Culture Canadian Professor Argues that Diversity Harms Social Trust - Op-ed was deleted from newspaper's website and replaced with apology

Does Diversity Harm Social Trust and Economic Wellbeing?


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Singapore is an example of a multicultural society that actually functions. But the only way it does so is with a level of authoritarianism that Westerners would never accept.
Exactly. Lee Kuan Yew basically argued that a democratic multicultural society is impossible in the long run because every interest group will politic as a faction, and result in a breakdown: the Chinese vote for the Chinese party, the British for the British party, the Malays for the Malay party. The Singaporean dictatorship (basically a one-party democracy) prevents that from happening.

Hoppe has a similar argument, and there's been empirical economic research that shows that if you have diverse groups in a situation, they will naturally and inevitably adopt a warlike stance towards each other that destroys wealth.
 

SilkGnut

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Remember when the big take away from World War I was that multiethnic states were doomed to fail in fire and that national self determination was a striving principle?

Pepperidge farm remembers.
Nobody remembers ANYTHING about World War I. It is fucking fascinating, until I started purposely seeking info on the war I did not realize how buried the damned thing was.

There was a looooot of blowback once people started hearing what the soldiers had to say.
 

Slap47

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Diversity works when people are working towards a common civic ideal.

The Romans spread civilization, the Americans preach liberty and profits, the Russians spread slavicism with cheap spirits.

What exactly does Europe offer? Its a mess of nation-states that define their nation by their ethnic groups. Diversity is inherently antithetical to their nations foundings ideals.
 

Liber Pater

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Singapore is an example of a multicultural society that actually functions. But the only way it does so is with a level of authoritarianism that Westerners would never accept.
A society can fulfill (at most) two of the following three ideals:
1. Democracy
2. Stability
3. Diversity

Singapore chose the second and third values over the first. Iraq and Libya both followed this path for a period of time, but in the aftermath of their respective "liberations" and "democratizations," they lost sight of the second value entirely. South Africa is another example of this.
It's not a coincidence that essentially all of mankind's accomplished, long-lasting cosmopolitan civilizations (e.g. Romans, Persians, Mongols, Ottomans, Arab caliphates, etc) were empires/autocracies in some form or another.
 
I'm going to try to make a sort of axiomatic argument as to why diversity undermines public happiness/
A society can fulfill (at most) two of the following three ideals:
1. Democracy
2. Stability
3. Diversity

Singapore chose the second and third values over the first. Iraq and Libya both followed this path for a period of time, but in the aftermath of their respective "liberations" and "democratizations," they lost sight of the second value entirely. South Africa is another example of this.
It's not a coincidence that essentially all of mankind's accomplished, long-lasting cosmopolitan civilizations (e.g. Romans, Persians, Mongols, Ottomans, Arab caliphates, etc) were empires/autocracies in some form or another.
Iraq was never "stable" for anybody but the Baathists. Being Shiite/Kurdish meant being oppressed or slated for death. Likewise with South Africa and the Blacks. They were diverse but they didn't have any sort of value for diversity, they repressed their peoples.
 

Liber Pater

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Iraq was never "stable" for anybody but the Baathists. Being Shiite/Kurdish meant being oppressed or slated for death.
That repression was the only reason why the country could remain united and functionally stable to begin with. I mean "stable" in the sense of law and order (stability =/= the absence of oppression nor the absence of the threat of violence), which Saddam maintained by using force against Kurdish leaders and the ayatollahs when either group made moves towards separatism and/or insurgency.
Generally speaking, Saddam's government used a heavy hand in its dealings with all groups in the country (including other Tikriti Sunnis, as evidenced by Saddam's frequent purges of his predominantly-Sunni inner circle). Shi'ite political/religious leaders were so frequently targeted because, as the country's majority group (and the group which formerly comprised a majority of the Ba'athist party itself), they would have otherwise dominated the country at the expense of the Sunni minority (as they do now).
Everyday Shi'ites were not being rounded up or targeted by roving bands of terrorists (as would happen to many civilians after the regime's collapse) purely on the basis of their religion. Rather, dissidents (most of them Shi'ite or Kurdish) and rival political figures as a whole were targeted with violence, while the government tried to promote a national, non-sectarian identity to unify the country. In other words, the population as a whole experienced the benefits of law, order, functional government services, and the absence of all-consuming civil war, but also suffered from a lack of politial freedom and the threat of violence.
 
