreathing idiots. Because regardless of whether or not a person had seen Birdman, Patrick explained the reference so everyone could understand it. Like, it was 'This reminds me of <insert character name> from Birdman, who <insert explanation of who the character was and what they did in that film>. It's just because they pause the film every 5 seconds and have subpar critical thinking & comprehension it slipped past them.

I don't know what's worse, how normie-nerd tier their taste is or the fact they call it 'Approved Movies'. THESE HAVE ALL PAST THE OBJECTIVE CRITIQUE STANDARD!

I think it would be far more useful if each of the main EFAP people, and maybe even guests who have essentially become fairly regular,would provide a list of their top 10 or 20 favorite films of all time. Give people a sense of their taste so they know what biases/preferences they each have! They can even label these lists their 'subjective film reccomendations' versus the 'approved list' which is objective.



Sidenote: (UNRELATED RANT)
There's a huge difference between Star Wars and Game of Thrones. Star Wars is a huge franchise that has books, games, films, tv shows etc. for people to latch onto and talk about and has been a cultural touchstone for several decades. Game of Thrones really just has the TV show and the Books - one of which started going sour in Season 4 for book fans and then crashing in Season 7-8 for normies, and the other being essentially up in the air until evil santa finishes writing the 6th and 7th book (just give me Winds you fatfuck).

Also, there was universal agreement generally that the 8th season was bad. Book fans have known it was bad for a while, and were trying to warn since S4 or S5, but both Book and Show fans were pretty unanimous in disliking season 8. I have only seen one contrarian claim S8 was good, and I can't tell if he's even serious. So, there isn't much to talk about after the first couple of weeks when everyone is on the same page. TLJ on the otherhand has lovers and haters and lukewarmers (me). There was no clear consensus so debate still goes on. TLJ debate is also part StarWars fans in disagreement as well as (probably larger) part CULTURE WAR.

There's still the odd reference to GOT by normies, but crashing and burning the way it did is kind of a conversation stopper - unless George finishes the books!
 

buying gf

kiwifarms.net
and the other being essentially up in the air until evil santa finishes writing the 6th and 7th book (just give me Winds you fatfuck).
Firstly, :optimistic::optimistic::optimistic:

TLJ on the otherhand has lovers and haters and lukewarmers (me). There was no clear consensus so debate still goes on.
Secondly, is the debate still going on? Obviously people like Mauler keep bringing it up to desperately try to recapture what made him e-famous, but have there been any videos on the 'pro-TLJ' side made in the past year or so? I seem to recall most of the videos about TLJ featured on EFAP were made in 2018 (you know, when the movie was new and relevant).
 

DisaffectedDude

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Secondly, is the debate still going on? Obviously people like Mauler keep bringing it up to desperately try to recapture what made him e-famous, but have there been any videos on the 'pro-TLJ' side made in the past year or so? I seem to recall most of the videos about TLJ featured on EFAP were made in 2018 (you know, when the movie was new and relevant).

I guess that was a poor choice words, on my part. There was no consensus on the quality of the film, so there is still room for conversation amongst people who still give a shit! Whereas there's much less room for a conversation when there was a consensus on the quality.

Obviously the people still talking about GOT, Captain Marvel, TLJ or whatever else are either huge nerds of that particular fandom who engage in needless bickering online as apart of their daily routine (guilty), or culture warriors who have nothing else to talk about because COVID has prevented them from having new blockbusters for which to juxtapose their political identity (see: Tim Pool making 5000 videos about Captain Marvel, when he's allegedly a real honest to god journalist)
 

Clorox Cowboy

Still here? You sure do have a lot of time on your
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I think it would be far more useful if each of the main EFAP people, and maybe even guests who have essentially become fairly regular,would provide a list of their top 10 or 20 favorite films of all time. Give people a sense of their taste so they know what biases/preferences they each have! They can even label these lists their 'subjective film recommendations' versus the 'approved list' which is objective.
I've been wishing for a while Mauler at the very least would open up a/share his IMDB account, not only would it give a better sense of the scope of what he's seen, but also as you've said be helpful for seeing what he finds objectively good vs subjectively good with the list features.
 

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