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Vancouver Sun editor-in-chief Harold Munro said:
"We apologize for the publication of the article. We are reviewing our local workflow and editorial processes to ensure greater oversight and accountability so that this does not happen again."
What a spineless editor-in-chief Harold Munro is. Go plow snow you fucking faggot, you should never apologize for publishing anything that required effort.

If you really dislike an article or opinion then go and pen a counter-article and prove the professor wrong. It's literally your job.
 

BoingBoingBoi

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Hecht specializes in studying biogeography — or the distribution of flora and fauna — according to his bio on the university's website. He's taught at the university for 11 years and has self-published a book titled The Rules of Invasion: Why Europeans Naturally Invaded The New World.
so he's a biogeography professor with a self-published book on an edgy topic vaguely related to his op-ed piece. why on earth would they have published this piece in the first place? i wonder if they didn't read it and just saw "professor" and ran with it, only to find out these details after the fact. journalism at its best, folks
 

Exigent Circumcisions

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Oh he was firmly speaking from the point of view that white teachers and students unconsciously oppress their minority students and classmates
Canada's multicultural policy is racist and oppressive to our ethnic minorities and the people I've met who vociferously defend it are definitely doing so from that standpoint. I'd argue that it's only unconscious in the sense that they're incapable of understanding or accepting the consequences of their beliefs.

The idea that it's too burdensome for an ethnic minority to learn Canadian norms and assimilate comfortably fits the standard definition of racism, not the woke definition that's come into vogue in the last few years. Some people will flip out when that's pointed out to them in plain language and I'm pretty comfortable stating that they're racist. Racism doesn't particularly bother me, but it's funny to see people tie themselves into knots trying to justify it.
 

Save the Loli

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China has 55 seperate ethnic groups with the largest being only 40% of the populace. Manchurian.
China is seen as not having ethnic problems because everyone is equally oppressed.
The Manchu are culturally Han Chinese now. Han Chinese make up 92% of China's population and even though they speak a very diverse set of languages have a common culture and identity.
Exactly. Lee Kuan Yew basically argued that a democratic multicultural society is impossible in the long run because every interest group will politic as a faction, and result in a breakdown: the Chinese vote for the Chinese party, the British for the British party, the Malays for the Malay party. The Singaporean dictatorship (basically a one-party democracy) prevents that from happening.

Hoppe has a similar argument, and there's been empirical economic research that shows that if you have diverse groups in a situation, they will naturally and inevitably adopt a warlike stance towards each other that destroys wealth.
Yeah, look at India where entire political parties form on caste and ethnic lines and facilitate political corruption. The term is "votebank" there. Africa is another great example of this although usually one party/electoral alliance (dominated by one ethnic group) dominates in a defacto one party state.
 

Homoerotic Cougar-kun

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Interesting thing about diversity. Maybe a bit of a tangent.

Want to know what the most diverse biospheres on Earth tend to be? The fucking balls-to-the-wall nasty ones. Biodiversity correlates powerfully with how hard it is to get by in any given environment. In very fertile, resource-rich and stable environments biodiversity tapers off sharply.

Related to human diversity? Maybe. Maybe not. Just funny to think about.
 

pwnest injun

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It's long been understood that the more diverse a population is, the lower social trust becomes, and therefor, the fewer freedoms are acknowledged.

That said, I wonder if all of the Diversity people became Authoritarians out of the desire to push their agenda, or if all of the Authoritarians became Diversity people out of the desire to push their agenda?
 

Freedom Fries

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China has 55 seperate ethnic groups with the largest being only 40% of the populace. Manchurian.
China is seen as not having ethnic problems because everyone is equally oppressed.
That's like calling people on the east coast and people on the west coast or people in the north and people in the south different ethnicities. At very very very best it's like calling the French, German, and Swiss different ethnicities. China is over 90% Han, and while different regions have different flavors, they aren't different ethnic groups.
 
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